Kings @ Mavs Game Thread

[Pedrigues]

Word to the wise:

Do not EVER challenge "worse"...

specially when it´s about the Sacramento Kings...

anything can happen

 

[Alacron]

Mavs were 49 of 80 shooting...

They also had 15 offensive rebounds on those 31 missed shots...

Which means that 16 times during the game, the Mavs missed a shot and we got the ball.

That's an average of 4 times per quarter, or once every three minutes.
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[kennadog]

61.2%--is that a new record? I haven't heard of a team shoot over 60% from the floor in a game.

Thanks goodness we were spared that ignominy...from NBA.com:

Highest field-goal percentage, game
.707-San Antonio at Dallas, April 16, 1983 (53/75)

 

[loopymitch]

I knew I should have slept through this and spared myself the pain. How could you watch it?

 

[Sirius]

New Orleans and Utah lost. No harm done...at least for now.

 

[yanon]

I didn't watch the game. what happened? How did the Kings end with 26rebounds vs Mavs' 44 rebounds? The Kings lacking of size and atheleticism doomed their chance again?

 

[Kings113]

disgusting loss... good is that both Jazz/Hornets lost too.

 

[KingCookie]

Did the Mavs miss a shot all night? Sure didn't seem like it. What a well-oiled machine Avery Johnson's got going over there. I'm impressed.

After that Dallas possession where they missed 7 times, got 7 offensive rebounds, then were handed a simple jumper in the paint....I knew this game was going to get ugly.

I spared myself the agony of watching the majority of the second half.

All can be redeemed if they pull out a win tonight in San Antone. Moving on!

 

[KingCookie]

we held Mavs to 61.2% shooting from the field

The worst part of that...the Mavs kept up their shooting percentage even with their deep bench in the game in a blowout. Actually, I think they increased their % with the bench in. Amazing.

Somebody must've sprinkled Larrydust in their locker room or something...

 

[DocHolliday]

I think night's like last night are going to make the Maloof's lean more to the side of getting a new coach. Once again he showed his unwillingness to really shake up the line-up when things getbad. When you're already down by 20 going into half. Coming out into the 3rd, change up the line up. What is it going to hurt?? You're down by 20, and certain guys are hiting their shots. How about not just backing up Miller with Reef and using Potopenko. Put Ronny price in, see what he can do. PUt Corliss out there. What's it really going to hurt?? That's always been Adelman's main weakness. Unwillingness to try new things. He has his little tight knit rotation that he gets comfortable with and that's it.

 

[Bricklayer]

I think night's like last night are going to make the Maloof's lean more to the side of getting a new coach. Once again he showed his unwillingness to really shake up the line-up when things getbad. When you're already down by 20 going into half. Coming out into the 3rd, change up the line up. What is it going to hurt?? You're down by 20, and certain guys are hiting their shots. How about not just backing up Miller with Reef and using Potopenko. Put Ronny price in, see what he can do. PUt Corliss out there. What's it really going to hurt?? That's always been Adelman's main weakness. Unwillingness to try new things. He has his little tight knit rotation that he gets comfortable with and that's it.

And as I always do, I defy you to name the top coach who does that. Well, other than Larry Brown this year as he's destroyed the Knicks.

There is a good reason too -- you lose your team. You can bring guys in a little quicker int he third, leave them in a little longer, but you don't see Pop starting Beno Udrih in the second half because the Spurs are sluggish and Parker has been stinking it up. Marginal players, platoon situations -- maybe. But never major stalwarts. And that goes for PJ, Riley, Brown before this year, whoever. There are larger concerns than one already lost game.

 

[DocHolliday]

And as I always do, I defy you to name the top coach who does that. Well, other than Larry Brown this year as he's destroyed the Knicks.

There is a good reason too -- you lose your team. You can bring guys in a little quicker int he third, leave them in a little longer, but you don't see Pop starting Beno Udrih in the second half because the Spurs are sluggish and Parker has been stinking it up. Marginal players, platoon situations -- maybe. But never major stalwarts. And that goes for PJ, Riley, Brown before this year, whoever. There are larger concerns than one already lost game.

