Kings Select Danilo Gallinari? back to the Euros! ! !

[sactownfan]

Danilo Gallinari huh? on ESPN'S latest mock draft they got us taking this guy...

#1 Trade Artest for a PG/PF along with a late 1st round pick...
#2 Draft Danilo Gallinari SF with the 12th pick
#3 Draft a PF with our late 1st... Darrell Arthur? DeAndre Jordan? Hasheem Thabeet?
#4 Salmons is the starter for the whole season. Really get his trade value up. then trade him at the end of the year for another pick or player?
#5 Sign a Big time FA and contend again ! ! ! ? ? ?

a SF? wow this wouldn't surprise me after the hold out for Linas Kleiza. This would mean Artest is out. and we would trade Artest for a PG or PF and a pick instead of drafting one. Although this draft is full of PG's and PF's its not that deep with talent... alot of projects in this draft. I'd love to see D.J. Augustin here and that might happen if we (cross your fingers) beat out INDY for the 11th spot. but if.... not why not take the best SF in the Draft?

Petrie does love the Euros ! ! !

 

[Dime Dropper]

Danilo Gallinari huh? on ESPN'S latest mock draft they got us taking this guy...

#1 Trade Artest for a PG/PF along with a late 1st round pick...
#2 Draft Danilo Gallinari SF with the 12th pick
#3 Draft a PF with our late 1st... Darrell Arthur? DeAndre Jordan? Hasheem Thabeet?
#4 Salmons is the starter for the whole season. Really get his trade value up. then trade him at the end of the year for another pick or player?
#5 Sign a Big time FA and contend again ! ! ! ? ? ?

a SF? wow this wouldn't surprise me after the hold out for Linas Kleiza. This would mean Artest is out. and we would trade Artest for a PG or PF and a pick instead of drafting one. Although this draft is full of PG's and PF's its not that deep with talent... alot of projects in this draft. I'd love to see D.J. Augustin here and that might happen if we (cross your fingers) beat out INDY for the 11th spot. but if.... not why not take the best SF in the Draft?

Petrie does love the Euros ! ! !

1. Nobody would trade a late first rounder for Ron, let alone with a decent PG or PF.
2. He probably won't be available.
3. Neither Arthur nor Jordan have even the slightest chance of being available with a late first. Thabeet probably won't last that long either, and he is a C not a PF.
4. So your going to start Salmons over Gallinari in a losing season when we need to develop our youngsters? Riiight. Gallinari will be better than Salmons. No one will give a first rounder for John.
5. It's not that easy. I think it'll be a couple seasons after '10 before we're relevant again. This rebuilding thing takes a while, you know? People think we'll magically get good... not going to get happen until we bite the bullet and get a top 3 pick. We need to stop the pointless MLE signings and trade our vets while we can (Artest, maybe Miller etc.).

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

1) Mock drafts don't necessarily determine who we pick; at this stage of the game, it goes by talent level, not by team needs.

2) That being said, I still can Petrie taking a long look at Gallinari (even though I would strongly disapprove of it). There are some GMs out there who do believe he can become the next Peja Stojakovic...and considering that Stojakovic made his name with us, and I wouldn't at all be surprised if Petrie showed interest in Gallanari, especially considering his penchance for drafting shooters/offensive players.

3) Gallinari is the best international draft prospect in the 2008 draft and there's a great chance he'll fall into where we're drafting (#10-14 range). I actually have to clarify my comment in #2 though, he's not exactly Stojakovic...but that's what he may be perceived to be. He actually is a do-it-all offensive player who can slash, play in transition, hit spot-up shots and shoot threes with some level of decency, but at the NBA level, he'll probably need to find a bread-and-butter offensive move because he's not incredibly proficient at anything. That's not necessarily a bad thing though because he definitely has a diversified offenisve package, added on to nice athleticism that would help him mesh in the NBA. Again, questions about the rebounding and defense though...two of the greatest things we need, and we're neglecting them if we're drafting Gallinari.

 

[Gary]

LAte 1st round picks are a dime a dozen. Even this year. Artest (if he says he wont opt out) is worth more than a late first pick. But I think the draft happens before he declares whether or not he's staying.

Late first pick the only player possibly available is Thabeet but I have a feeling he might be headed back to UCONN. He has actually dropped in draft value after his second year, and he still remains undecided.

 

[ParniValjak]

I said it before and I will say it again, Danilo Gallinari is exactly the type of player that Petrie would pick. If he is available but I very much doubt it.

