EatMoreChicken
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the solution is simple, Bonzi can sign for the league minimum. His agent f'up royally and should be a lesson to other FA's. greedy agents that only look out for their own interest should be fired.
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sono
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But who's the winner?
Fortunatelly for Salmons, for GP it looked like a desperate move.
Well, it was a small possibility of him coming back, but I didn't think it'd actually come out in reality. Wow.
I don't see a return for Bonzi. He and his agent just messed up. Would I be okay if he did indeed come back some how? Sure.
I absolutely agree.
I don't see a return for Bonzi. He and his agent just messed up. Would I be okay if he did indeed come back some how? Sure.
I absolutely agree.
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HndsmCelt
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well depends on how long your view is. Thsi year? Kings lose a good player that wanted a huge contract likely to extend past his usefullness... small loss Kings. Bonzi's Agent looses a BIG deal with no safe harbor... BIG Loss, Bonzi has to put off signing a big deal for at least one season, BIG loss. In the next few seasons Kings have a guy that was actively persued by other teams but we have to see how he does to call it a bust, a fair deal or a good deal, Bonzi's agent has lost lots of crediblity and new prospcts will hard to sign... BIGER loss, Bonzi may or may not get a better offer next season. In the Long run GP brings this back story with him to every negotiation and is much more liekly to make better deals due to the rep of crushing agents... HUGE Kings win, Bonzi's Agent may put this behind him or may be selling insurace in 2 years, just have to see. Bonzi will no doubt get a fair offer next season and in the end may loose out on a few million dollars off of a life time earnings in the tens of millions... some loss but not huge.
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Big Cuz 15
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agreed
Indeed. I'd be fine with that. He'd be another nice veteran with Othella Harrington on that young team. Closer to home as well for him.
Celt hit the nail on the head, IMHO. Phillips pushed Petrie one too many times. Petrie had to make a choice; and his choice was to move on. I seriously doubt he will ever see the inside of Arco again, except as a visitor.
Bringing Bonzi back now, after everything that's happened, wouldn't do anyone any good.
I'd much rather keep Corliss, move on and not look back.
Bringing Bonzi back now, after everything that's happened, wouldn't do anyone any good.
I'd much rather keep Corliss, move on and not look back.
sono
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No one is the winner.
Let’s leave Bonzi or his agent alone, we all know.
Now what we or GP got? Salmons & some credibility???? And you’re expecting him in the next few seasons be someone who can make an impact or the best a decent 6th man? I would give a try if he were younger than 24 or had some wounds to prove it; he’s almost past his prime. He’s alone or the new additions won’t fill the hole Bonzi’d left, rebounding & hustle that we desperately need this season.
It’s good to hear GP has cemented his credibility, but in the NBA market credibility alone won’t bring you decent players, especially when you dealing with agents such us Bonzi’s.
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Kingzrool
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I have heard no suggestion of a FA that was available at the time that would be better for us.
GP uped his offer from 36 to 40 mil??? What would you have him do? Sit around and wait like a puppy dog for Bonzi and his dufas agent while all available FA's were being taken. IMO GP must have had some interest in Salmon as the back up plan and when it got down to him getting offers on the level that he was, GP was done waiting and got in the game. Besides, Bonzi for 40 mil???? Give Salmons a chance, with luck he may be worth 65% of Bonzi.
Folks this whole thing is just business, each party doing their jobs. GP and the Kings made what seemed, at first blush, to be a low ball offer given Bonzi's playoff record and that the FA signing season had just begun and it was reasonable for Bonzi and his agent to think they could get a better offer elsewhere and see if the Kings wanted to match it. But as things have played out it seems that GP is in the drivers seat having justifiably rescinded the qualifying offer reportedly at just under $8 million per year. It was a calculated gamble that now leaves GP in the position of deciding if he wants to offer minimum to, say, $8 million (admitedly with some roster shuffling) for one to 4-5 years. He's still in the drivers seat. But, having once offered $8 million Bonzi's camp has a right to assume that GP thinks he's worth a similar number now...if GP wants to shuffle the roster. And now, GP, is playing hardball to drive down the price. I sincerely hope this is the case because we're a better team with Bonzi, especially if it forces us to jettison some dead wood in the expiring contracts we're carrying this year.