I'm not talkin about this game. Are you REALLY trying to tell me that no one has questioned Adelman's rotation until me, until this game?? Give me a break. You don't see people like Pop doing that, because his team doesn't get whooped like little bitches.

Why has Potopenko received no playing time? He's a big body. sure he doesn't know the system, but neither did Ron Artest when he got here, but we played him didn't he. Now I'm not trying to compare Potopenko to Artest in talent, only for the fact that they were both knew at one time. You give Potopenko playing time so maybe he can give you help come playoff time as another big body. Not leaving SAR in there to fend off guys that are too much for him to handle.

My overall point is, that since Adelman has ALWAYS been this way, that could make the maloofs lean to the side of not wanting to re-sign him. Some guys that should get a chance never get chances unless the game is already lost. Ala Gerald Wallace. He could have been a good player if we had let him develop and actually play. That's being proven right now.

 

[JJ22L]

I'm not talkin about this game. Are you REALLY trying to tell me that no one has questioned Adelman's rotation until me, until this game?? Give me a break. You don't see people like Pop doing that, because his team doesn't get whooped like little bitches.

Why has Potopenko received no playing time? He's a big body. sure he doesn't know the system, but neither did Ron Artest when he got here, but we played him didn't he. Now I'm not trying to compare Potopenko to Artest in talent, only for the fact that they were both knew at one time. You give Potopenko playing time so maybe he can give you help come playoff time as another big body. Not leaving SAR in there to fend off guys that are too much for him to handle.

My overall point is, that since Adelman has ALWAYS been this way, that could make the maloofs lean to the side of not wanting to re-sign him. Some guys that should get a chance never get chances unless the game is already lost. Ala Gerald Wallace. He could have been a good player if we had let him develop and actually play. That's being proven right now.

Amen on those two points. I can see both sides (yours and bricks), and I agree with variations of both versions...but these two points i do agree with. I can see how many people would respond to that first statement - "Well look at the people Pop has to work with, thats why they arent in a situation getting their *** kicked in the first place". That further proves the point though, Tony parker was a 28th pick in the first round, and we picked wallace as a 25th....look how that went. Its not just the kings doing that tho, so much potential is wasted by every team. Tony parker as of a month ago, had the most points in the paint of anyone in the league at like 13ppg in the paint...thats more then shaq, duncan,brand,garnett,etc etc...

Bruce bowen was UNDRAFTED...and now hes considered one of the best perimter defenders in the league, you think any team wanted to give an undrafted player a chance...which is obvious because he has played for 5 different teams, signed multiple 10 day only contracts...etc etc...The spurs/Popovich gave him a chance...threw him into the rotation...gave him playing time...the rest on that is history (By the way Bowens numbers throughout the years are pathetic...like 6/3 and 7/4...and thats what most people look at for contributing...but hes a starter on the World Champions of the NBA...go figure...life works in odd ways)

Ben Wallace was UNDRAFTED.....enough said

Mix things up, once, twice, sometimes you get miracles, ill admit 90% of the time it dosent work, but that 10% GREATLY outweighs the rest. Those 10%'s of Big Ben's (Roethlisberger or Wallace, take your choice, they both were underrated by drafts/picks), Bowens, Parkers, can lift a team from good to elite....ALA Spurs, ALA, Pistons (Already a great team before Sheed, but that lifted them to elite).

All im saying is, the game was already lost last night, give other people/rotations a chance...who knows..price could be the next tony parker, monia could be the next paul pierce etc etc

There is so much lost potential that is untapped, im not necessarily saying by just the kings..but i mean DAMN..what we had last night WASNT working...if we throw someone else in the lineup we STILL LOSE...big deal...throw corliss in and we still lose, we forget it the next day, throw ______ in the line up, we still lose, we forget it the next day. At least that way, we see what we actually do have. When Bonzi went out we HAD to give the young guns more minutes...uhh..holy crap...we have a bench now...who would have known giving guys game time makes them better/more experienced/more confident (Derrr)...look how much much much more improved cisco and kevin are.... Give Price/Potapenko the same opportunity....and wow, they can contribute, history does repeat itself. Expand the boundaries, if the 7 man rotation we have isnt working and RA wants to stick with the 7 man...uhh..DUHH...find a different 7th man for that situation....adapt..compramise...its how you survive/advance

/rant

 

[kingkung]

And as I always do, I defy you to name the top coach who does that. Well, other than Larry Brown this year as he's destroyed the Knicks.

