Kings May Still Deal Bibby

[Miles and Miles]

The Sacramento Kings have not ruled out the possibility of dealing point guard Mike Bibby, and now view the Miami Heat as a potential partner if it does, according to an NBA official.
The Heat would give up Jason Williams, but whether the team would be willing to move forward Udonis Haslem is questionable.
Bibby, due $13.5 million and $14.5 million the next two seasons, could be packaged with forwards Kenny Thomas or Shareef Abdur-Rahim.
Source: Miami Herald

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors;_ylt=Ag3XcQmusy4ujwxYWMyK4tS8vLYF

This deal stinks. Please don't deal Bibby for Jason Williams. Been there done that. Haslem isn't that good, the team around him makes him look good.

 

[AriesMar27]

thats a good deal if we get rid of thomas or reef... jwill will just be a rental for the year... dont know how that works financially but if they can make it happen, do it....

 

[VF21]

I have liked Mike Bibby the whole time he's been here and if he leaves I will miss him.

Having said that, if trading him to Miami also gets rid of either KT or SAR and brings us back an expiring in Jason and change, GO FOR IT!!!

 

[Smills91]

I have liked Mike Bibby the whole time he's been here and if he leaves I will miss him.

Having said that, if trading him to Miami also gets rid of either KT or SAR and brings us back an expiring in Jason and change, GO FOR IT!!!

I agree with you on Kenny F. Thomas...however, SAR's value is NOT sunk to a bottomless abyss in the Pacific Ocean like KFT.. Moving Bibby w/KT is a good deal...moving Bibby w/SAR is a Baaaaaaaad!!!!! deal.

 

[dude12]

Don't be surprised if nothing happens. I agree with Smills here. Potentially getting rid of the KT and Bibby contracts would really help the rebuild process. I do feel like they should be adding a Dorell Wright at least in the deal. JWill is what he is...thats an ending contract. He might not ever play a minute for us and it doesn't matter. I do think that Haslem is an average PF but I also think he's better than any of our guys. I don't think this deal happens. This could be a leak to help motivate New York or ???

 

[chelle]

I would be sad, but if it helped us get rid of KT, I would have to STRONGLY consider it.

 

[Bricklayer]

Problem is the same -- money does not work if you are trying to add in a Kenny or SAR.

Now JWill, Doleac and Wright together = $13.7mil to Bibby's $13.5mil, so that works. But of course we have previous reports that Geoff is somehow inexplicably unattracted to ending contracts (specifically Jason's). Don't know, maybe bad blood or whatnot. Maybe he's just upset that the old broken down guy doesn't have a nice juicy long term deal.

In any case, so you can swap those three for Bibby more or less straight across, but Miami is then out of assets when you try to throw in Kenny or SAR on top of it. All they could send back at that point would be either Haslem or Walker, which are exactly the same type of grabage as Kenny and SAR. Belive it or nto Walker might be the most "attractive" of all those pieces just because his contract is effectively up in 2 yrs rather than 3 like everybody else. In addition the Heat are already loaded up on salary and over the tax limit, so they are not going to want to take on more salary than they receive, and are not going to want to do a sign and trade of Posey to take on more salary (we do not need/want Posey anyway, or should not).

And not knowing the wirter of the column at all, have no feel whether he is aware of all that/has thought of that, or not. In any case, to throw in one of our PFs we likely either have to take Walker or get a third team involved to do so. And even then its not sure, because with us running off with Wright in the deal, and with Posey not really signable because of the tax problems, and with us taking all the potential assets to get Pietrus, Miami would really be left with next to nobody at SF beyond maybe trying old broken down Penny Hardaway. And so they might need Walker to play there this year.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I agree with you on Kenny F. Thomas...however, SAR's value is NOT sunk to a bottomless abyss in the Pacific Ocean like KFT.. Moving Bibby w/KT is a good deal...moving Bibby w/SAR is a Baaaaaaaad!!!!! deal.

I would do this in a NY minute!! Anyway you have to work it out so we can get 'franchise chemotherapy', so-to-speak, and get rid of the cancer that is Kenny Thomas, YOU DO IT!! That would free up alot of money one year earlier, too. Will this happen?? I seriously doubt it...only because we're hearing about it in the media...not Petrie's style, as we all know...especially a RUMORED trade.

 

[BRad1055]

This won't happen because the Kings have already come out and said they do not want to take back Jason Williams.

 

[Kevin MartinFan]

This won't happen because the Kings have already come out and said they do not want to take back Jason Williams.

When did they ever say something like that? I cant imagine geoff petrie saying something straight up like that.

