Kings free agency, part 3
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SacTownKid
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I noticed on the Kings site he was there at the practice facility during Willie's workout and they talked so he's probably in the plans.
Jkbiker
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Arturas GudaitisLithuania Birthday: 6/19/93 NBA Position: Power Forward Class: International Ht: 6-10 Wt: 255 Team: Zalgiris Kaunas Hometown: Klaipeda, Lithuania Team Site Profile Statistics Euroleague Statistics
2015 Mock: 47Big Board: 56NBA Comparison: Darius Songaila
Strenghts: Standing 6-10, he has good size for the role also from the muscular standpoint, he’s strong and athletic with solid leaping abilities ... Furthermore, he shows great mobility and explosiveness, being really effective in P&R situations, where his footwork and speed allow him to be a threat after the cut, closing often with dunks ... His game is based facing the basket, with an above the average ability to put the ball on the floor for a big man ... In addition, he shows a remarkable shooting range – beyond the three point line – which makes him a difficult miss match to manage for the typical big men. Defensively he’s a good intimidator especially with the help defense thanks to his ability as a shot blocker.
Weaknesses: Even if he’s solid and well developed from the muscular standpoint he needs to become better at withstanding contact when opponents body him ... His post game needs improvements, he’s not effective as a creator in the post with the ball in his hands ... He needs to work on his shooting mechanics, as he has a slow and unorthodox release, lacking fluidity, that will prove difficult to get off, and also limiting his range ... He has to work on his moves and fakes, and footwork with his back to the basket, and these limitations often lead to turnovers ... He’s more effective with momentum to the basket after the cut ... His team has been giving him a rather limited role this year: work in the paint, screens, rebounds, therefore he still needs to be tested as a reliable offensive option ...
2015 Mock: 47Big Board: 56NBA Comparison: Darius Songaila
Strenghts: Standing 6-10, he has good size for the role also from the muscular standpoint, he’s strong and athletic with solid leaping abilities ... Furthermore, he shows great mobility and explosiveness, being really effective in P&R situations, where his footwork and speed allow him to be a threat after the cut, closing often with dunks ... His game is based facing the basket, with an above the average ability to put the ball on the floor for a big man ... In addition, he shows a remarkable shooting range – beyond the three point line – which makes him a difficult miss match to manage for the typical big men. Defensively he’s a good intimidator especially with the help defense thanks to his ability as a shot blocker.
Weaknesses: Even if he’s solid and well developed from the muscular standpoint he needs to become better at withstanding contact when opponents body him ... His post game needs improvements, he’s not effective as a creator in the post with the ball in his hands ... He needs to work on his shooting mechanics, as he has a slow and unorthodox release, lacking fluidity, that will prove difficult to get off, and also limiting his range ... He has to work on his moves and fakes, and footwork with his back to the basket, and these limitations often lead to turnovers ... He’s more effective with momentum to the basket after the cut ... His team has been giving him a rather limited role this year: work in the paint, screens, rebounds, therefore he still needs to be tested as a reliable offensive option ...
Entity
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About to go turn sprinklers on
SacTownKid
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Just realized that Gudaitis was a teammate of James Anderson.
Jkbiker
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maybe compete with moreland for 5th big (Cuz,koufos,Josh,WCS)
Showtime
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Money isn't everything. The free agents that turned down more money to play elsewhere should have proven that already. Some people want to like where they work. Some people don't want to feel like they are wasting their efforts, and that is just normal 9-5 guys, let alone guys who only get a handful of years in a specific industry. West did turn down over 10mil to make this move, but he's been in the league 12 years, and made over 87 million in his career. I doubt he'd rather have another 10 mil than a championship at this point.
Jkbiker
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Cuz,Koufos,Gudatis
Josh,WCS,Moreland
Gay,Casspi,Mitrovic
Ben,Belinelli,Anderson
Rondo,Collison,RayMac
We have Great starting 5, Great Bench Mob, and 5 2nd rounder types for injury insurance
Josh on Remaining cap space, Casspi on Room Exception, 2 Euros and Anderson on min contracts
Josh,WCS,Moreland
Gay,Casspi,Mitrovic
Ben,Belinelli,Anderson
Rondo,Collison,RayMac
We have Great starting 5, Great Bench Mob, and 5 2nd rounder types for injury insurance
Josh on Remaining cap space, Casspi on Room Exception, 2 Euros and Anderson on min contracts
twslam07
All-Star
I wouldn't mind having Josh Smith but not if he is going to start. We need a low usage player starting next to Cousins. I'm fine with either Cauley-Stein (if he proves he is ready) or Koufos. Let Collison & Smith be the the higher usage players off the bench. Smith off the bench should bring good balance to our team. Smith in the starting lineup could disrupt that.
I don't see those guys coming over this offseason. And if they did I don't know that they'd sign minimum deals.
I think Josh Smith and then minimum deals for a guy like DeAndre Liggins (or maybe James Jones) and a minimum deal for a center like Hollins, Cole Aldrich or Jeff Withey would be an ideal finish to the free agency period.
I think Josh Smith and then minimum deals for a guy like DeAndre Liggins (or maybe James Jones) and a minimum deal for a center like Hollins, Cole Aldrich or Jeff Withey would be an ideal finish to the free agency period.
