Kings Draft Day / Offseason Plan

[OvechKiN]

Here is what I think can happen for us this upcoming draft day:
(Would only work if we finally get some luck and get the 1st overall pick)

1)
To Kings: Jeff Green + 4th OV
To OKC: Francisco Garcia + 1st OV
Blake Griffin is too valuable to OKC not to make an attempt to acquire him.
Garcia can also start at the 2 for them.

Westbrook
Garcia
Durant
Griffin
XXX


2)
To Kings: Eddie House + Brian Scalabrine + Tony Allen
To Celtics: Andres Nocioni
(Petrie has to pull the trigger this time around with Jeff Green)
Kings would then waive them all and House + Allen can return to Boston as the team wishes.

3)
To Kings: Baron Davis + Clips 2nd (33rdish)
To Clippers: Beno Udrih + Kenny Thomas (EXP)
Clips had big interest in Udrih in the offseason, and may still be with Benos recent turnaround. They are definitely regretting the Davis signing, but I think Davis can bounce back on our team. KT is a valuable expiring as well, and in a weak draft, they may be willing move down from a top 5 pick to a ~25th OV pick as well to get out of Davis' deal.

Kings Lineup:

Baron Davis / Brandon Jennings^^ / Stephen Curry (Houstons 1st)
Kevin Martin / Rashad McCants (I think he can stick)
Jeff Green / Donte Greene (I like the Green(e) tandem here)
Jason Thompson / Clips 2nd
Spencer Hawes / Donatas Motiejunas (Kings 2nd)

Looks like a pretty exciting 11 man rotation. One that the Maloofs can afford at least.

Thoughts? Hopefully I'm being realistic and not dreaming.....

 

[Kings Faithful]

I would much rather put Nocioni in the trade with OKC for Greene than give up Garcia. I think we need to keep either Garcia or Nocioni because their both role players that every team needs and I think we can only spare one of them. Gauging from last night if Nocioni plays well I wouldn't mind keeping him honestly, unless the right deal comes along of course. I think we would be better off Going for Ramon Sessions or Raymond Felton this offseason than getting Baron Davis. Davis is kind of a ball consumer and we need some young talent to grow with our current core.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Where did we get SAs pick? If we're going to just steal picks, may as well just take the top picks without giving anything up.

Secondly, I don't think any of those are realistic. Boston deal may have happened at the deadline, but GP liked what Nocioni brings. I don't think Boston will want that deal at the end of the year, and isn't Scalabrine expiring this year anyway?

I don't think OKC would do that deal, Green is alot better than Cisco. And the third deal is very unrealistic. No way would Clips do that. Could get far more for Davis and top 3 pick.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I have a hard time believing anyone would accept Nocioni's contract. Also, what would we want with Baron Davis? He's too injury prone, he's too old, and his contract is too long for what we're trying to accomplish.

 

[OvechKiN]

Where did we get SAs pick? If we're going to just steal picks, may as well just take the top picks without giving anything up.

Secondly, I don't think any of those are realistic. Boston deal may have happened at the deadline, but GP liked what Nocioni brings. I don't think Boston will want that deal at the end of the year, and isn't Scalabrine expiring this year anyway?

I don't think OKC would do that deal, Green is alot better than Cisco. And the third deal is very unrealistic. No way would Clips do that. Could get far more for Davis and top 3 pick.

SA pick comes from the 1st deal.
Scalabrine expires next year I think. But I can see Boston doing this as Nocionis deal declines every year. 7.5M next year, but only 6.5M and 6M the years after. I think they may do this once they figure that they are missing someone like Nocioni (they had Posey last year) for the playoffs.

OKC may not do it as Green is great, but he is a natural 3, where they have a far better Durant. Griffin is a much better option at the 4 (also his hometown i think), not to mention Griffin is also suppose to be much better than anyone else in this draft. Griffin 1st, Harden 2nd, then the drop off is even bigger, but those are also the 2 positions in which we have a legit starter in (the only 2). Cisco would give them a good role playing SG starter who does not need to dominate the ball. They have Durant and Griffin to do all the scoring.

If you have seen Davis play, his contract and what Clippers fans have to say about him, you may think that it is somewhat possible. They had interest in Udrih before going with Davis after Udrih turned them down this offseason and get a huge 8.5M expiring in Thomas.
Udrih + Thomas >> Davis
~3rd OV >>>> ~25th OV
I agree, but we can always add our early 2nd, which may be more valuable than a late 1st nowadays (especially a weak draft).

 

[VF21]

Baron Davis is a total and complete deal killer at this point in time. We do NOT want to go backwards. We've worked to hard at suckatude to get something like Baron Davis in return.

 

[OvechKiN]

I have a hard time believing anyone would accept Nocioni's contract. Also, what would we want with Baron Davis? He's too injury prone, he's too old, and his contract is too long for what we're trying to accomplish.

29 yrs old and kinda injury prone with a bad/long contract.
Its the only reason we can pry the Clips pick along with this year being a weak draft.
But Davis may be able to bring some fans into the arena. Something we desperately need.

 

[OvechKiN]

Modified a bit out of our favour.

