Kings expected to sign Mike Brown to long-term 10 million dollar per year extension
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Why is it "a no brainer" to sign him, instead of seeing how things go for another season...the 3rd year of the agreement? If things go well and everyone is still happy, then sign him. If things aren't improving and feel stagnant, as in still not a threat to contend, then you still have the option of going another direction if someone else becomes available that you're interested in.
If someone else wants to sign him for a huge contract for not being a contender or even a 2nd round playoff team, then let them...or if he does turn the Kings into a contender next season, but wants to drop his team on the rise for more than ~10 mil per, then let him. I can't see this happening.
I'd say the same thing about Sabonis, Monk, or anyone else, if someone wanted to sign them for more than they're really worth
If someone else wants to sign him for a huge contract for not being a contender or even a 2nd round playoff team, then let them...or if he does turn the Kings into a contender next season, but wants to drop his team on the rise for more than ~10 mil per, then let him. I can't see this happening.
I'd say the same thing about Sabonis, Monk, or anyone else, if someone wanted to sign them for more than they're really worth
We did extend Sabonis and Fox a year before we "had" to and we went into their FA offseason without worrying about them. We could not extend Monk and now he is the biggest question mark and a bit of a curse on this offseason. Free agents like to know who their coach is likely to be. Coaches like to feel treated well. While I think asking for a do-over on your contract so early is a choice, had the Kings locked him up to 4 years as standard practice without the option he wouldn't be trying to renegotiate the year before his option is up. Chauncey Billups got a 4 year and for some inexplicable reason the Blazers haven't fired him. A coach might think the Kings are cheap if they don't take care of him and look at the Blazers and say wow, they gave Chauncey four years despite being an obviously horrible coach.
If you are waffling on locking him up after the two seasons he just had we should just move on right now. I think the majority of us feel that would be a mistake.
If you are waffling on locking him up after the two seasons he just had we should just move on right now. I think the majority of us feel that would be a mistake.
I don't know why anyone would feel obligated to move on now if they didn't want to... and not after allowing him the last guaranteed year of the agreement? At this point in his contract, there is something in between making a further longer more expensive commitment to him or firing him.
Most of us have a greater sense of urgency and work harder, when a deadline is on the horizon. We see it all the time with players in a contract year.
If the Kings end up a lower seed next season again and don't make the playoffs, I don't know why they wouldn't want the opportunity to evaluate everything, including the coach who just finished his guaranteed contract agreement
Most of us have a greater sense of urgency and work harder, when a deadline is on the horizon. We see it all the time with players in a contract year.
If the Kings end up a lower seed next season again and don't make the playoffs, I don't know why they wouldn't want the opportunity to evaluate everything, including the coach who just finished his guaranteed contract agreement
Basically the fourth year of his contract doesn't exist. It is a mutual option. So this is his lame duck year. It is customary when a coach isn't on the hot seat to extend them so they don't go into the year as a lame duck.
It is as simple as that. Not extending him may as well be letting him go, it certainly is a F-You if we don't.
It is as simple as that. Not extending him may as well be letting him go, it certainly is a F-You if we don't.
I think there's something to be said about "doing things right" as an organization. Reward Domas as a franchise player. Eventually reward Fox as a franchise player. Give Brown the extension after being a key reason we've had back to back winning seasons.
We soon forget the last good coach we had we fired mid-season because our best player was sick. It's been a damn long road to get back to somewhat respectable as a franchise.
And hopefully we don't have to consider this for a long long time, but think about the next head coach if Brown doesn't work out. What sort of candidates are going to line up if they see we DIDN'T extend Brown and made him coach for an extension after the 2 years we just had. Would be the same nonsense Kings
We soon forget the last good coach we had we fired mid-season because our best player was sick. It's been a damn long road to get back to somewhat respectable as a franchise.
And hopefully we don't have to consider this for a long long time, but think about the next head coach if Brown doesn't work out. What sort of candidates are going to line up if they see we DIDN'T extend Brown and made him coach for an extension after the 2 years we just had. Would be the same nonsense Kings
What, exactly, is the downside of extending his contract now?
- "Sense of urgency and work harder"? If you didn't get coach's sense of urgency all season you were watching a different set of preseason and post-game press conferences than I was. He knows how hard the season is and was pushing for improvement from last year. And this urgency carries over to the players. For instance, Fox was training with the coaching staff during his freaking honeymoon and was working out constantly with Keegan (see Keegan's defensive improvements this year as a result). Sabonis changed his diet, dropped all social media, had DC helping him out with offseason workouts to keep improving, and declared his desire to finish up his career as a Sacramento King based on how things have been going with this team and the fans (Domantas Sabonis hopes to retire with Kings, expresses love for Sacramento – NBC Sports Bay Area & California). The coaching staff and team know what's at stake. The players have a good relationship with him and overall he's a good coach.
