Kings @ Lakers Game Thread

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piksi

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After the best victory of the season Kings failed to clinch the playoff spot by delivering yet another natural catastrophe in front of the home crowd. Blazers didn't have to try hard to drop Kings to 5-9 and 3-4 at home which hasn't happen in a long, long time. Kings will continue with the horror schedule having 5 more games in the next week where every win would be a bonus. Kings will have a back to back set in Silicon City against the evil empire and a visit in Portland. It has a potential to be brutal but a surprising victory would get us very close to clinch playoffs again.
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Kings hanging around 7th lottery spot and it will take more effort to improve because teams below are at the moment much, much worse. OKC might not even win 15 games.

Playoff chances depend on another victory against an elite team -

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I kinda envy the Trailblazers. Honestly - it is sick what they have and how cheap their team is. After this season - they will have only 41 mil $ committed to salaries when Francis and LaFrenz expire if I am not mistaking. They don't even have to rush. They can wait for 2010 and get one of the guys and be a contender for a long, long time. It took them a while but it was worth it. Many examples on that squad but I like Rudy Fernandez. He makes a chump change or on a big scale - he plays for free if You will. I generally don't like Spanish or Argentinian players for various reason but this guy is good and his main flaw is that he isn't playing for us. -----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am not going to start the "Beat la" thread because at the moment it isn't appropriate mostly because while we do play in the same league - there are worlds in between. They are really good and we aren't. They can rob other teams legally and we can't. Big market vs small market is no match in a long run. I would really like to see us win at least one game against them this season but I don't see it happening and it will be painful.
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Jason Thompson has to make the rookie vs sophomore game in Phoenix and he will provided the minutes stay the same. Hawes has a chance too but that will be little more difficult since no one is really watching us play. Anyways, any time You have kinds like that in the team - no games are wasted, no losses are to horrible, records don't mean anything. 3 years from now provided that rebuilding process continues we will have a young competitive team and we will be talking playoffs.
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Veterans have to go and soon. They aren't providing any leadership whatsoever and they aren't useful for anything else. Moore, Salmons, Miller top the list (KT doesn't count). I don't know who would take them and what we would get but we have no purpose for them whatsoever. Brad and John have occasional good games but also many more bad or mediocre. At this stage I would rather watch Green go 5-15 than Salmons 9-15. Veteran presence in the rebuilding stages is important when they guide the kind without wasting minutes, shots especially when they lack effort and don't defend whatsoever. This problem needs to be solved so we can move forward. Nothing personal here just looking at the bigger and for the Kings much more important picture.
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Every team has 120 minutes per game and that is never enough to satisfy everyone. When Mikki comes back - will he start ? Knowing Muss Junior - we have to expect the worst. Should never happen. The bigger problem is at position 2-3 one we get healthy. Green will pay the price and he won't play much even though he should. With Salmons, Martin, Garcia who will get the 90% of the PT - you have to worry about experiments like JT as small forward or Bobby/Douby as SG. We don't have time to waste here.
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So, You are coming of the best win of the season, You play at home, shoot better than 50%, You don't turn over much and yet You never really had a shot of winning a game and get blown out. You just have to defend. There is no excuse for lack of effort. You can miss shots, make mistakes but You have to defend. Blazer who came to Sacramento with 2-5 road record shot 56#, over 50% from 3pt and out rebounded us by 9. I shouldn't have even been this close. Additionally, it looks like some koolaid was stored in the fridge and used despite the expiring date passing years ago. The famous Muss half time kool aid applied by Muss Junior too.
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AWARD TIME

As the TDM all stars passed trough town it was very difficult to make a decisions here

TDM went to Joel "Wilt' Pryzbilla not because he put dominant numbers bu because he was almost perfect out there
LW-VC went to Sergio Rodriguez because he was the only Blazer that didn't produce
JHA - went to Salmons who turned back into a pumpkin
SAR - Methuselah went to Bobby who couldn't deal with the speed and energy. He looked very old.

WTF moment of the game - the 3rd quarter only because we have no insight what happened during the break.
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On the road against the team that is currently playing best BB in the NBA - will most certainly be a tall order for shorthanded Kings to overcome. Maybe we can pull another miracle here but reality is that we are facing superior team with superior coach and the best referees NBA can provide. We would most certainly need a couple career games to pull this one off. If we reperat the pathetic defense from last night they will most certainly take us apart in a bad, bad way.
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Kevin - get well soon
Brad - get traded sooner
Salmons - ask for a trade
Mikki - go away
Beno - need a big, big game from You

JT, Hawes and Greene - keep it up

rest mateen

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lakers are 10-1 and 5-1 at home having barely played a close game this season. There are too deep to even list players. even Fluke Walton gets to play in the garbage time. I expect Vujacic to get the TDM, Odumb to get the LW-VC and I do expect us not to win this game but hopefully we can make it interesting.
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Andre87

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no K-Mart and Garcia possibly no Moore... we are playing at staples... not that excited about the game...
but hey LAKERS SUCK anyways!
 
