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Nothing new here, but I was wondering about the the fact that Brockman hasn't been signed to a contract yet. I'm too lazy to look it up right now, but I believe that there aren't any cap holds on second round picks until they actually sign. Considering that 13 players is the required minimum and the Kings are currently at 12, I was wondering if the Kings have another deal that their working on and don't want to use any of their current cap space on Brockman. They can always sign him after the fact.

I realize that I'm shooting arrows into the air, but Brockman seems like the logical 13th, unless they have something else going on..:confused:
 
its hard to tell with our current roster... there probably is a sign and trade out there with our name on it but with players like beno and nocioni how do you make a move? we need a star player but at what position? i would think sf but we would need someone to take nocioni or garcia.

or maybe petrie wants to be that third team that someone needs to trade a disgruntled player. i dont know what to really think about any additions to the team anymore. you would think that we couldve signed brockman instead of signing sean may.
 
bajaden said:
Nothing new here, but I was wondering about the the fact that Brockman hasn't been signed to a contract yet. I'm too lazy to look it up right now, but I believe that there aren't any cap holds on second round picks until they actually sign. Considering that 13 players is the required minimum and the Kings are currently at 12, I was wondering if the Kings have another deal that their working on and don't want to use any of their current cap space on Brockman. They can always sign him after the fact.

I realize that I'm shooting arrows into the air, but Brockman seems like the logical 13th, unless they have something else going on..:confused:
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I think this is primarily much ado about nothing. As a second round pick, we don't have to sign Brockman right now. We can wait until training camp, invite him there and then, if he works out, offer him a regular contract. If not, we can just let our rights to him expire.
 
For me, it's hard to believe that Brockman will stay on the team.. Harder than picking fly poop out of black pepper.

I'm expecting a minor sign or trade to happen
 
as far as sign and trade Lee is the best available at 16 & 12 as a 4th year player. New York has yet to offer him what he wants.
From another angle we can't risk losing any of our core players.
I dont think Brock will be signed, as far as an all-star position. We need a Center, but it wont happen. Only on draft day.

Question, would Lee be able to sign with any team?
 
VF21 said:
I think this is primarily much ado about nothing. As a second round pick, we don't have to sign Brockman right now. We can wait until training camp, invite him there and then, if he works out, offer him a regular contract. If not, we can just let our rights to him expire.
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Yeah, your probably right. I'm just spectulating out loud and getting anxious for some news.. There was mention of Brockman in todays Bee that sort of prompted me. Only 29 days to training camp opens, if I've counted right. If anything going to happen, it should happen fairly soon. I wonder when the Kings will release their training camp roster?
 
There is a brief blurb about Brockman in today's Bee. The article talks about Garcia and Udrih playing for their national teams while Kevin Martin and Omri Casspi are in Florida working with David Thorpe. At the very end, it mentions that Brockman's agent is "hopeful" they can come to an agreement with the Kings before training camp.
 
It is kind of interesting -- you don't have to sign your 2nd rounders before camp, and many are not (including a number of ours from past years). But if you believe in them and/or they show something in summer league there is normally some sort of agreement. Surprised its taken this long given the number of times we have talked about him as more or less already here. Not as if we have been doing anything else this summer that would distract us from a small deal like his would be. Unless of course there was somehting in the works out there.
 
Yeah, from hearing Westphal talk about Brockman it sounded to me like the guy is here to stay. That would suck if we ended up having the best pick in the 2nd round and all we ended up with is a 3rd string PG that cost us about 2 million in cap space. :(
 
SacTownKid said:
Yeah, from hearing Westphal talk about Brockman it sounded to me like the guy is here to stay. That would suck if we ended up having the best pick in the 2nd round and all we ended up with is a 3rd string PG that cost us about 2 million in cap space. :(
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the way he talked about brockman you would think that he was already signed....
 
I don't think they're anticipating any problems. I'm not sure but I suspect Petrie may be off on vacation...
 
bajaden said:
Nothing new here, but I was wondering about the the fact that Brockman hasn't been signed to a contract yet. I'm too lazy to look it up right now, but I believe that there aren't any cap holds on second round picks until they actually sign. Considering that 13 players is the required minimum and the Kings are currently at 12, I was wondering if the Kings have another deal that their working on and don't want to use any of their current cap space on Brockman. They can always sign him after the fact.

I realize that I'm shooting arrows into the air, but Brockman seems like the logical 13th, unless they have something else going on..:confused:
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According to Coon FAQ. #98
September 6 Second round draft picks become free agents if not given a required tender
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So, looks like Sept 6th is when we'll know what's on GP's mind.

As to your point about not signing Brockman meaning that they have more cap space. The same would be true with signing Tyreke, Casspi and May. All their contracts would be exceptions to the cap limit. If they really wanted to save cap space for a deal, they would have been better off not signing Tyreke who got $3.6M or Omri who got $1.3M. Brockman only stands to make $500k.

So, I doubt that they are not signing Brockman because of cap space, unless some deal just popped up.
 
HighTopKicks said:
According to Coon FAQ. #98
So, looks like Sept 6th is when we'll know what's on GP's mind.

As to your point about not signing Brockman meaning that they have more cap space. The same would be true with signing Tyreke, Casspi and May. All their contracts would be exceptions to the cap limit. If they really wanted to save cap space for a deal, they would have been better off not signing Tyreke who got $3.6M or Omri who got $1.3M. Brockman only stands to make $500k.