I doubt it.
He made his last best offer and Phillips turned it down. Petrie is done. He's not looking back. Was it the right move? Maybe, maybe not. But it's a done deal.
It's like a rocky relationship. When you finally realize it's just not gonna work, you cut your losses and you move on. That's what Petrie has done.
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As far as credibility not going far when dealing with agents like William Phillips, HIS credibility is the one that's shot right now, not Petrie's. Phillips had his client turn down a legitimate offer. If I'm a young player looking for an agent, am I going to pick someone like Phillips or am I gonna look at the guy who, for example, got Peja mega-millions from the Hornets?
Hrm... Let me think...
SacTownKid
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I would have love to have Bonzi back, but I am really starting to get excited about seeing Francisco and Kevin get some big opprotunities.
I doubt it.
He made his last best offer and Phillips turned it down. Petrie is done. He's not looking back. Was it the right move? Maybe, maybe not. But it's a done deal.
It's like a rocky relationship. When you finally realize it's just not gonna work, you cut your losses and you move on. That's what Petrie has done.
As far as credibility not going far when dealing with agents like William Phillips, HIS credibility is the one that's shot right now, not Petrie's. Phillips had his client turn down a legitimate offer. If I'm a young player looking for an agent, am I going to pick someone like Phillips or am I gonna look at the guy who, for example, got Peja mega-millions from the Hornets?
Hrm... Let me think...
Given your connections, VF-21, I find it pretty depressing that a fluid situation, such as contract negotiations, will be summarily rejected just because of what has taken place prior. Bonzi/his agent may need a cup hung from their rear ends to keep if from flowing over but I think most people, including GP initially, feel that we're a better club with Bonzi than without him so isn't that a little bit like cutting of your nose to spite your face? Surely a short term contract at a reasonalble price would make this a better team, don't you think?
Kingzrool
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Yeah, I think it is time to get over this. I am sure that Phillips will desperately come up with a few more scenario's and GP will hear from him again but unless he is better at his job than he has demonstrated, they will not be worth our time.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Bottom line, if Bonzi would sign a 1 year deal for the minimum. The Kings would be stupid to not sign him. Pay the 1 million in tax, who gives a ****. But I don't know if I like the idea of giving our expirings away. Plus the Francisco/Kevin thing.
sono
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That's obvious, but I'm not talking about his (Phillips) credibility or care about.....
As far as credibility not going far when dealing with agents like William Phillips, HIS credibility is the one that's shot right now, not Petrie's. Phillips had his client turn down a legitimate offer. If I'm a young player looking for an agent, am I going to pick someone like Phillips or am I gonna look at the guy who, for example, got Peja mega-millions from the Hornets?
Hrm... Let me think...
SLAB
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The Maloofs.
Bonzi is not the difference between us being contenders or not. Either way we wouldn't be contenders this season without more help on the front line. The best case scenario probably would have been some kind of Bonzi sign and trade deal to help us get a big man (and not another 1 year rental like Magloire would have been). Petrie is looking long term right now because we are another season or two away and that is why things like maintaining his integrity when dealing with over zealous agents really does matter.
I don't think anything was summarily rejected except for the Kings offer to Bonzi.
Contract negotations may be fluid for a while, but then - just like everything else - decisions have to be made. Petrie and Phillips reached a point, I think, where future discussions were pointless because they were not going to see eye-to-eye on Bonzi's sticker price.
Petrie moved on. Phillips fully intended to find the greener pastures. It was most likely a big shock to him to find out there were NO other takers at the price his client wanted and expected to get.
Bonzi could have accepted the offer Petrie made. If he had, especially considering how much talk he had done about wanting to remain a King, etc. then we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I don't get insider info. about inner workings of contract stuff. In fact, I don't think anyone knows the inner workings of Petrie's negotiations until and unless he decides to reveal them. And we all know what a jabbermouth Petrie is.
There were indications in a couple of different places that there were provisions in the contract Bonzi objected to. I don't recall right now, but I think William Phillips may even have mentioned that as a reason Bonzi didn't agree to the deal. My gut instinct tells me that perhaps there is more here than we will ever know. Not all dirty linen gets aired...
