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If Cousins or Favors are gone.

Deal #1 - #5
Deal #2 - #5 + Hawes
Deal #3 - #5 + Greene or Casspi
for
Utah
#9 + Wesley Matthews (6'5" 220 SG)

Kings Draft #9 - Cole Aldrich (will Detroit pick Aldrich at #7???)
Kings fill team needs with good young players. Matthews is slight older. He turned 23 in Feb.
 
If I am reading that right your first deal is the #5 for the #9 and an undrafted roleplayer named Wes Matthews, and your second and third deals are completely insane variations where we pour talented youth toward Utah for the incredible honor of moving down in the draft?
 
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If Cousins or Favors are gone.

Deal #1 - #5
Deal #2 - #5 + Hawes
Deal #3 - #5 + Greene or Casspi
for
Utah
#9 + Wesley Matthews (6'5" 220 SG)

Kings Draft #9 - Cole Aldrich (will Detroit pick Aldrich at #7???)
Kings fill team needs with good young players. Matthews is slight older. He turned 23 in Feb.

Wes Matthews huh? Whoa.
 
Didn't think Matthews value was that low. Is the first deal acceptable at least???


The first would at least be a thought sure, if we really didn't have anybody we liked at #5 and thought we could get our guy at #9. But I rather strongly suspect Matthews is a product of that Utah system and would be nothing more than a limited minute reserve here. A new Ime or Mo Evans type. Every good team needs one or two of those guys, but you don't want to burn actual talent to get them.
 
Why not offer the #5 to Utah in the hope they can talk Ostertag out of retirement while we're at it. :eek:

Trading away talent for the opportunity to draft #9 instead of #5. Ummm......no way.
 
Instead of just being mean maybe someone can point out why it won't work and try to fix it in a mature manner.

I really don't see Utah letting Matthews go at this point- he's too valuable to them.
 
If Cousins or Favors are gone.

Deal #1 - #5
Deal #2 - #5 + Hawes
Deal #3 - #5 + Greene or Casspi
for
Utah
#9 + Wesley Matthews (6'5" 220 SG)

Kings Draft #9 - Cole Aldrich (will Detroit pick Aldrich at #7???)
Kings fill team needs with good young players. Matthews is slight older. He turned 23 in Feb.

You should be banned for this.
 
not to be mean but trade offer sucks. shooting guards are a dime a dozen. matthews was undrafted as well... i'm sure if we closed our eyes and swirled our hands in a bowl w/ names of SG's we could pick up a serviceable one IF we were in dire need of it. i thought francisco is a SG?
 
Did I say Wesley Matthews? I meant Wesley Johnson! I'm already in the electric chair now I need someone to turn on the switch.

Kings trade Hawes, Greene or Casspi
for
Utah #9
Kings Draft #5 - Wesley Johnson, #9 - Cole Aldrich

am I fried yet???
 
I like Wes Johnson. I think he'd be a great compliment to Tyreke. As a wing player with athleticism, shooting ability, the potential to be a good defender and a willingness to defer I think he'd make a good running mate.

That said the Kings biggest need is for an interior defender. Someone with the strength to play man-to-man post defense without getting backed under the hoop for easy points (see Hawes, Spencer) and who also is a solid rebounder and ideally a shotblocker and good help defender. If that player can also be a go to scorer in the post then all the better.

The question is whether Aldrich is that guy. I don't think he is. I see at best a marginal upgrade defensively, hopefully better rebounding but a step backwards offensively. Especially if he really is onl 6'10" and 236 lbs.

I wouldn't mind picking up a second 1st round pick to add a contributing role player - and this draft has plenty of guys that could be solid NBA contributors but the Kings have serviiceable/decent or better players at every position. What they DON'T have is a second star to pair with Tyreke. If Geoff sees one in this draft (especially if it's a big but even if it IS a guy like Turner/Johnson/Aminu) then doing what needs to be done to get that guy should be THE goal.
 
The question is whether Aldrich is that guy. I don't think he is. I see at best a marginal upgrade defensively, hopefully better rebounding but a step backwards offensively. Especially if he really is onl 6'10" and 236 lbs.

Aldrich is miles better than any big we have defensively, and he'd be replacing Hawes whose defense is really just a rumor- there's no comparison. Hawes is too inconsistent to have his offense be a major asset to this team so it's all positives from my perspective.