- "End up a lower seed next season again"? Lower than what? What if Fox and Murray go down with long-term injuries and we win 45 games and the 10th seed? Is that not good enough for you? The west can be incredibly brutal and even winning records don't guarantee any playoff berth.
- "Just finished his guaranteed contract agreement"? Yeah, that basically means unemployed as a coach. Unless things went really downhill (and they didn't), you don't leave a good coach on the hot seat for a lame duck year unless you intend to let them go. That's not fair to the coach, their staff, or the players. It doesn't provide any continuity throughout the year and it creates franchise instability for signing new players in FA, etc.
- The money doesn't count against any salary cap so who cares if he's getting paid for another 4± years or not at this point (or whatever it might be)? It's Monopoly money to fans - doesn't matter one way or another.
- Why are we even considering pushing a good coach out the door? He's the first one we've had since Malone and you saw how that turned out. This team needs stability and have been playing games after the end of the regular season for the first time in over 1.5 decades with Brown at the helm. Who would you realistically replace him with that's proven better at this point? I'd say the biggest issue is personnel and that's more on Monte than Brown (and I think Monte has generally done a good job).
I don't necessarily buy into the "lame duck" theory. If he's able to elevate the team further in his 3rd year and they're satisfied with the overall job he's doing, then they can sign him again, after the initial contract agreement has finished. You can say the 4th year of the contract "doesn't really exist",... but the the 3rd year does exist.
I don't automatically believe that not extending him now will detract from how he's able to coach or that the players would respond any different to him.
I'm not suggesting pushing him out the door at this point. I am suggesting keeping options open for the future after next season, within a contract that was agreed upon.
How many years are you willing to give him, if they're not able to become a contender or a even a 2nd round playoff team? Obviously it depends on circumstances, but if he posts winning regular season records, will that always be enough? For me, the prior history of the franchise should not factor into how the current GM operates and evaluates things.
I don't automatically believe that not extending him now will detract from how he's able to coach or that the players would respond any different to him.
I'm not suggesting pushing him out the door at this point. I am suggesting keeping options open for the future after next season, within a contract that was agreed upon.
How many years are you willing to give him, if they're not able to become a contender or a even a 2nd round playoff team? Obviously it depends on circumstances, but if he posts winning regular season records, will that always be enough? For me, the prior history of the franchise should not factor into how the current GM operates and evaluates things.
Whether you buy into it or not, it exists.
If he's a lame duck coach, he's coaching to save his job, not necessarily to continue to make the team better. Those don't always perfectly align.
Every coach with a lame duck contract technically has their "future options open" by definition. You don't want to have a good coach go into their last season wondering if they have a job because they will definitely find one elsewhere instead.
For me, if he has a good rapport with the FO and players and the team is showing improvement, I'd be hesitant to let him go. Remember Mike Malone?
And yes, I do consider past team performance in this decision. What do you think will happen if we fire Brown and replace him with another Walton, or whoever? How long do you think fans will be around when you royally screwed the pooch on keeping a good coach that has the team competing for the PO when you yet again replace him with who knows what??? Unless you absolutely have something better in hand, you don't get rid of the good on speculation. Ever hear about throwing out the baby with the bathwater?
You never answered who we could reasonably bring in that's better (especially that might be cheaper).
He could still get fired after next season if it implodes, contract or not. All that matters is how much Monopoly money the team would pay him if they did extend his contract. That doesn't stop you from changing coaches later if you want.
If he's a lame duck coach, he's coaching to save his job, not necessarily to continue to make the team better. Those don't always perfectly align.
Every coach with a lame duck contract technically has their "future options open" by definition. You don't want to have a good coach go into their last season wondering if they have a job because they will definitely find one elsewhere instead.
For me, if he has a good rapport with the FO and players and the team is showing improvement, I'd be hesitant to let him go. Remember Mike Malone?
And yes, I do consider past team performance in this decision. What do you think will happen if we fire Brown and replace him with another Walton, or whoever? How long do you think fans will be around when you royally screwed the pooch on keeping a good coach that has the team competing for the PO when you yet again replace him with who knows what??? Unless you absolutely have something better in hand, you don't get rid of the good on speculation. Ever hear about throwing out the baby with the bathwater?
You never answered who we could reasonably bring in that's better (especially that might be cheaper).