What I do know is that the USS Bonzi King sailed. It hit a reef and sank with the loss of all hands. There are NO plans to attempt to salvage it.
You mentioned that Petrie's credibility had taken a hit. I was simply pointing out that if anyone's credibility had suffered, it would more likely be Phillips...
Exactly. These things can only drag on for so long, and, frankly, I think GP should have pulled the "see-ya-later" trigger earlier to allow us to go after other free agents before they got snapped up. It was apparent long ago that the two sides were FAR apart on their views of Bonzi's worth this year.
Big Cuz 15
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we got a bunch of players at the 1-2-3. someones going to be pissed for not playing. i'd say sign him for hte vet and package him with hahahhah KT! and send them on their way
BigSong
Bench
I know it really sucks....I sure hope Salmons proves us all wrong and is a super stud multi position player to warrant his contract. It really also sucks that I cannot remember seeing or hearing about this guy and now he is supposed to be this great multi position player that we paid $25.5M/5 years on??? It is great having a player with versatility to play multiple positions, but then we need to trim the roster on the backup overlap of that player. We cannot be 4 deep at PG (Bibby, Salmons, Hart, Price, ???Douby who we are said to be grooming for PG???). Garcia then would be our backup to Artest and Salmons after that I think? I rather have Bonzi as backup SF after Artest and then have him starting or backing up SG. Maybe he is humble enough to accept a backup position behind Artest and start occasionally at SG, but with now having Salmons that seems like a very distant possibility and awful redundant.
Right now theres still a question as to who can fill the role of bckup point guard. petrie picked up Salmons probably to play the og longterm, and is hoping that by season end either price or douby will assert themselves as a backup pg. If neither work out drop both of them.
Drop Douby and/or Price after one season (Price barely played last season)? Wow. That's not much of a chance at all. I don't think either are gonna be main PGs on this team yet, they'll obviously play some during games for the most part of the season though. I hope I'm wrong and it'll be more, because that'll mean they're coming along well. Both have been working on their PG skills this summer.
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Circa_1985_Fan
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ummmmm...errrr...nevermind.
bajaden
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I don't think anything was summarily rejected except for the Kings offer to Bonzi.
Contract negotations may be fluid for a while, but then - just like everything else - decisions have to be made. Petrie and Phillips reached a point, I think, where future discussions were pointless because they were not going to see eye-to-eye on Bonzi's sticker price.
Petrie moved on. Phillips fully intended to find the greener pastures. It was most likely a big shock to him to find out there were NO other takers at the price his client wanted and expected to get.
Bonzi could have accepted the offer Petrie made. If he had, especially considering how much talk he had done about wanting to remain a King, etc. then we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I don't get insider info. about inner workings of contract stuff. In fact, I don't think anyone knows the inner workings of Petrie's negotiations until and unless he decides to reveal them. And we all know what a jabbermouth Petrie is.
There were indications in a couple of different places that there were provisions in the contract Bonzi objected to. I don't recall right now, but I think William Phillips may even have mentioned that as a reason Bonzi didn't agree to the deal. My gut instinct tells me that perhaps there is more here than we will ever know. Not all dirty linen gets aired...
What I do know is that the USS Bonzi King sailed. It hit a reef and sank with the loss of all hands. There are NO plans to attempt to salvage it.
I couldn't agree more. Unfortunally you make too much sense and it pops too many balloons. We all have our dreams, but sometimes they don't come true. We all dreamed of Bonzi and instead we got Salmons. How good Salmons is going to be I have no idea. All I know is that two other good teams wanted him so there must be something there. To judge him on his record with the 76's isn't fair. He had little playing time, and seldom touched the ball when he was in the game, thanks to AI. I remember when B Jax came here. People said he had done nothing in Minny and why did we want him. Turned out OK. One thing I know is that JP is a good judge of talent. He isn't perfect but he's a dammside better than 90 percent of the GM's in the league. Anyone who thinks he should be gone, be careful what you wish for. But then, I. Thomas will be looking for a job soon. We can always get him to turn us around.
Rockmeister
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Now, this was funny but true.
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