There is a good reason too -- you lose your team. You can bring guys in a little quicker int he third, leave them in a little longer, but you don't see Pop starting Beno Udrih in the second half because the Spurs are sluggish and Parker has been stinking it up. Marginal players, platoon situations -- maybe. But never major stalwarts. And that goes for PJ, Riley, Brown before this year, whoever. There are larger concerns than one already lost game.

Popovich started Brent Barry over Manu Ginobili in one playoff series because he needed more firepower off the bench. Manu, as a professional, was perfectly fine with it. I'd consider Manu a pretty "major stalwart"... not Duncan, but certainly an all-star caliber player.

 

[Bricklayer]

Popovich started Brent Barry over Manu Ginobili in one playoff series because he needed more firepower off the bench. Manu, as a professional, was perfectly fine with it. I'd consider Manu a pretty "major stalwart"... not Duncan, but certainly an all-star caliber player.

Rick Adleman starts Kenny Thomas over Sahreef Abdur Rahim too. Big whoop. Not the discussion. that's tactical, not kneejerk.

The discussion is whether in real life, dealing with real people, not computer sprites in the most recent NBA Live, that having a coach routinely throw temper tantrums at halftime and just bench all the bums in favor of the scrubs at the end of the bench at the behest of a tempermental fanbase is going to work. It does not. There is a long list of NBA coaches who do that -- the unemployed ones.

These are real people, not computer models. They are also adults, highly paid professionals, and the best in the world, not high school kids who will accept being publicly humiliated. Respect is an enormously key component to all player/coach dealings in the NBA. Confidence possibly ever moreso. There is a reason year after year, season after season, Rick's teams do not implode. Why problem personalities are able to meld in, calm down.

And just as an aside, Vitaly Potapenko and Ronnie Price are NOT bringing you back from a 20pt deficit against the Mavs. Your odds are about 100x better that Mike, Brad, whoever, wake up and bring their near All-Star level skills to bear than scrubs who've never been that good in their lives suddenly morph into supermen.

 

[KingCookie]

I was more hoping that he'd throw some of the deep bench in with the starters to try different combos. With Rick, he just sticks it out with his limited rotation until it's basically hopeless, THEN he puts the deep bench in. Not only is that risking unneccesary injuries to our key players, but the only valuable gametime for those seldom-played guys is meaningful gametime.

Who's to say that throwing Vitaly and Price in with Bonzi/Artest/Martin wouldn't have erased some of that deficit?? You've got to TRY...which it was apparent our starters weren't willing to do once they were down.

I doubt any of the Kings players who stunk it up last night would've felt like they had a foot to stand on in an argument if Rick had benched them. Yes, they're humans, but they're not all egomaniacs. We have a common goal at this point- making the playoffs. They all understand that.

 

[kingkung]

I understand your premise, Brick, that these players are human, and are all professionals, but I don't agree with your conclusions. First of all, everyone on this team is a professional basketball player; not only the starters, but also the bench!! And humans have emotions, and sometimes need a break to recharge, or a chance to play to prove their worth! I am inclined to say that if this were NBA Live, I would NOT sub in the bench players, but would instead stick with my original rotation throughout the game, knowing that their ratings are numerically higher. But, like you said, this is real life, and players sometimes need a spark, players get fatigued, bored, and many times, the difference between 1 and 12 in the NBA is not nearly as significant as people make it out to be. I agree that we shouldn't simply swap teams, and all of a sudden start Price, Potapenko, Monia, and Jason Hart, but like KC said, subbing in one or two in certain situations could benefit the team greatly.