Kings/Jazz

[nbrans]

Alright, so, there are rumors cropping up that Kirilenko is on the block yet again, which has more urgency for the Jazz since they want to try and keep Boozer next offseason without going over the luxury tax. I think we could make them a pretty competitive offer.

Salmons
Bobby Jackson
Shelden Williams

for

Andre Kirilenko

Here's why the Jazz might think about it. Salmons steps in as their starting SF alongside Brewer and would be a good glue guy for them. Bobby Jackson gives them the veteran backup PG they need, and Shelden.... well, he's expiring. The most important aspect of this deal is that they get $10 million in expirings this offseason to retain Boozer.

And I think this makes sense for the Kings. Kirilenko is still only 27 and while he's never really meshed with Sloan he's still a defensive game changer and could be a good complement with Martin. The biggest consideration for the Kings is that his contract stretches past 2010, but take Salmons out of the mix and there still could be some cap room if things are handled correctly.

Also, this deal couldn't officially happen for another two months because Bobby Jackson was just traded, so we'd have to start another countdown.
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[6th]

Don't you countdown a dang thing. And, leave Bobby out of your trade scenarios.

 

[nbrans]

Sorry! We can root for Bobby competing for a championship -- as much as I want to see him in Sacramento, he really belongs on a team in the hunt in the playoffs.

 

[Amory]

Don't you countdown a dang thing. And, leave Bobby out of your trade scenarios.

I love Kirilenko, but please not Bobby!!!

 

[VF21]

Sorry! We can root for Bobby competing for a championship -- as much as I want to see him in Sacramento, he really belongs on a team in the hunt in the playoffs.

I think that's Bobby's choice to make, and he's made it pretty clear he's happy to finish his career in Sacramento.

As far as AK-47 goes, the Jazz are NOT going to bite on that kind of crap deal.

And IMHO? We do NOT start countdowns to get rid of players like Bobby.

 

[Bricklayer]

Would obviously part wiht Bobby again in a second to get an AK47, if he is indeed only 27? I would put him a couple of years above that.

But that's also a really big contract he's carrying around. I'd do it -- defenisve reolplayer is exactly what's called for given the potential softenss of our young bigs (not to mention old bigs). But that would be the caproom killer, would it not?

 

[VF21]

If we're going to really buy into the "rebuilding" mode, we have to forget about grabbing the AK-47's of the NBA right now. And I still don't think that's anything CLOSE to the best deal the Jazz could make.

We need those expirings just as much, if not more, than Utah does.

 

[Bricklayer]

If we're going to really buy into the "rebuilding" mode, we have to forget about grabbing the AK-47's of the NBA right now. And I still don't think that's anything CLOSE to the best deal the Jazz could make.

We need those expirings just as much, if not more, than Utah does.

That's why the age there is criitcal. I should just go look it up. But Beno is going to be 26 here in a month or two, and Kevin a month or two after that. If Ak47 is really only 27, its not that far off. Same age as Cisco. Pretty much the absolutel cutoff age, but maybe...don't know. Borderline. If he was 29, no good. If he's 24. Perfect. 27...

Edit -- yeah, just checked. Kevin was born Feb 1, 1983. Ak47 Feb 18, 1981. Little less than two years older. Its a conceivable gap I think, albeit not optimal.

 

[SacKings7]

If we're going to really buy into the "rebuilding" mode, we have to forget about grabbing the AK-47's of the NBA right now. And I still don't think that's anything CLOSE to the best deal the Jazz could make.

We need those expirings just as much, if not more, than Utah does.

Agreed 100%. Kirilenko is just not what we need right now, 27 or not. He has a huge contract that I'm guessing runs at least 3 more years. That makes all our previous efforts at getting cap room for 2010 a waste. I'd rather take my chances on signing a star than trading for Kirilenko, who by the way, is no star.

 

[NME]

Ideally, we should be looking to gather more players on the younger side of that line and leave Kevin and Beno as the grizzled vets of the group.

It might be worth it if you could guarantee me that 16/8 3blk AK47 would return rather than the current 11/5 1.5blk + $13 mil model.

 

[BritishColumbia]

Beno
Martin
Kirilenko
Thompson
Hawes

Actually, not that bad (in 2 years). Kirilenko is not only a good defender/sb/rebounder. Sometimes, people forget that he is a very good passer. However, I do not think that he will ever play for the Kings.

 

[JerN820]

Ideally, we should be looking to gather more players on the younger side of that line and leave Kevin and Beno as the grizzled vets of the group.

It might be worth it if you could guarantee me that 16/8 3blk AK47 would return rather than the current 11/5 1.5blk + $13 mil model.

Agreed. We should just stick to taking chances on younger players. AK is pretty good, but what would he really bring to this team? Not many more wins. I think when it comes to rebuilding, many fans get too excited about just decent players they can bring in for a quick fix, when in fact they wont really bring anything special to the table. That's the difference between becoming and staying average and having a shot at being very good down the line.

 

[bajaden]

I actually wouldn't mind Kirilenko on the team. He's only 27 years old, and would certainly bring a defensive presence. Utah might bite if we included Moore in the package instead of Bjax. They need help in the big dept more than the point guard dept. and Moore is an expiring after this year. Considering that the only reason they want to move Kirelenko is because of salary cap problems.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Agreed. We should just stick to taking chances on younger players. AK is pretty good, but what would he really bring to this team? Not many more wins. I think when it comes to rebuilding, many fans get too excited about just decent players they can bring in for a quick fix, when in fact they wont really bring anything special to the table. That's the difference between becoming and staying average and having a shot at being very good down the line.

agreed. we should be loading up on young talent.

 

[quick dog]

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Beno
Martin
Kirilenko
Thompson
Hawes

Win or lose, I would like to watch this team.

 

[NewMonkey]

Ideally, we should be looking to gather more players on the younger side of that line and leave Kevin and Beno as the grizzled vets of the group.

It might be worth it if you could guarantee me that 16/8 3blk AK47 would return rather than the current 11/5 1.5blk + $13 mil model.

That's exactly what I was going to say. I do it if it's the Kirilenko from 05-06, but not for the guy we've seen the last few years. Any chance they want to take on Kenny Thomas instead of Bobby Jackson? No? Sharp stick in the eye is better? OK, can't hurt to ask.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

To OP, Naw, I wouldnt give up Salmons yet. This is his year to truly break out and gain some good value. We could possibly get alot more then AK47 for him closer to this years deadline. Or we could just keep Salmons and have a great running lineup.

 

[FakeInjury]

Uneven at best. The Jazz have no hope of getting into the second round of the playoffs without AK47...and no hope of winning a championship with AK47...3 subs for 1 allstar... very uneven. First AK47 was supposedly being traded for Marion(early last year). So lets assume he is Marion. Marion for BJax, Salmons, and Expiring is laughable. Therfore AK for the same is just as laughable. No offence, b/c its a great proposal if the Jazz are REALLY about saving money and retaining BOOZ. But we all know the Jazz like to WIN. They would rather sit on their hands than trade AK47 for gar-bage. The Jazz would ask for Thompson just to make us say peace out on this deal.