Aldrich has extremely long arms and a large frame, he possesses great timing for swatting shots and rebounds very well. He plays larger than what the measuring tape shows, and I can't recall a time that he was out-muscled in college even when facing much heavier players. To me the proof is in the pudding. Watching him play means more to me than seeing his measurements.

It's more important to get scoring from the 4 position than 5. From the 5 I want defense, rebounding and shot blocking. These attributes are deemed cheap at this forum. They are thought of as being easily obtained through free agency or the like, but it never comes. Guys say they want rebounding and defense yet it's not worth the 5th pick. At this point it's worth much more than that to me.
 
NO TO COLE ALDRICH! DO NOT WANT. Mix being undersized with not being overly athletic and not having any offensive game and youve got uselessness. Stop raving about him. The guy is NOT THAT SPECIAL. Can anyone tell that im fed up with the erroneous claims about Aldrich?
 
I don't think this is a good deal at all.. We trade one of our youngsters AND our pick for a later pick, and a p[layer who isn't as good as the person we are trading? Utah does it in a heartbeat.
 
Did I say Wesley Matthews? I meant Wesley Johnson! I'm already in the electric chair now I need someone to turn on the switch.

Kings trade Hawes, Greene or Casspi
for
Utah #9
Kings Draft #5 - Wesley Johnson, #9 - Cole Aldrich

am I fried yet???
You can say whatever about Cole Aldrich, but I think after the measurements I wouldn't consider exchanging the softie 7-footer Hawes ( who can be good as our back-up center ) neither our other 6' 11" Thompson or Greene for Aldrich.

Although unlikely, Cole Aldrich might turn out to be another good player but severely undersized for the position he would be playing for the team. I can just imagine how things would be going playing Aldrich and Landry at the same time against the real BIGs in the NBA.

If they only want Casspi ( and have money to take Beno, Garcia, Nocioni or all of the three ), then we have a deal.:D
 
Courtesy: draftexpress .com

Predraft measurements - Height w/o Shoes, Height w/shoes, Weight, Wingspan, Standing Reach

Cole Aldrich 6' 9", 6' 11.25", 236, 7' 4.75", 9' 3.5"

Joakim Noah 6' 10.5", 7' 0", 223, 7' 1.25", 8' 10.5", Currently listed 6' 11" 232 at nba .com
Emeka Okafor 6' 8.75", 6' 10", 257, 7' 4", 9' 2.5" Currently listed 6' 10" 255 at nba .com

STRENGHTS: Efficiency, Likes to mix it up inside, Pick n roll play, Relatively mistake-free, Ability to establish position in post, Back to basket Scoring, Excellent hands, Activity level, Defensive fundamentals, Defensive Post Presence, Shot-blocking skills, Experience, Physical Toughness, Role-player potential, Understands limitations, Excellent wingspan, Mobility, Size for position, Solid frame
Best Case: Rich Man's Joel Przybilla
 
NO TO COLE ALDRICH! DO NOT WANT. Mix being undersized with not being overly athletic and not having any offensive game and youve got uselessness. Stop raving about him. The guy is NOT THAT SPECIAL. Can anyone tell that im fed up with the erroneous claims about Aldrich?

Then don't read my posts. Of course you don't want Cole Aldridge- that would put an end to the lip service you all pay to wanting defense and actually DO something about it. 'Round these parts we don't sign defensive players silly, we talk about them. We talk about how we believe in defense and want defensive players and love defense blah blah blah. Make sure we spend our picks on Spencer Hawes type players though.

He does have an offensive game actually- he has a decent back to basket game. Have you ever seen him play? The only one that has made erroneous claims about Aldridge is you.

And the size thing- show me where it has been an issue for Aldrich in the past. Alonzo Mourning was not 7' tall and he was relatively thin when he came into the league. Aldridge's arms are very long and he has a huge reach- excellent for his position of CENTER.

I'm fed up too- fed up with the lies from "King's Fans" that say they want a defensive center but wouldn't spend a free second round pick to get it.

Ah... it does feel good to let it out don't it Chupacabra? :D
 
Then don't read my posts. Of course you don't want Cole Aldridge- that would put an end to the lip service you all pay to wanting defense and actually DO something about it. 'Round these parts we don't sign defensive players silly, we talk about them. We talk about how we believe in defense and want defensive players and love defense blah blah blah. Make sure we spend our picks on Spencer Hawes type players though.

He does have an offensive game actually- he has a decent back to basket game. Have you ever seen him play? The only one that has made erroneous claims about Aldridge is you.