So, I doubt that they are not signing Brockman because of cap space, unless some deal just popped up.
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i thought that you had to sign 1st round picks... thats why the wizards traded the #5 pick....
 
HighTopKicks said:
So, looks like Sept 6th is when we'll know what's on GP's mind.
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Well, we're still at 12 players, so we'll have to do something, and notwithstanding the fact that Nocioni or maybe Greene can slot down to the 4 in a pinch, we really only have 4 guys to cover the two post positions, and one of them is named Kenny Thomas. (And another is Sean May, who has a lot left to prove.) So at this point we practically have to sign a big man.

I'd like to see Brockman join the team for nothing else than some rebounding and hustle off the (deep end of the) bench, but I wonder if we're looking for a way to find some more legitimate size to stuff there. There's not much left in the FA market, so unless we can swing a trade for an available big man we may be stuck without a lot of size this year.

But either way I can't really imagine Brockman being signed would get in the way of other moves.
 
AriesMar27 said:
i thought that you had to sign 1st round picks... thats why the wizards traded the #5 pick....
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You retain the 1st round pick for 1yr. If he doesn't sign with a non-nba team, he is eligible to reenter the draft the following year.

I don't know why Washington decided to trade their pick. Maybe because their over the salary limit, and didn't think they wanted to spend the money of the talent available.
 
Brockman brought more hustle, banging and rebounding (and some shot blocking too) than anyone else on the summer league team including JT. He is only 6-9 but at 255 should be enough to bang with the best of them during the season. The Kings might be waiting until the last minute to see who else might pop up but anyone wanting more money is likely not a choice, David Lee included. Wonder if anyone selected in the second round before Brockman is a better choice if they are not signed by their drafting team???
 
CruzDude said:
Brockman brought more hustle, banging and rebounding (and some shot blocking too) than anyone else on the summer league team including JT. He is only 6-9 but at 255 should be enough to bang with the best of them during the season. The Kings might be waiting until the last minute to see who else might pop up but anyone wanting more money is likely not a choice, David Lee included. Wonder if anyone selected in the second round before Brockman is a better choice if they are not signed by their drafting team???
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Both the Kings web site & Washington's lists Brockman at 6'7". He's the same height as Noc & Thomas.
 
So it looks like Brockman is a free agent now, right? I like his determined attitude.

I wonder what the Kings front office is thinking right now about out roster. Wonder if they are looking at some other second rounder who didn't get signed by today?
 
bajaden said:
He's actually 6'7" without shoes. So with shoes he's probably around 6'8.5.
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Not that a have a reason to doubt you but I don't believe that Kings.com is reporting their bare foot height. And, since I couldn't find him in Draftexpress's data base, I'm not sure he went to any of the combines for a shoeless measurement. If you have a source please give us the link.
 
kennadog said:
So it looks like Brockman is a free agent now, right? I like his determined attitude.

I wonder what the Kings front office is thinking right now about out roster. Wonder if they are looking at some other second rounder who didn't get signed by today?
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He's only a UFA if the Kings failed to "tender an offer". Not exactly sure what that means, but I assume that they needed to make some kind of offer. But it might not have to be guaranteed. And, it doesn't have to be excepted, so John & his agent could be looking overseas.

My guess is that the Kings didn't make an offer and aren't worried about losing a 2nd rounder. They throw away 2 last year.
 
HighTopKicks said:
He's only a UFA if the Kings failed to "tender an offer". Not exactly sure what that means, but I assume that they needed to make some kind of offer. But it might not have to be guaranteed. And, it doesn't have to be excepted, so John & his agent could be looking overseas.

My guess is that the Kings didn't make an offer and aren't worried about losing a 2nd rounder. They throw away 2 last year.
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Well since it was late on the 6th when I posted and we hadn't heard anything, I was assuming the Kings hadn't "tendered an offer.
 
HighTopKicks said:
He's only a UFA if the Kings failed to "tender an offer". Not exactly sure what that means, but I assume that they needed to make some kind of offer. But it might not have to be guaranteed. And, it doesn't have to be excepted, so John & his agent could be looking overseas.

My guess is that the Kings didn't make an offer and aren't worried about losing a 2nd rounder. They throw away 2 last year.
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From what I've heard, he's not a free agent yet...which doesn't mean much, but I'm thinking it means they're still working out some kind of details with his agent. Considering the vagueness of the term "tender an offer," that could have been done already with only details to be worked out before an actual agreement is reached...
 
CruzDude said:
Brockman brought more hustle, banging and rebounding (and some shot blocking too) than anyone else on the summer league team including JT. He is only 6-9 but at 255 should be enough to bang with the best of them during the season. The Kings might be waiting until the last minute to see who else might pop up but anyone wanting more money is likely not a choice, David Lee included. Wonder if anyone selected in the second round before Brockman is a better choice if they are not signed by their drafting team???
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I see Brockman grew two inches since he was drafted.
 
HighTopKicks said:
Not that a have a reason to doubt you but I don't believe that Kings.com is reporting their bare foot height. And, since I couldn't find him in Draftexpress's data base, I'm not sure he went to any of the combines for a shoeless measurement. If you have a source please give us the link.
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From draftexpress:

Only measuring in at 6-7 without shoes, with a very underwhelming 6-7 ¾ wingspan, Brockman is clearly undersized for the power forward position.


http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jon-Brockman-1168/
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