Kings Notes: Petrie: Wells return no longer practical

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#92
No way Bibby gets 32 MPG ;). I'd just expect a bit less for him from this past season.

Don't see Douby or Price getting 20 MPG.
I thought the same thing so I looked back when we had a healthy Jackson to see what Bibby averaged per game and his first 2 years were both at 33 mpg. With Salmons, Douby, Hart, Price maybe it isn't inconcievable that Bibby gets 35-38. I don't know it depends on Muss and his need to play Bibby being one of the stars of the team. Either way Bibby dropping weight and working on stamina the min may not tire him as much or if we do use the backups a bit he certainly won't be tired out. It don't matter to me as I think we are covered at the pg spot.
 
#93
Here's to hoping he does get less minutes, it's been obvious to me that his time on the floor is focused on offense, and less energy spent on defense because of the fact he is out there so long...if he cant get his legs under his shot at the end of the game, that clutchness is not gonna be there, if he can't get up on a jumper.
 
#94
I don't disagree that Musselman will use his experienced players as much as possible but I think Bibby will see reduced minutes as compared to last year. One reason is that Bibby is not a true point guard. He is more of a OG that handles the ball. That said I expect someone like Salmons or Hart to see some extra minutes just to run the point and set up our rising stars. I expect Bibby will see around 36 min/game.
 
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One reason is that Bibby is not a true point guard. He is more of a OG that handles the ball.
Is that influenced by his time with the Kings? Because except for 04-05, Bibby's assist numbers went down to the mid-5s. Which was because of the princeton offense. As compared to when he was in Vancouver, he got 8+ APG three straight seasons. Bibby is more of a scoring PG, but Bibby definitely is a good play-maker as well, as he's shown many times.
 
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VF21

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Indeed. Bibby set up Martin for his game 3 buzzer shot winner. Bibby probably deserves more credit for that win than Martin.
Bibby got the ball, but Kevin did have to sprint the court in record time, be in the right place to receive Bibby's pass AND make an impossible shot while fending off Tim Duncan.

All things considered, I still think it will forever be known - at least to Kings fans - as THE SHOT. (And, for me, it's a welcome replacement in my mind to what had been known as the shot...) Just like 49er fans know immediately what I mean when I talk about THE CATCH.
 
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Bibby got the ball, but Kevin did have to sprint the court in record time, be in the right place to receive Bibby's pass AND make an impossible shot while fending off Tim Duncan.

All things considered, I still think it will forever be known - at least to Kings fans - as THE SHOT. (And, for me, it's a welcome replacement in my mind to what had been known as the shot...) Just like 49er fans know immediately what I mean when I talk about THE CATCH.
I'm not knocking Martin at all, believe me, it was no small feat, but how many guys could have made that play happen like Bibby did?
 

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Yeah, Martin got the easy part, making a 3pt shot with the clock running out and Duncan running at him. Piece of cake. I'm one of those that thinks Bibby is going to be traded. We will see. I also think Price will get minutes ahead of Hart or Douby. Price is a good defender and his offense has improved over last year. One can hope...
 

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I'm not knocking Martin at all, believe me, it was no small feat, but how many guys could have made that play happen like Bibby did?
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He got the ball and passed it to Martin, who did the rest. Bibby was doing pretty much what he was supposed to be doing -

I'm not dumping on him, but he was PLAYING DEFENSE and then passing to ball to an open team-mate. It was Kevin who made it work.

I think you're mistaking Mike actually playing defense for some great feat.

;)
 
^ whether or not it was a foul, all of my recollection was drowned out by kevin making that shot, a shot that to me made the entire season of pain worth it. just for that one moment of pure exhiliration.
 
If you dont want to see a foul, you won't look for one. It wasn't called cause none of the refs had a good angle, but the camera did. It was a foul. We got away with it, and that's rad, and it led to one of the best plays in Kings history...but it started with a foul.
 