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Jkbiker
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both of those options work for me
If Josh is ok with that, Was Josh starting or bench with the Mavs? I forget?
Maybe depending on matchups? Big or Small?
Either way I love the 10man line up , very deep, and still 3 deep at all positions
I think except for Big Cuz and Rudy, even if we lost 1 or 2 of the remaining ten
we could still be a threat
Jkbiker
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You mean smith right? Then why were these guys real 2nd round players in draft if they would not come over for 2nd round money?
Coming! Coming!
I'm not going to even remotely speculate on the tax implications of whether he's being paid by Detroit or another club.
As to what is termed the "offset" - if (when) Smith signs a contract with another team (NBA, Euro even) Detroit is allowed to reduce the amount of money they owe him by one-half of the excess of his contract over the league minimum. A simple rule of thumb is that for any contract Smith signs, he is going to get $1M and then one-half of everything on top of $1M in addition to the full amount of his previously-waived contract. So if he signs for $3M, he gets $2M. If he signs for $5M, he gets $3M. Those values are on top. (Technically he gets the full amount from his current team and Detroit pays less, but that's how it works out.)
So anyway, he does have an incentive to get the biggest contract he can, but it's basically only half the incentive that he would have had if he hadn't been waived.
Bballkingsrock
All-Star
I think we should try to focus on getting that stretch 4 first. We already have 2 centers that will clog up the paint and be bad for spacing. Time to get a stretch 4 like a Dorell Wright or a Hansbourough.
jcwkings
All-Star
I could see a starting lineup of
Rondo
Ben or Bellineli
Casspi
Gay
Cousins
Basically have the most perimeter threats whenever Rondo is on the floor.
Main Bench Unit
Collison
Ben or Bellinelli
Gay or Casspi
WCS
Koufos
Transitional Unit/Alternative Unit/Dual PG lineup
Rondo
Collison
Bellineli or Ben
Gay or Casspi
Cousins
Big Unit
Rondo
Ben
Gay
WCS or Koufos
Cousins or Koufos
Defensive Unit
Rondo
Ben
Gay or Casspi
Koufos or WCS
Cousins
Spacing Unit/ Feed Cuz and space floor lineup
Collison
Bellinelli
Casspi or Ben
Gay or Casspi
Cousins
I think we should abide by the rule that one of Cousins or Gay should be on the floor at all times to be the offensive focal point.
Rondo
Ben or Bellineli
Casspi
Gay
Cousins
Basically have the most perimeter threats whenever Rondo is on the floor.
Main Bench Unit
Collison
Ben or Bellinelli
Gay or Casspi
WCS
Koufos
Transitional Unit/Alternative Unit/Dual PG lineup
Rondo
Collison
Bellineli or Ben
Gay or Casspi
Cousins
Big Unit
Rondo
Ben
Gay
WCS or Koufos
Cousins or Koufos
Defensive Unit
Rondo
Ben
Gay or Casspi
Koufos or WCS
Cousins
Spacing Unit/ Feed Cuz and space floor lineup
Collison
Bellinelli
Casspi or Ben
Gay or Casspi
Cousins
I think we should abide by the rule that one of Cousins or Gay should be on the floor at all times to be the offensive focal point.
Yes Smith. Edited.
As for the 2nd round guys, it isn't like college freshmen who have to declare. Once international players hit the draft eligible age they can be drafted regardless of whether they plan to come over or not. Lots are drafted in part because they don't plan to come over right away, making them a future investment.
For the players it behooves them to wait three years because then they aren't beholden to the rookie wage scale.
gunks
Hall of Famer
Gross. Why? Hollins is a flaming bag of doo doo on the court. I'd rather give those 4mpg to Moreland.
Peter_Gibbons
Starter
Josh wants nothing more than to play with/for people who want him. With money already secured from the pistons contract, anything is just icing on the cake.
Rudy knows josh can't pass up playing with him and Rondo.
Rudy knows josh can't pass up playing with him and Rondo.
Jojimbo
G-League
I hope that's the case, I think he'd do well in Karl's system as long as he plays to his strengths.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
N0tmyfault
Bench
I'm clueless on the cap rules, but if this were the case - why would we give Smith 3.6 Mil, instead of the vet minimum if Detroit is on the hook for the rest of the 7.7?
Fear the Putin
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It's ridiculous to even think of letting a cheap contract in Moreland go. First off, that's another shot blocking big as insurance on the bench. Second, we have yet to see how much he has improved. I'd rather have him than a clueless Hollins in there who's only really good for being Mateen Cleaves on the bench.
As for Josh Smith, I don't want him stealing time from Omri. Unless they both come off the bench as a 3 & 4 along with WCS.
As for Josh Smith, I don't want him stealing time from Omri. Unless they both come off the bench as a 3 & 4 along with WCS.
EIM86
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-b...the-nba-s-2015-free-agent-turn-225441763.html
If any other team got the players we got, they would have said, "A+++++++".
If any other team got the players we got, they would have said, "A+++++++".
lawlman91
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Rule #2: The amount of players that are on the floor without an outside shot should be less than or equal to 2.
Agreed. Kings were dammed either way this offseason. Sign a big name and we're chasing reputation. Small names and nothing big. Do nothing and we haven't improved. Make big changes and we're pointlessly turning over the roster.
All you need to read in that article is that they named the lakers a winner.
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