 

[Vlade4GM]

LAte 1st round picks are a dime a dozen. Even this year. Artest (if he says he wont opt out) is worth more than a late first pick. But I think the draft happens before he declares whether or not he's staying.

Late first pick the only player possibly available is Thabeet but I have a feeling he might be headed back to UCONN. He has actually dropped in draft value after his second year, and he still remains undecided.

Yea, we can't trade Artest before his opt out date thingy unless he allows it.

 

[DocHolliday]

Yea, we can't trade Artest before his opt out date thingy unless he allows it.

I believe no one can talk contracts or trades until July 1st, or 2nd, whatever the date is, and Artest has to opt in or out at that time. So, you can't even talk trades. Artest does not have a no trade clause, so as long as he's under contract, and it is a time when contracts or trades can be talked about, the Kings can trade him without his consent.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I believe no one can talk contracts or trades until July 1st, or 2nd, whatever the date is, and Artest has to opt in or out at that time. So, you can't even talk trades. Artest does not have a no trade clause, so as long as he's under contract, and it is a time when contracts or trades can be talked about, the Kings can trade him without his consent.

I'm pretty sure teams can discuss trades once the season is over and they're not in the playoffs. They definitely have time before the draft to discuss deals, I know that much and they can make deals on draft night which is before the date in which players with opt outs have to decide on their deals. When players have outstanding options on their contract the can't be traded unless they consent to it (I'm not sure if that means they waive their opt out clause or not).

 

[Gary]

I said it before and I will say it again, Danilo Gallinari is exactly the type of player that Petrie would pick. If he is available but I very much doubt it.

He wont be available after leapfrogging Batum in the Euro leagues. Batum hasn't done very well.. Something like 9ppg 3rpg 2apg.. In limited minutes though... Anyhow I have Gallinari going to the Bucks with the 7th pick. He's the first SF/SG in my mock draft to be drafted. It's possible he goes to the Clippers at either 5 or 6 (whichever they land at), but I have Gordon going to them.

 

[vfettke]

my idea i had earlier:

We draft Gallinari, who could be great. He gives us way too many wings. So we trade Artest and Douby to the Warriors for Brandan Wright and Al Harrington. They have a trade exception too, but I think they want the cap space to resign Davis.

Why we do it:
B. Wright has potential to be the PF we really need. Harrington will be an expiring. No more Ron. Simple really.

Why we don't:
Uhh, we'll miss Ron?

Why the Warriors do it:
Before "he who shall remain nameless" was hired Don Nelson was interested in the job. He said he would love to coach Artest. Artest would be the perfect PF in Nelly's system. Douby plays really well in that style

Why they don't:
Ron Artest. Mullin might be hesitant to partner Captain Crazy with Captain Jack again. However, I have a feeling Nelly would push for it if it were offered, and because of the system Nelly's team plays, he gets a little extra say in their personnel decisions. Also, even if it turns out bad Ron's just a one year rental.

If we have to we can sweeten the pot with a 2nd round pick since we have two.

Our lineup then looks like this:

PG: Beno/Garcia/2nd Rounder?
SG: Martin/Garcia/Salmons
SF: Salmons/Gallinari (although Gallinari has potential to be a starter)
PF: Wright/Williams/Moore
C: Miller/Hawes/Moore

Start Hawes at center even. Then we have a core of about 7-8 youngsters to build around. We have our two good vets, Miller and Moore. And in a couple years we get some big contracts off the books. While we wait for K-9, SAR, and Miller's contracts to expire this young core can start to become a team. They'll get the chance to learn from Reggie, which is one of his big strengths in my opinion; he can teach a young team and they'll listen. When those contracts expire Petrie can start picking up some bench/role players or make a move on some big name player.

 

[BMiller52]

my idea i had earlier:

We draft Gallinari, who could be great. He gives us way too many wings. So we trade Artest and Douby to the Warriors for Brandan Wright and Al Harrington. They have a trade exception too, but I think they want the cap space to resign Davis.

Why we do it:
B. Wright has potential to be the PF we really need. Harrington will be an expiring. No more Ron. Simple really.

Why we don't:
Uhh, we'll miss Ron?

