Kings Notes: Petrie: Wells return no longer practical

#61
I couldn't agree more. Unfortunally you make too much sense and it pops too many balloons. We all have our dreams, but sometimes they don't come true. We all dreamed of Bonzi and instead we got Salmons. How good Salmons is going to be I have no idea. All I know is that two other good teams wanted him so there must be something there. To judge him on his record with the 76's isn't fair. He had little playing time, and seldom touched the ball when he was in the game, thanks to AI. I remember when B Jax came here. People said he had done nothing in Minny and why did we want him. Turned out OK. One thing I know is that JP is a good judge of talent. He isn't perfect but he's a dammside better than 90 percent of the GM's in the league. Anyone who thinks he should be gone, be careful what you wish for. But then, I. Thomas will be looking for a job soon. We can always get him to turn us around.
Tend to agree about Salmons. As said and put out there recently, a different and un-suiting situation in Philly for Salmons.
 
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SacTownKid

Hall of Famer
#62
RESIGN BONZI!!! How many opportunities are there to have him and Artest on the wings? We can go all the way...trade Salmons and the benchers for some help in the middle and we are there...with Bonzi of course. Tell the cheap a** Maloofs to spend some money.

I have been going back and watching footage of the team in the month of february and on until Bonzi came in off the bench., and I am very excited about what this team can look like without Bonzi Wells.

Francisco and Kevin were really getting a feel for their games and it was incredible! Francisco was making plays, blocking shots out of nowhere, and draining 3's when left on the wings. Kevin was rebounding, pushing the ball, running off screens, and draining his open looks. It was very fun to watch, smooth offensive / active defense basketball.

I ask the question---How many opportunities are there to have guys like Kevin, Francisco, and Artest on the wings?
 

VF21

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#63
Francisco and Kevin were really getting a feel for their games and it was incredible! Francisco was making plays, blocking shots out of nowhere, and draining 3's when left on the wings. Kevin was rebounding, pushing the ball, running off screens, and draining his open looks. It was very fun to watch, smooth offensive / active defense basketball.
We have youth; we have hunger; we have energy. I'm really looking forward to seeing what the kids can do. I can't remember the last time I was this excited about seeing the younger players on the court.

:D
 

SacTownKid

Hall of Famer
#65
Would we be? In certain area's yes. I don't buy that by losing Bonzi we become a team unable to rebound the ball at all. Maybe not as good, but I just don't think we are a set back that far by losing Bonzi. With Bonzi I think we are a different team. Without Bonzi I think we are a different team. Better or worse? I guess we'll find out.
 
#66
I want to see Martin and Garcia again. The energy was exciting and I even remeber KT fitting into the lineup better while that run was happening. We were awesome as soon as Ron got here and it did not matter if Bonzi was around or not. I would of liked to see Bonzi again but I think that our team is about speed and hopefully defense next year and this will be done with or without Bonzi.
 
#67
VF21 said:
We have youth; we have hunger; we have energy. I'm really looking forward to seeing what the kids can do. I can't remember the last time I was this excited about seeing the younger players on the court.

:D
Agreed! Kevin Martin is gonna be a STUD this year and i have said it about 20 times i like the kid and hes just as important as Ron/Bibby/Miller.

Kevin Martin and Garcia is our future and i can't wait to see there full potential.
 
#68
Would we be? In certain area's yes. I don't buy that by losing Bonzi we become a team unable to rebound the ball at all. Maybe not as good, but I just don't think we are a set back that far by losing Bonzi. With Bonzi I think we are a different team. Without Bonzi I think we are a different team. Better or worse? I guess we'll find out.
That's what I mean. I don't think it's much of a set-back.

I want to see Martin and Garcia again. The energy was exciting and I even remeber KT fitting into the lineup better while that run was happening. We were awesome as soon as Ron got here and it did not matter if Bonzi was around or not. I would of liked to see Bonzi again but I think that our team is about speed and hopefully defense next year and this will be done with or without Bonzi.
Oh, it'll be about defense :). At least significantly in part.
 
#69
I may be in the minority but I adored Bonzi's engergy and abilities - I am very sad to see him leave. I am not really clear on this - what happens to him now? What if no one picks him up? :( I guess we don't get to keep him.
 
#71
That's what I mean. I don't think it's much of a set-back.



Oh, it'll be about defense :). At least significantly in part.
Not a setback? Maybe, but we won't know for a while.

Drop Corliss/Hart/Pot and pick up Bonzi on the cheap? That's an upgrade. Hands down, no questions asked. Sorry.
 

Entity

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#72
Not a setback? Maybe, but we won't know for a while.

Drop Corliss/Hart/Pot and pick up Bonzi on the cheap? That's an upgrade. Hands down, no questions asked. Sorry.
when you say Drop. What exactly do you mean. Waive them? Trade them? First off if you waive them their salary still goes against the cap and GP has CLEARLY stated the organization doesn't want to go over the tax threshold and have to pay the league. Now as far as trading them. What team would want a short PF on his last leg 6.5 mil a year or a center that never panned out to do anything productive almost 6mil. Jason hart maybe we get a 2nd round pick for him but thats only around 2 mil and signing Bonzi would put us over the threshold. Not to mention we have a plethera of 2/3 guys now with Salmons and adding another doesn't make sense. I can't figure out why you ppl are holding on so tightly when Kevin Martin is obviously ready for that next step and is more than capable of giving us exactly what we need to compliment the game of Ron Artest.
 
#74
Drop Corliss/Hart/Pot and pick up Bonzi on the cheap? That's an upgrade. Hands down, no questions asked. Sorry.
I already said something similar 1 or 2 pages back.

Why be sorry when I didn't even comment on that kind of scenario, or getting Bonzi back in the quoted post?
 