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not to mention Duncan fouled Martin in the process. It was a good Team play Bibby for the defense and court awarness to find an open sprinting Martin who got to the perfect spot to recive the perfect pass for the buzzer beating layup. Great TEAM play chemistry like that and court awarness of both players is why we will be a scarey team this year. That and you never know where our offense is going to come from. Any player from 1-7 at anytime can go for 20. You never how many or which ones its a great time to be a King Fan.
 
they never call those last second things.

them not calling anything if there was a foul was just karma anyway, i mean there was amare's non-called goal-tend, i think some stuff with KG in the series with them, samaki's 3-pointer after the buzzer, stockton's shot after malone's moving pick (sadly i am sure i am forgetting some) i mean take your pick, in all "fairness" (I know it's not always "fair" in sports but yeah) we were (and still are) a bit deserving.


Plus that was an awesome party that night.
 

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Here is my thing. We are supposed to be so bad on defense and SA was so good and they have the inside post superstar and we have weak interior defense and no shot blocking and Tony Parker blows by everybody and all that jazz. Yet if it wasn't for a 10ft bounce off the back of the rim prayer shot by Barry we are up 2-1.
 
Here is my thing. We are supposed to be so bad on defense and SA was so good and they have the inside post superstar and we have weak interior defense and no shot blocking and Tony Parker blows by everybody and all that jazz. Yet if it wasn't for a 10ft bounce off the back of the rim prayer shot by Barry we are up 2-1.
i think it is just because we are an unlucky team :p
 

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Just thought about something. This is not a knock on Bonzi at all so not underwear should get raddled. But i wonder if he had such an awesoe offensive series because he never had to work hard on Defense. Bibby chasing Parker everywhere and Artese chasing Ginobili. Bonzi drew Bruce Bowen on defense which you only have to guard him if he goes to the corner. Bonzi was pretty much the double team guy that played off his man instead of having to chase his guy around the floor as did Artest and Bibby and Martin the game Ron was suspended. Just a thought i had as to why bonzi could focus so much on offense.
 
Here is my thing. We are supposed to be so bad on defense and SA was so good and they have the inside post superstar and we have weak interior defense and no shot blocking and Tony Parker blows by everybody and all that jazz. Yet if it wasn't for a 10ft bounce off the back of the rim prayer shot by Barry we are up 2-1.
I think it would have been 1-1, not 2-1. The same goes for us too. If it wasn't for Martin making that shot, we would be down 3-0.
 
Oh he may. This myth that Eric Musselman is some sort of blithering idiot who isn't going to ride his established stars to as many victories as he can gather is just that, a myth. He played Jamison nearly 40 a game in his first in G.S., Richardson nearly 38 a game in his second year. There are people on our roster he could play, or try to, but aside from Mike not being real happy with that, we figure to be in a dogfight for playoff position all season long. Unless management makes some moves that clearly indicate that its true rebuilding time, have a hard time seeing Muss throwing games away to see whether Quincy Douby or Ronnie Price can win a game for him.

Finally having a good backup should safely back Bibby's minutes under 40 per game, but we are neither so good nor so bad that he's going to become a 32mpg guy or something. It'll be major starter's minutes, or it will be Muss's head barring a Bibby trade.
Exactly, it has a lot to do with having a competent backup. With them just signing Salmons, and with Garcia and his skills there is no reason for Bibby to be overplayed. There are plenty of guys to give him a breather.

Just 2-3 minutes less a game! Thats all I ask!
 
Indeed. Bibby set up Martin for his game 3 buzzer shot winner. Bibby probably deserves more credit for that win than Martin.

I totally agree 1000%. How he even had the presence of mind to get the ball out like he did was beyond me. That was super quick thinking on Mikes part. Bibby did get a lot mention in the media for doing it, so he did get his do to some degree.
 
I honestly don't care how "the shot" happened, i was just happy that the shot went in. It felt good to beat someone in the playoffs at the buzzer (about time), we were on the recieving end of this for what seems like forever. Luck finally went our way.
 
My point is that Bibby steps up and attempts to make things happen when they need to happen, in other words he's clutch. THE SHOT was an amazing play, and Bibby was a big part of it.