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piksi said:
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OKC might not even win 15 games.
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I kinda envy the Trailblazers. Honestly - it is sick what they have and how cheap their team is. After this season - they will have only 41 mil $ committed to salaries when Francis and LaFrenz expire if I am not mistaking. They don't even have to rush. They can wait for 2010 and get one of the guys and be a contender for a long, long time. It took them a while but it was worth it. Many examples on that squad but I like Rudy Fernandez. He makes a chump change or on a big scale - he plays for free if You will. I generally don't like Spanish or Argentinian players for various reason but this guy is good and his main flaw is that he isn't playing for us. -------------
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first OKC is on the right path by firing PJ. We'll see what Brooks can do.

Second We are looking like Portland did last year and the year before. MINUS THE CRAZY LUCK OF LANDING THE #1 PICK GREG ODEN. Oden was such luck and is a beast! but if they didnt have Oden were kinda the same team right now. Petrie is on a drafting/trading roll right now. with the additions of Brown, Greene, Thompson, Hawes, Garcia, and most importantly Kevin Martin. We got a nice core at the moment.

This next draft could be huge like the last few have been. We got 2 first round picks just like last year(Thompson/Greene) in about the same spots as last year, but HIGHER.

Our pick should be 10 or under and the rockets look like they will be limping into the playoffs so, our sec pick could be as high as 16? but probably around 20. So both picks are higher.

if we could land a Imposing ShotBlocker/lock down defender of anysort(altho Hawes is gettin alot of blks) or Legit PG we could be a just as deadly as the Blazers...
 
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piksi

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we could if it wasn't for 4-5 MLE that we will be carrying around for while. Fernandez makes barely over 1 mil $ and Cisco makes 5 mils. Fernandez is a much better player. There are other examples. Just look at their cap for the next season. Hell we still have kenny Thomas for next season. We are nowhere near the Blazers. We are 3 years behind.
 
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Second We are looking like Portland did last year and the year before. MINUS THE CRAZY LUCK OF LANDING THE #1 PICK GREG ODEN. Oden was such luck and is a beast! but if they didnt have Oden were kinda the same team right now. Petrie is on a drafting/trading roll right now. with the additions of Brown, Greene, Thompson, Hawes, Garcia, and most importantly Kevin Martin. We got a nice core at the moment.
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Um, no. We have about half the amount of young talent as them (I mean, come on: Outlaw, Fernandez, Webster, Aldridge, Bayless, Batum, and Frye) and they have none of the cranky old vets in the way that we do. On top of that they have 2 (maybe 3) guys who are on their way to becoming bonafide stars in this league in Roy and Oden and possibly Aldridge. We have one outside shot at a star in K-Mart.

On top of all this, they have a payroll millions of dollars below our own and the talent to possibly bring in a huge player in 2010. We are really worlds apart.
 
HighTopKicks

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sactownfan said:
first OKC is on the right path by firing PJ. We'll see what Brooks can do.

Second We are looking like Portland did last year and the year before. MINUS THE CRAZY LUCK OF LANDING THE #1 PICK GREG ODEN. Oden was such luck and is a beast! but if they didnt have Oden were kinda the same team right now. Petrie is on a drafting/trading roll right now. with the additions of Brown, Greene, Thompson, Hawes, Garcia, and most importantly Kevin Martin. We got a nice core at the moment.

This next draft could be huge like the last few have been. We got 2 first round picks just like last year(Thompson/Greene) in about the same spots as last year, but HIGHER.

Our pick should be 10 or under and the rockets look like they will be limping into the playoffs so, our sec pick could be as high as 16? but probably around 20. So both picks are higher.

if we could land a Imposing ShotBlocker/lock down defender of anysort(altho Hawes is gettin alot of blks) or Legit PG we could be a just as deadly as the Blazers...
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You've targeted our needs accurately, but I doubt we can fill either with the 10 & 20 picks. With the 7 or 8 pick we might get a PG, but I suspect that the top 3 bigs will be gone by 7. With the 20 we might get a good SF or SG, but unless GP pulls another sleeper out of his hat, finding a Imposing ShotBlocker/lock down defender seems impossible.

Unless we can move up to the top 3, I would look to a trade as the best way to improve the interior defense. Some combo of Miller, Moore, Douby & draft pick for a young big and expiring.
 