Why the Warriors do it:
Before "he who shall remain nameless" was hired Don Nelson was interested in the job. He said he would love to coach Artest. Artest would be the perfect PF in Nelly's system. Douby plays really well in that style

Why they don't:
Ron Artest. Mullin might be hesitant to partner Captain Crazy with Captain Jack again. However, I have a feeling Nelly would push for it if it were offered, and because of the system Nelly's team plays, he gets a little extra say in their personnel decisions. Also, even if it turns out bad Ron's just a one year rental.

If we have to we can sweeten the pot with a 2nd round pick since we have two.

Our lineup then looks like this:

PG: Beno/Garcia/2nd Rounder?
SG: Martin/Garcia/Salmons
SF: Salmons/Gallinari (although Gallinari has potential to be a starter)
PF: Wright/Williams/Moore
C: Miller/Hawes/Moore

Start Hawes at center even. Then we have a core of about 7-8 youngsters to build around. We have our two good vets, Miller and Moore. And in a couple years we get some big contracts off the books. While we wait for K-9, SAR, and Miller's contracts to expire this young core can start to become a team. They'll get the chance to learn from Reggie, which is one of his big strengths in my opinion; he can teach a young team and they'll listen. When those contracts expire Petrie can start picking up some bench/role players or make a move on some big name player.

Eh the Warriors want to get bigger, not smaller. Nelson is only going to be there for 1-2 more years anyway. Wright could be there for 10-15. Bad potential investment.

 

[fnordius]

It looks to me as if Artest can't be traded until after he exercises his option (assuming he does).

CBA, Article 7, Section 8(c): A Team cannot trade any player after the NBA trade deadline occurring in the last Season of the player’s Contract, or after the NBA trade deadline occurring in any Season that could be the last Season of the player’s Contract based upon the exercise or non-exercise of an Option or Early Termination Option.

 

[Section 101]

I believe no one can talk contracts or trades until July 1st, or 2nd, whatever the date is, and Artest has to opt in or out at that time. So, you can't even talk trades. Artest does not have a no trade clause, so as long as he's under contract, and it is a time when contracts or trades can be talked about, the Kings can trade him without his consent.

Teams can make trades once their season is over. The Webber/Richmond trade was made during the playoffs.

Teams cannot contact free agents until July 1.

 

[vfettke]

Eh the Warriors want to get bigger, not smaller. Nelson is only going to be there for 1-2 more years anyway. Wright could be there for 10-15. Bad potential investment.

But will Davis be there for another 10-15 years?

A lot of my idea is based on Nelly's involvement. He wants to win a championship with this time, and I'm pretty sure the front office/ownership wants to as well. Who gets them there ASAP, Artest or Wright and Harrington?

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

Batum hasn't done very well.. Something like 9ppg 3rpg 2apg.. In limited minutes though... .

Forgive my ignorance, but aren't European stats slightly deceiving? Wasn't Nikoloz Tskitishvili averaging like 30 pts and 10 rebounds in only 15 games when he was drafted #5 by the Nuggets? I mean, I don't think numbers are exactly a great barometer/measuring stick for Euro ball.

 

[Gary]

Forgive my ignorance, but aren't European stats slightly deceiving? Wasn't Nikoloz Tskitishvili averaging like 30 pts and 10 rebounds in only 15 games when he was drafted #5 by the Nuggets? I mean, I don't think numbers are exactly a great barometer/measuring stick for Euro ball.

Well yah, but like I said it was limited minutes. Gallinari jumped him because he was more productive, but Batum by no means will drop off the radar. The second best Euro and is lottery bound.

 

[Gilles]

Forgive my ignorance, but aren't European stats slightly deceiving? Wasn't Nikoloz Tskitishvili averaging like 30 pts and 10 rebounds in only 15 games when he was drafted #5 by the Nuggets? I mean, I don't think numbers are exactly a great barometer/measuring stick for Euro ball.

I wonder where you heard that because Skita had 6,5 ppg in 13 games for Benetton in Italian league that was very thin in depth at that moment. He was also playing off the bench which means he played mostly against bench players. Danilo is dominating Italian league almost at the level Gino did but Manu was 23 back then, Danilo is 19. I think he's more like Hedo but with much better slashing and maybe worse playmaking skills. After all, Hedo played PG in Turkey. Danilo is also more athletic.

 

[bajaden]

I really doubt that Danilo will be available to the Kings. I have him going somewhere between 5 and 8. He is the best european player on the board. If he is there, he would be hard to pass up, and certainly would give the Kings more options with the roster. I'm not going to hold my breath though.