And the size thing- show me where it has been an issue for Aldrich in the past. Alonzo Mourning was not 7' tall and he was relatively thin when he came into the league. Aldridge's arms are very long and he has a huge reach- excellent for his position of CENTER.

I'm fed up too- fed up with the lies from "King's Fans" that say they want a defensive center but wouldn't spend a free second round pick to get it.

Ah... it does feel good to let it out don't it Chupacabra? :D
In my original post i didnt quote you. So theres no reason to think im aiming at you. My problem with Aldrich is that i dont buy him being a stopper in the NBA. Theres no conspiracy involving talking about getting a defensive bigman and then secretly hoping we dont get one. I honestly dont think Cole Aldrich will address the issue of interior defense as well as other players in the draft. The infatuation with Aldrich on this board make me scratch my head.
 
In my original post i didnt quote you. So theres no reason to think im aiming at you. My problem with Aldrich is that i dont buy him being a stopper in the NBA. Theres no conspiracy involving talking about getting a defensive bigman and then secretly hoping we dont get one. I honestly dont think Cole Aldrich will address the issue of interior defense as well as other players in the draft. The infatuation with Aldrich on this board make me scratch my head.

Nothing personal I was just venting too. Also I never suggest there was a conspiracy just that there is a discrepancy between what is said and done.

Here are some quotes from Draft Express that back me up:

"Defensively, Aldrich has terrific lower body strength which renders him extremely difficult to back down in the post. This makes him a very useful player to counter against the type of old-school back to the basket centers (Shaq, Yao, Marc Gasol, etc) that are still found in today’s NBA, something that many teams just don’t have. He uses his outstanding wingspan very effectively to contest shots in the paint, being very fundamentally sound in the way he gets his long arms right in his defender’s face to deny good looks at the basket."

"Perhaps Aldrich’s biggest asset defensively revolves around his shot-blocking ability, where he yet again ranks in the top 5 amongst draft prospects, thanks to his terrific length and timing. He’s the type of shot-blocker who stays out of foul trouble, rarely goal-tends and usually keeps balls in-bounds on top of that, often showing the wherewithal to tip it to a teammate and ignite the fast break, which is a big plus."

"While some may balk at using an extremely high pick on a player who projects as a very effective defender and rebounder and limited scorer, big men with Aldrich’s physical tools are very difficult to come by. Even though his upside may not be off the charts, he doesn’t have very much downside either, as you pretty much know what you’re getting here, which is an excellent all-around role-player, and an Academic All-American on top of that."

I've been saying I want defense in the middle for a long time and I meant it. If Cousins is off the table then this is the guy that will do us the most good IMO.

Who is it you're thinking would do a better job of interior defense that would be available for us?
 
Answering the last question; Ekpe Udoh, Ed Davis, Hassan Whiteside. Dont care about any statistical comparison. I know what ive seen lol. Hassan Whiteside is quite a flyer of a pick and a project as well, if hes well coached he could be a shotblocking force. If we do draft Aldrich, ill get on board and hope he destroys.
 
I like all those players but not for this pick. Udoh reminds me too much of Jason Thompson only he's a better passer ie we already have what he brings. Hassan is a physical specimen but doesn't have enough weight to keep the big guys out of the paint, plus he makes Aldrich look like a well rounded player. Davis is in need of bulking up as well, and we need a center more than a PF.

None of those guys have anywhere near the interior defense that Aldrich provides IMO, and he does it from the center position which we need help at. Choosing sucks, wish we could take Hassan and Aldrich as well as Johnson and Aminu. :p
 
In my original post i didnt quote you. So theres no reason to think im aiming at you. My problem with Aldrich is that i dont buy him being a stopper in the NBA. Theres no conspiracy involving talking about getting a defensive bigman and then secretly hoping we dont get one. I honestly dont think Cole Aldrich will address the issue of interior defense as well as other players in the draft. The infatuation with Aldrich on this board make me scratch my head.

I guess you were aiming at me then since I suggested the trade. That's fine. Although I don't recall hyping him up or anything. Maybe your right. Nobody really knows how good he'll be in the nba. All I know is he's been in the top 10 mock drafts and is projected to be the best defensive big. That has to account for something. I agree we should be going after star potential with our pick but if noone is there go after imo what we desperately need a young defensive big. TBH it doesn't have to be Aldrich. I'll be happy with any defensive big wether we draft, trade or sign(FA) for one. But since were a young team I'd prefer him to be young as well.
 
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