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SacTownKid
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Mr. S£im Citrus said:
If Rick told them to go inside they would have.
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
If the Kings didn't drive inside because they're afraid of Howard, then we might as well make the gold lamé uniforms our permanent ensembles and add purses and cute little feather hats.
Sorry, but we had at least half a dozen opportunities to score in the paint or at least draw fouls and, instead, we kicked out to Hart in the corner or Cisco in the corner. It's stupid; it sucks; and it cost us a game against half a team.
Did they have a reason for Adelman not playing Corliss or Skinner?
Afraid of Howard, my aunt Hannah. He's good but he's not Shaq and I've seen our guys bounce off Shaq like tennis balls against garage doors.
It's simply getting ridiculous. If I - a middle-aged woman in the middle of a forest - can predict what the play is going to be, how hard can it be for ... oh, I don't know ... opposing coaches to figure it out?
Grant and Jerry kept talking about all the good looks Hart and Cisco were getting from the corner. Well, doh!!!
They'd give me good looks from the corner, too. Why? Because it's not much of a threat.
I don't get angry at games very often. I'm angry at this one because it was an abysmal exhibition of coaching.
Boo!
Good job adelman, awesome way to lose such a winnable game. Why the heck was Kevin out so long? It's not like Jason All Heart No Game is a player who is better, in fact, Jason was bricking so many shots it's not even funny. We're probably going to lose tomorrow too, go figure. 1 step forward two steps back.
Also is kenny gonna get suspended for supposedly throwing the ball at the ref? I thought he was throwing it TO him, but I guess it hit the ref instead?
Also is kenny gonna get suspended for supposedly throwing the ball at the ref? I thought he was throwing it TO him, but I guess it hit the ref instead?
OHSacFan
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Great minds think alike. maybe Adelman did not see the same thing I did. Kevin gets double teamed with the ball and four other Kings stand without coming over to support. Kevin and Garcia are back to standing in the corner to help keep the paint clear. When will Adelman realize it is not and will not work. he is wasting talent and everytime he sets that stupid offense E.T. needs to reach over and smack him in the head. You had Orlando Majic commentators wanting to know where 23 was. And do not let me get started on the bad passes that were made after Kevin was yanked.VF21 said:
Bricklayer said:
I beg to have a differing opinion. I watched every blasted second of the game, and pretty carefully since I was doing the PBP. Yes, I saw Brad, Peja and KT go towards the lane and kick out. But why did they kick out? Because either Cisco or Hart was firmly nailed to the corner waiting for them to do so. It happened repeatedly...and I even said so at the time.
Sorry, but I'm not buying the "oh, they were so scared of Howard" crap. If Adelman didn't have his fingerprints all over it, Hart or Cisco wouldn't have continually been there just waiting for the kick out.
Yes, there were a couple of times that were somewhat valid. Howard is a monster. But it was way too easy and it happened way too many times.
I suppose this is just one case where we will disagree pretty vehemently.
Bricklayer
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VF21 said:
You're placing that particular blame in the wrong place. Our guys were scared of Howard period. And I actually would agree with you they may have been TOO scared of Howard at this point in his career. But that's how people with big defensive reps work sometimes. Only have to block a few and everybody turns yellow. It was clear and obvious. Rick had his own coaching issues. Screaming "be scared to take it inside!" wasn't one of them.
Not sure if that was on Comcast in the Sacto area, but if any masochists actually wanted to rewatch that 2nd half it was right there. Reef was the only guy used to working in there enough to go at Howard, and that with very mixed success.
bibbinator
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KP said:
Skinner was good last year until he jammed his thumbs.
Bricklayer
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VF21 said:
Quite. I don't have a shred of doubt why it happened. The Magic have shotblockers, packed the middle, and our guys made the pass to the open guy rather than challenge + force the issue. Theoretically "good basketball". But one of those cases where "good basketball" is also passive scared basketball.
KP said:
Here's a thought. Send Corliss, who is actually pretty fearless, inside and see if he can draw a foul or two from Howard. Then, since Corliss will probably get as many as he draws, send in Skinner for the same thing. You get Howard with 3 or 4 fouls and you just might be able to make some legitimate moves inside without the little sissy boys turning coward and kicking the ball to the bleeping safety valve in the corner, especially since the safety valve wasn't working ... at all.
Peace.
SacTownKid
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Ryle said:Really???
Corliss is one of the only guys we have that can get the ball in the low post and actually score.........Skinner, while not a great offensive player, will AT LEAST DO SOMETHING IN THE PAINT unlike most of our other "bigs".
Skinner is also good at getting a few offensive boards, plenty of opprotunity to get them tonight!
KP
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100% agree. Not sure why Kevin wasn't in there but all and all it was a small matter, we were just off from the 2nd half on. Tons of shots missed we would normally make, tons of bad spacing and stupid turnovers, unlucky breaks on steals where we Almost got it and then couldn't recover. It wasn't our night... Miami is up next. Don't worry you'll get your share of Skinner and Corliss in that one, not so sure if you will be any happier though. The grass isn't always greener...Bricklayer said:
JJ22L
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Ryle said:Really???
Corliss is one of the only guys we have that can get the ball in the low post and actually score.........Skinner, while not a great offensive player, will AT LEAST DO SOMETHING IN THE PAINT unlike most of our other "bigs".
Thank you Ryle...that comment was just ridiculous
Ryle
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VF21 said:
Not sure if everyone read the article in the Bee last week(0bviously the Orlando coaching staff did) when Adelman said he was upset because instead of standing in the corner and waiting for the pass, Garcia and Martin, were actually cutting to the basket. Adelman told them to stay put and they would get the open shots. Tonight they got the open shots and where did it get us???
Bricklayer said:
It would be one thing if the open guy was someone we could count on. Sorry, but I don't figure Hart or Cisco to be nailing killer three's from the corner on a regular basis. It was, IMHO, Adelman's refusal to change the game plan that was most at fault. That and pulling Kevin because of one errant pass.
SacTownKid
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KP said:
So we get to base our opinions of Brian Skinner and Corliss against Shaq, hmmmm... thats a fair one!
We shall see. Maybe the grass is greener.
KP
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Again, Corliss and Skinner are offensively inept. We weren't getting calls for the most part either. We did go inside draw attention and kicked out for WIDE open shots, no one even close, they just didn't go down. I do think Kevin would have hit some of those that Hart missed but other than that there are bigger reasons why we lost this game than RA.VF21 said:
JJ22L
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KP said:
Saying Jason Hart has a wide open shot.....thats a good thing?...RA fouled this one up..bottom line. You ride the winning horse until you lose, you drop the losing horse to try to win. Adelman rode the "get into the lane and dish to the sides for to long"- it didnt work- he didnt adjust- we lose.
KP said:
You don't have to be an offensive stud to draw a foul and get to the free throw line. Had we done that once or twice we'd be "celebrating" a win instead of rehashing that mockery of a game.
Wide open shots that aren't going are useless. at least if you draw a foul you have a chance for one point, if not two. Certainly looks better after a possession than 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0.
Look at the free throw stats. Our shooting percentage in the second half was under 30%. At that point, you pretty much can accept that you're not going to hit the lucky shots from the corner after 40 minutes of play. Draw the foul and go to the line. It's pretty elementary.
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