He could still get fired after next season if it implodes, contract or not. All that matters is how much Monopoly money the team would pay him if they did extend his contract. That doesn't stop you from changing coaches later if you want.
The point is that there could be a better coach available after next season, when the last guaranteed year of his contract has finished. I don't want him gone now and don't want to bring anyone else in now.
If things don't go well next season, I'd prefer to have the options fully open, without having to fire someone. I think they'd be less likely to think of making a change, even if it was justified, if they had just extended him the year before. In other words, limiting options when you don't have to and "locking him up" before it's necessary
If things don't go well next season, I'd prefer to have the options fully open, without having to fire someone. I think they'd be less likely to think of making a change, even if it was justified, if they had just extended him the year before. In other words, limiting options when you don't have to and "locking him up" before it's necessary
Not picking up a contract option, or renewing a contract is in fact "firing" them in just about any measurable fashion. FFS we did not renew Adelman's contract and 17 years later everyone questions why we fired him. Perceptions matter.
I look at it a lot more like insuring he doesn't leave us for greener pastures, or at least insuring we get compensation if he does want to leave.
I look at it a lot more like insuring he doesn't leave us for greener pastures, or at least insuring we get compensation if he does want to leave.
This team has fired coaches numerous times before their contracts were up. That isn't going to slow anyone down if Spolestra all of a sudden wants to coach the Kings if we only win 10 games next season. 
If you think Spo or Pop is going to all of a sudden want to come to Sac I think you are barking up the wrong tree. I'd still like to know which coach that is significantly better than Brown is going to come to Sac after next year.
If you think Spo or Pop is going to all of a sudden want to come to Sac I think you are barking up the wrong tree. I'd still like to know which coach that is significantly better than Brown is going to come to Sac after next year.
The amazing thing in all of this is that some people think that Brown has done something to warrant having firing him threads. He’s done a good job here. Players have improved, defense has improved, wjen You look at the injuries sustained last year, no one can honestly say the Kings underachieved unless your wearing a tinfoil conspiracy hat.
Im glad he’s going to be locked up so the process can continue with he and Monte joined at the hip.
Im glad he’s going to be locked up so the process can continue with he and Monte joined at the hip.
This team has fired coaches numerous times before their contracts were up. That isn't going to slow anyone down if Spolestra all of a sudden wants to coach the Kings if we only win 10 games next season.
If you think Spo or Pop is going to all of a sudden want to come to Sac I think you are barking up the wrong tree. I'd still like to know which coach that is significantly better than Brown is going to come to Sac after next year.
If you think Spo or Pop is going to all of a sudden want to come to Sac I think you are barking up the wrong tree. I'd still like to know which coach that is significantly better than Brown is going to come to Sac after next year.
The Maloofs believed the team was still a contender and wanted him out, iirc he felt done dirty.
imho it’s all well and good to roll the dice on not extending Brown if you have an upgrade path in mind, I don’t think we do or that one exists. The most intriguing may have been Jordi and that ship has sailed.
imho it’s all well and good to roll the dice on not extending Brown if you have an upgrade path in mind, I don’t think we do or that one exists. The most intriguing may have been Jordi and that ship has sailed.
I said he's good, not great. (I think we need to go back to the offense we had his first year here a bit more, frankly, with more cutting, passing, and attacking the hoop, for instance.) But the players seem to love him and he is the first coach in over 15 years to break our playoff drought. That kind of stuff counts for a lot in my book.
It's not just "whether they would actually sign with the Kings" (and, like you imply, that might be difficult, especially if they let Brown go in another sign of team instability), but who would also be available. Good coaches generally tend to stay where they are (unless, like the Kings, you just willy-nilly keep firing the good along with the bad).
I'd still be interested to see a list of coaches you think are better than Brown that would be available and likely to sign with us if we let Brown go after next season for whatever reason, but it doesn't seem you are all that interested in providing one. I'm thinking the list would be pretty darn short (to maybe none?), especially if we keep underpaying and not retaining coaches, even good ones. We have a history of that we should be trying to change.
It's not just "whether they would actually sign with the Kings" (and, like you imply, that might be difficult, especially if they let Brown go in another sign of team instability), but who would also be available. Good coaches generally tend to stay where they are (unless, like the Kings, you just willy-nilly keep firing the good along with the bad).
I'd still be interested to see a list of coaches you think are better than Brown that would be available and likely to sign with us if we let Brown go after next season for whatever reason, but it doesn't seem you are all that interested in providing one. I'm thinking the list would be pretty darn short (to maybe none?), especially if we keep underpaying and not retaining coaches, even good ones. We have a history of that we should be trying to change.