Bricklayer

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You've targeted our needs accurately, but I doubt we can fill either with the 10 & 20 picks. With the 7 or 8 pick we might get a PG, but I suspect that the top 3 bigs will be gone by 7. With the 20 we might get a good SF or SG, but unless GP pulls another sleeper out of his hat, finding a Imposing ShotBlocker/lock down defender seems impossible.

Unless we can move up to the top 3, I would look to a trade as the best way to improve the interior defense. Some combo of Miller, Moore, Douby & draft pick for a young big and expiring.
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Have I mentioned my Thabeet Gambit recently? ;)
 
HighTopKicks

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and why in the world would anyone - including Memphis do something like that ?
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I can't think of a single reason. Although I did mistype, I meant to say bad contracts in place of expiring. Moore & Douby might be valuable for a team trying to get under the Luxury Tax but what they would be willing to give up is beyond me. Miller and Houston's 1st round choice might look good to someone looking for help now and cap space in 2010.

I'll leave the trades to the experts like GP. I do stand by my opinion that when we are healthy, we'll be too good to get a top 6 draft pick. And, that will make filling any of our needs by way of the draft, very iffy. And, filling all our needs impossible.
 
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Have I mentioned my Thabeet Gambit recently? ;)
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Assuming he comes out for the draft and doesn't stay in school, I did expect him to be in the top 3 bigs taken in the draft, and taken before the 7th pick. Therefore, leaving us with only the PG position still available at picks 7 through 10.

Besides, I don't think we need a top 5 big, although it couldn't hurt. Miller only gives us 12 & 10 and 5 assists. That isn't much for $12M. Hibbert would give us the 12 & 10 with shot blocking at a much lower price, and wouldn't take minutes away from JT & Hawes. Hawes playing the high post is capable of making up for most of the 5 assists.

Hibbert isn't my first choice. He just came to mind because Miller said he wanted to retire with Indiana. Troy Murphy & Hibbert for Miller and a 1st round pick works for me.
 
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Um, no. We have about half the amount of young talent as them (I mean, come on: Outlaw, Fernandez, Webster, Aldridge, Bayless, Batum, and Frye) and they have none of the cranky old vets in the way that we do. On top of that they have 2 (maybe 3) guys who are on their way to becoming bonafide stars in this league in Roy and Oden and possibly Aldridge. We have one outside shot at a star in K-Mart.

On top of all this, they have a payroll millions of dollars below our own and the talent to possibly bring in a huge player in 2010. We are really worlds apart.
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Were not that far away.

I expect that Petrie is actively looking to trade Miller this year. If Miller is traded we'd be either getting more young prospects, picks, or cap room. Petrie is in full swing with collecting talented youth right now. I could see a Felton type PG in return for Miller.

And im gonna guarantee that Petrie hits a home run with one of the 2 picks we have in the next draft. Although he could very well find 2 gems.

Moore, Jackson, Williams, and Douby are gone after this year. thats about 15mil off the books, plus Thomas is serious trade bait next year and could even still be trade bait this year. ???

we've got a good core of youth right now. READ more from Hollinger 5 gems

4. Man, that's a heck of a rookie crop in Sacramento, huh? Already, Jason Thompson and Bobby Brown have impressed, and now here comes Donte Greene to add to the fun. The 6-foot-9 small forward got an out-of-the-blue start last night and scored 15 points on just nine shots as the Kings stunned the Hornets in New Orleans 105-96, without Kevin Martin, Francisco Garcia and Mikki Moore.

I had set the bar pretty low for Sacramento this season, but it's apparent that with a strong rookie class and a big second-year step-up from Spencer Hawes (more coming on him today in my All-Surprises team), the Kings will be closer to competence than I had expected. This isn't a playoff team by any stretch -- they had scarcely been competitive on the road before yesterday -- but it's nice to see the youth movement bearing some fruit.
 
6th

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There may be a world of difference between the Kings and Lakers, but I don't care. I must say it.


BEAT LA!!!!
 
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Have I mentioned my Thabeet Gambit recently? ;)
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you haven't mentioned it enough. For only like the 3rd time you and I are on the same page as far as need for our team. A viable option coming off the bench for JT and Hawes that rebounds and blocks shots. I don't care if he scores 4 pts. He must be a force inside and even if he don't block the shot the shooter must be on his *** for even thinking of coming inside.
 