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#75
Funny thing is when we got Hart for that draft pick, i thought we got a steal from the 'Cats. Now its different. I still think that Hart can prove himself this year. He didn't get playing time that often and he could become reliable off the bench. If i was coming off the bench for 5 minutes a game i would jack up shots as well. If he got some regular minutes, around 15-17 minutes a game, he could surprise us.
 
#76
If Hart stays, I think he'll fit with Musselman's system as a 6'3", long, defensive hustle guard off the bench sometimes.
 
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#77
Funny thing is when we got Hart for that draft pick, i thought we got a steal from the 'Cats. Now its different. I still think that Hart can prove himself this year. He didn't get playing time that often and he could become reliable off the bench. If i was coming off the bench for 5 minutes a game i would jack up shots as well. If he got some regular minutes, around 15-17 minutes a game, he could surprise us.
Hart did regress this year with us as opposed to the year when he was actually putting up stats with the Bobcats. But of course, the Cats' gave him a huge opportunity and his stats became bloated being one of the top guys right there. Over here, he received less playing time but simply did not capitalize. We do know that he is an offensive liability--spanning from his days at SA. He did tease with his passing at Charlotte but that seems gone now--he's just an average passer. He's only a perimeter defensive type, but just above average, and not a stopper. I'm not exactly thrilled to have him back, but he's a far cry from the "long/hustling" type guard that we envisioned. His decision-making in particular is something that irritates me.
 
#78
Funny thing is when we got Hart for that draft pick, i thought we got a steal from the 'Cats. Now its different. I still think that Hart can prove himself this year. He didn't get playing time that often and he could become reliable off the bench. If i was coming off the bench for 5 minutes a game i would jack up shots as well. If he got some regular minutes, around 15-17 minutes a game, he could surprise us.
shooting isn't his forte, wouldn't you want your shots coming from high percent shooters?
 

pdxKingsFan

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#79
Funny thing is when we got Hart for that draft pick, i thought we got a steal from the 'Cats. Now its different. I still think that Hart can prove himself this year. He didn't get playing time that often and he could become reliable off the bench. If i was coming off the bench for 5 minutes a game i would jack up shots as well. If he got some regular minutes, around 15-17 minutes a game, he could surprise us.
I remember last year during the preseason people on this board were talking about shipping off Bibby and making Hart the starter. So I guess there's always an off chance the new coach makes an impact and he goes back to showing whatever he showed in Charlotte and last preseason that made so many so high on him.
 

Entity

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#80
Only problem is Hart isn't going to get 15-17 min a game. That would mean Bibby gets less than 35. Bibby is going to get his normal 38-42 min a game and Salmons is going to get some min a pg as it has already been stated by GP. Hart if he is lucky will get to play in 40 games averaging about 4-6 min at best.
 

SacTownKid

Hall of Famer
#81
I hope BIbby and Brad's minutes are down this year.

Hart, if lucky, will be released so he can find a team where he'll get some minutes.
 
#82
I think Musselman may perform a PG by comitee... Now not to say Bibby won't be on the floor, but I think the PG duites may be spread to Douby, Garcia, and Hart, while Bibby takes a rest and goes up the floor. Hopefully, Bibby can get his minutes cut down, because he has been breaking down late season.
 
#83
Agreed ^. I think that is like it'll be...

Kevin - ball-handler
Ron - can run the point
Salmons - can run the point
Garcia - ditto
Hart - ball-handler, not sure about his point skills, can at least drive and dish probably
Brad - good passer
Douby - ball-handler, run the point some
Price - ditto Douby.
 
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#84
I think Douby could do better than Garcia or KMart in his rookie year than those two. Garcia was impressive until that damn injury. If Douby gets open looks, he will make a lot of those shots.
 
#86
Only problem is Hart isn't going to get 15-17 min a game. That would mean Bibby gets less than 35. Bibby is going to get his normal 38-42 min a game and Salmons is going to get some min a pg as it has already been stated by GP. Hart if he is lucky will get to play in 40 games averaging about 4-6 min at best.
i just dont see hart around for much longer. hart was just a band aid for last year at ths point hes dead weight. we got 3 young guys in douby salmons and price and theyre gonna get the lion share of the minutes. even garbage time minutes will go to price and douby. Plus theres jeter, he'll likely be cut but i dont know, there has t be som reason hes been sticking on to our team, maybe exposure, but there must be some interest in him. Not saying hart is completely horrible, theres just no space at all for him here.
 
#87
Only problem is Hart isn't going to get 15-17 min a game. That would mean Bibby gets less than 35. Bibby is going to get his normal 38-42 min a game and Salmons is going to get some min a pg as it has already been stated by GP. Hart if he is lucky will get to play in 40 games averaging about 4-6 min at best.
But Bibby getting 42 minutes a game is absurd and stupid if he doesn't have to play that much. I think Bibby's minutes will be in the 33-37 range, especially since we got Salmons.
 

Bricklayer

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#90
No way Bibby gets 38+ MPG this season.
Oh he may. This myth that Eric Musselman is some sort of blithering idiot who isn't going to ride his established stars to as many victories as he can gather is just that, a myth. He played Jamison nearly 40 a game in his first in G.S., Richardson nearly 38 a game in his second year. There are people on our roster he could play, or try to, but aside from Mike not being real happy with that, we figure to be in a dogfight for playoff position all season long. Unless management makes some moves that clearly indicate that its true rebuilding time, have a hard time seeing Muss throwing games away to see whether Quincy Douby or Ronnie Price can win a game for him.

Finally having a good backup should safely back Bibby's minutes under 40 per game, but we are neither so good nor so bad that he's going to become a 32mpg guy or something. It'll be major starter's minutes, or it will be Muss's head barring a Bibby trade.