Anyway, Trading bibby and reef would be a bad deal for us but bibby and KT? OMG i would drive them both to the airport and fly the plane to miami myself.

 

[Bricklayer]

When did they ever say something like that? I cant imagine geoff petrie saying something straight up like that.

Anyway, Trading bibby and reef would be a bad deal for us but bibby and KT? OMG i would drive them both to the airport and fly the plane to miami myself.

There is nothing wrong with Bibby and SAR to clear up the frontcourt if Bibby and KT do not work. SAR is in the way too, and the contract is just as long. And there is not a team inthe elague that would give us even a late first rounder for him apparently, so you are not giving up much value if it greases the deal. Meanwhile any deal involving shipping out one fo the frontcourt guys, any of them, opens up minutes for Hawes/Justin etc.

 

[BRad1055]

I read it on this board I believe from an article someone posted. Forgive me but I don't remember when the article was posted, but I do remember reading it. It was a quote from a journalist saying the kings do not want to take back JWill.

 

[Ryan]

My freind's a lifeguard at the Palms. He just text messaged me and said that Bibby is out by the pool. I'll tell him to ask Bibby what's going on. haha

 

[VF21]

I read it on this board I believe from an article someone posted. Forgive me but I don't remember when the article was posted, but I do remember reading it. It was a quote from a journalist saying the kings do not want to take back JWill.

A journalist saying the Kings don't want to take back JWill is entirely different than the Kings coming out and saying it.

While I agree it's been said by the media, I do not recall any such instance where someone from the Kings organization made the comment.

 

[Kevin MartinFan]

There is nothing wrong with Bibby and SAR to clear up the frontcourt if Bibby and KT do not work. SAR is in the way too, and the contract is just as long. And there is not a team inthe elague that would give us even a late first rounder for him apparently, so you are not giving up much value if it greases the deal. Meanwhile any deal involving shipping out one fo the frontcourt guys, any of them, opens up minutes for Hawes/Justin etc.

Maybe but i think hawes and Justin will get enough time this season if they play hard and play well. I think theus will give time to who deserves it. But if he doesnt then i understand what your saying...i would have no problem trading bibby and reef if thats the case.

 

[SacKings7]

Didn't Petrie already come out and say that he isn't trying to deal Bibby??

 

[Entity]

What would getting D. Wright do for F. Garcia? It would push him closer to the end of the bench. At the end of the year Artest would have the an option and Wright would be a FA. I have seen some of you say that getting Wright is the main reason for this trade well. If Artest stays and Garcia grows and Wright sees himself not being a starter again next season then he may seek greener pastures. Also on this note would have essentially given up bibby for enders and got rid of his contract 1 year earlier. Sounds great huh? Think again then we have 2 years of medicore pg play and no prospect at that position in sight.. This isn't a good deal UNLESS an Artest deal is in the making and KT or SAR are heading out.

 

[Entity]

Didn't Petrie already come out and say that he isn't trying to deal Bibby??

He said he isn't calling around asking for trades but, he would listen to offers.

 

[SacKings7]

I would do this in a NY minute!! Anyway you have to work it out so we can get 'franchise chemotherapy', so-to-speak, and get rid of the cancer that is Kenny Thomas, YOU DO IT!! That would free up alot of money one year earlier, too. Will this happen?? I seriously doubt it...only because we're hearing about it in the media...not Petrie's style, as we all know...especially a RUMORED trade.

Peja for Artest was rumored on and off for about a year or so. But I suppose you could argue that the Maloof's were pulling the strings on that one..

 

[BMiller52]

What would getting D. Wright do for F. Garcia? It would push him closer to the end of the bench. At the end of the year Artest would have the an option and Wright would be a FA. I have seen some of you say that getting Wright is the main reason for this trade well. If Artest stays and Garcia grows and Wright sees himself not being a starter again next season then he may seek greener pastures. Also on this note would have essentially given up bibby for enders and got rid of his contract 1 year earlier. Sounds great huh? Think again then we have 2 years of medicore pg play and no prospect at that position in sight.. This isn't a good deal UNLESS an Artest deal is in the making and KT or SAR are heading out.

I read on a Miami Heat board that Dorrel Wright's grown to 6'10.5''. Call me crazy but IMO he could play PF if that's true.

 

[dude12]

What would getting D. Wright do for F. Garcia? It would push him closer to the end of the bench. At the end of the year Artest would have the an option and Wright would be a FA. I have seen some of you say that getting Wright is the main reason for this trade well. If Artest stays and Garcia grows and Wright sees himself not being a starter again next season then he may seek greener pastures. Also on this note would have essentially given up bibby for enders and got rid of his contract 1 year earlier. Sounds great huh? Think again then we have 2 years of medicore pg play and no prospect at that position in sight.. This isn't a good deal UNLESS an Artest deal is in the making and KT or SAR are heading out.