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Obviously the Earth would continue along its axis of rotation if the Lakers do beat us, as their firepower and defensive ability so far this season has yet to be matched by any other team in the league. Unless they really take it easy against us or do a complete 360 in whatever they applied to their other games this season, I really see little hope for us. Obviously I hope Thompson, Hawes and perhaps Greene will produce, but against the Lakers' sort of bigs it might be quite hard to do. Hopefully Salmons doesn't get into those ballhogging ways yet again. Keep in mind we got swept by their "worse" team last year (lost series 0-3), and lost six of our last seven against them. We did beat Nawlins, but they had a myriad of issues least of not which was their lack of bench depth and their deteriorating D--the Lakers have both, to the extreme.

Several other things--we shoot well from the field, but we are 28th in the league giving up 104 ppg to the opposition (the Lakers average 105). If we continue that trend instead of bucking it, we could be in for a long night. And we allow 42% three point shooting from the opposition--if we have even a remote chance of winning, we have to really buckle down here on guys like Fisher, Farmar, Radmanovic, and others--and that means Beno should not go underneath screens and leave guys open as he did with Blake. We also rebound not surprisingly, horribly--third to last in the league, while the Lakers are top 3 material--again, if this holds, another long night. We also turn the ball over a lot (bottom 10 in league) while Lakers are the best stealing team in the league--again, need to buck that trend. Anyhow, it's hard to get a lot of these variables necessary for winning to fall in our favor, and that's why it will be difficult to win, especially away from home. It's clearly a team that's not very good against a team that's on the elite level.
 
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Bricklayer

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Keys to keeping this respectable are probably Beno and Salmons. Salmons has to have a big game, on both sides of the ball frustrating Kobe. And Beno has to have one of his normal Staples center games (which is to say career night). Then we get to lose by only 15. ;)
 
kf4l

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Looking forward to this game. Should be a good matchup between Hawes and Bynum. Hawes needs to continue being aggressive with his rebounding and shotblocking. Hopefully Salmons bounces back and provides stellar defense if nothing else. He will need to bring his A game against Kobe. Thompson hopefully will continue to build success following the game against Portland.
 
6th

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Beno can hold his own in the Staples Center. Hawes/Miller will beat Bynum. Every other Laker will have an off shooting night. Kings win by 1, shocking both Laker fans and Kings Fans alike. Kings fans will then dance around thinking that this win will project them into the playoffs. :p
 
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If history is any indication, Beno will do fine. The Lakers' weakest position seems to be PG, and Beno always shows up in those big games. I recall Douby had a career high 32 against this team as well, albeit mostly in garbagetime, so hopefully he can flash some of his scoring potential here as well, even if he more than likely will not be here at the end of the season. I think Hawes will score--a player with diverse an offensive repertoire as he has will always find opportunities--and he's confident (and cocky?) enough to assert them, even if his decision making on how to dictate his offense at times is questionable. Thompson can go either way--if he hustles his heart out, it can work, but I think he'll struggle to get opportunities against a bit frontcourt. Brad Miller--eh--don't think he'll do well; he doesn't respond well against bigger athletic centers. Salmons is a wildcard--he sometimes doesn't have a conscience, and will barrel his way down the lane without abandon and like a black hole and considering how he perceives himself as a go-to guy of sorts that can really disrupt our offense and end the game in a blowout early; I don't think he'll fare well, given his returns against this team, and his general mentality as of late.
 
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Hawes will defend Gasol better. But he'll be eaten by Bynum.
Thompson will be much better on Bynum but he'll get his own sets of blocked attempts.

Lakers SF will have career night. But Kobe will evened by Salmons, who by far is one of the best Kobe defender in the league.

Kings will win by 3, 98-95.
 
gunks

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K-Mart makes a surprise return and lights the Lakers up for 47 pts
Beno does his scoring thang whilst adding on 15 assists with no TOs
Salmons shuts Hogie Bryant down and outscores him on the other end 23 to 17
JT destroys Pau and gets his second double double in a row, a very solid 18/15
Hawes scores 23 as he gets Bynum in foul trouble with nifty post moves, while at the same time throwing a block party for whoever tries to drive (6blks)
And off the bench Dante adds 36....12/12 from beyond the arc


Kings lose by 26 (our defense continues to suck)
 
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tradepeja

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gunks said:
K-Mart makes a surprise return and lights the Lakers up for 47 pts
Beno does his scoring thang whilst adding on 15 assists with no TOs
Salmons shuts Hogie Bryant down and outscores him on the other end 23 to 17
JT destroys Pau and gets his second double double in a row, a very solid 18/15
Hawes scores 23 as he gets Bynum in foul trouble with nifty post moves, while at the same time throwing a block party for whoever tries to drive (6blks)
And off the bench Dante adds 36....12/12 from beyond the arc


Kings lose by 26 (our defense continues to suck)
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Best laugh I've had on here in a while.
 
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