Our future PG is probably in college right now. I think your missing the point on the trading of Bibby. If we can get rid of a bad contract along with him, then the reality is that we want to be bad but playing our younger players. Having a top 5 pick in the lottery will take care of our PG woes. Would I like a couple of young players back for Bibby? Absolutely...but I don't think we are going to get that. I'd be ok with the deal.

 

[HaraWish]

Our future PG is probably in college right now. I think your missing the point on the trading of Bibby. If we can get rid of a bad contract along with him, then the reality is that we want to be bad but playing our younger players. Having a top 5 pick in the lottery will take care of our PG woes. Would I like a couple of young players back for Bibby? Absolutely...but I don't think we are going to get that. I'd be ok with the deal.

Or we can acquire a SOLID PG -neither super PG nor mediocre PG - via additional trades. For example, SAR for Earl Watson? (They have exactly same contracts.)

I don't think that losing Bibby automatically means tanking.

 

[Bricklayer]

Or we can acquire a SOLID PG -neither super PG nor mediocre PG - via additional trades. For example, SAR for Earl Watson? (They have exactly same contracts.)

I don't think that losing Bibby automatically means tanking.

Why on Earth would you want to do that?

And "tanking" is intentionally losing games on the court. Making front office moves that lead to more losses now but more wins is the future is not "tanking", its being smart. Not that we do much fo that around here.

 

[Bricklayer]

I read on a Miami Heat board that Dorrel Wright's grown to 6'10.5''. Call me crazy but IMO he could play PF if that's true.

Possibly.

And maybe also the reason why Haslem is sometimes mentioned in trades now by the Heat -- maybe they are thnking of Wright as a PF of the future too.

In any case, not really a key consideration. If you get Wright and he turns out to be better than Cisco and steals his minutes, well then good on us -- we traded for a superior player. The goal isn't to get Cisco minutes just because he's Cisco if we have a better, and younger, guy in the fold. On the other hand, if we trade him and Cisco is better and gets the minutes, not a big deal (assuming Cisco is really better and not just favored by his old pal Reggie) either and Cisco is fine. Of course I do agree that the best case scenario is that Artest is shipped out too, so that there are lots of minutes for BOTH kids to show what they can do. Make that deal, and the Artest to NY one, and I would cheerfully watch a Cisco/Wright/Balkman young hustle trio battle it out at the SF spot.

 

[hrdboild]

I second that. Getting Wright and Balkman would actually make Kings basketball watchable again. Having J Will back for a one season reunion tour would be kinda cool too. This Heat deal seems like the best return for Bibby. I think we could do without Haslem. With the exception of the reliable 10-12 foot jumpshot, Justin Williams can potentially do anything Haslem can for a lot less money. JWill, Wright, and Doleac for Bibby matches salary wise. Dumping Kenny Thomas is probably too much to ask.

 

[Entity]

Our future PG is probably in college right now. I think your missing the point on the trading of Bibby. If we can get rid of a bad contract along with him, then the reality is that we want to be bad but playing our younger players. Having a top 5 pick in the lottery will take care of our PG woes. Would I like a couple of young players back for Bibby? Absolutely...but I don't think we are going to get that. I'd be ok with the deal.

You are right I am missing the point. You talk of this bad contract we are getting rid of. Haslem has a contract of the same length and almost same amount with no real upgrade talent wise. As far as the PG. Are you really pinning the hopes of the future pg on he is PROBABLY in college right now.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Maybe but i think hawes and Justin will get enough time this season if they play hard and play well. I think theus will give time to who deserves it. But if he doesnt then i understand what your saying...i would have no problem trading bibby and reef if thats the case.

Yes, but you simply just can't bench your highly paid, largely healthy vets outright, without getting a chemistry issue. This isnt all on Theus. The front office needs to help him out here, otherwise there very well may be another player revolt.

 

[gunks]

Wright is still growin? How old is he? 16?

 

[Kevin MartinFan]

Yes, but you simply just can't bench your highly paid, largely healthy vets outright, without getting a chemistry issue. This isnt all on Theus. The front office needs to help him out here, otherwise there very well may be another player revolt.

The front office is trying very hard ot get rid of these people but they just arent worth anything. There are posters that think petrie is "sitting on his you know what" but thats a bunch of crap.

 

[kennadog]

Wright is still growin? How old is he? 16?

Young men can continue to grow until about the age of 21. Hawes grew an 1" last year at college. David Robinson grew 6" while he was at the Naval Academy.