 

[VF21]

Sorry, but Baron Davis will NOT bring fans into Arco. In fact, if anything, more might actually stay away.

Geoff Petrie and the Maloofs are not going to be taking steps backwards, doing things that actually impede the road to the future. Baron Davis would not be an asset to us in any way.

If we get Blake Griffin, we aren't going to turn around and trade him away. Petrie will build through the draft at this point, IMHO, and not make any more multiple-player, multiple-team deals unless it's to move expiring contracts next season for more draft picks.

Baron Davis / Brandon Jennings^^ / Stephen Curry (Houstons 1st)
Kevin Martin / Rashad McCants (I think he can stick)
Jeff Green / Donte Greene (I like the Green(e) tandem here)
Jason Thompson / Clips 2nd
Spencer Hawes / Donatas Motiejunas (Kings 2nd)[/;quote]

That team does not impress me in any way. In fact, I'd have to think a long time before I'd travel the two hours to see them in person.

 

[Nighthawk1]

29 yrs old and kinda injury prone with a bad/long contract.
Its the only reason we can pry the Clips pick along with this year being a weak draft.
But Davis may be able to bring some fans into the arena. Something we desperately need.

He may also drive fans away from the arena. Most Sac fans would hate him being on this team. Me included. I'm tired of seeing Baron Davis to Sac trades, I still haven't heard one logical reason for it besides he's better then Beno (which isn't hard currently) but I view him as another black hole like Salmons.

I think A team would deal for Nocioni after he shows his increased productivity here in Sac. I'm not so sure the Celtics will do it, but maybe a team that needs his toughness to get over the hump for a championship run might pull the trigger on him. He's also good trade bait for a sign and trade along with Houston's pick...

I think OKC would do that deal, i think we have a few options that could convince them to easily do a deal such as that...

 

[Vlade4GM]

29 yrs old and kinda injury prone with a bad/long contract.
Its the only reason we can pry the Clips pick along with this year being a weak draft.
But Davis may be able to bring some fans into the arena. Something we desperately need.

Even if that's true, it's not a good enough reason.

 

[VF21]

^^You might want to update your signature, Vlade4GM...

 

[Gary]

Baron Freaking Davis? LOL nooooooooo way.. Baron Davis has always been a loser, and will continue to be a loser wherever he goes.

 

[vikinginferno]

Baron Davis is a good guy and all, but his play isn't what we want or need on this team. We need to get another young piece or two to get close to a finished puzzle, but we don't want to try and stick the wrong piece somewhere or else it will only send us back.

 

[steelevt]

i really dont understand why there is so much hate for baron davis here. i understand the the contract and injury prone argument and maybe even the age, but calling him a loser and saying he would drive fans away? sometimes it feels like some people on this forum thinks that no one is good enough to ever play on this great 12-45 team of ours. baron davis helped the warriors get to second round of the playoffs while averaging like 20ppg and 8 assists. this year his scoring has dropped off but hes still a lot better than what we have. and as for turning fans away. i personally know a few friends that actually drove 2 hours to go to warriors games to watch him instead of watching kings games that would be closer cuz he brought excitement to the arena as opposed to what the kings brought. imagine a kings player on espn dunking or dropping a dime as opposed to just getting dunked on in a 30 pt loss. im not saying he'll fix the kings, or if he's even what we need ( i personally think the contract/age might hinder our rebuilding efforts). but some people have to lighten up with the possible trade talks. i highly doubt everyone was 100% on board with trading for cwebb, signing vlade, or drafting jason williams. everyone has some baggage but a team like us needs to take some risks. its not like lebron dwade or bosh are dying to come to sac. if we get a star player, theres gonna have to be some baggage, otherwise theyd be playing in a more marketable city.

 

[Sarunas]

Baron has always been my favorite player to watch, and he has always been one of the most entertaining guys in the league, but I still wouldnt want him here just due to age/money. It would be pointless to take on a contract like his right now if we're trying to rebuild with youth. Heck, Eric Gordon is quickly becoming the #1 guy on that clips team. Davis is just not worth the trouble right now. I would be all for trading our #1/nocioni or #1/maybe cisco for OKC's pick and Green. I think Green is going to be a VERY good player in this league. I'd rather take westbrook though...but thats not happening.

 

[HighTopKicks]

Here is what I think can happen for us this upcoming draft day:
(Would only work if we finally get some luck and get the 1st overall pick)

1)
To Kings: Jeff Green + 4th OV
To OKC: Francisco Garcia + 1st OV
Blake Griffin is too valuable to OKC not to make an attempt to acquire him.
Garcia can also start at the 2 for them.

Westbrook
Garcia
Durant
Griffin
XXX


2)
To Kings: Eddie House + Brian Scalabrine + Tony Allen
To Celtics: Andres Nocioni
(Petrie has to pull the trigger this time around with Jeff Green)
Kings would then waive them all and House + Allen can return to Boston as the team wishes.

3)
To Kings: Baron Davis + Clips 2nd (33rdish)
To Clippers: Beno Udrih + Kenny Thomas (EXP)
Clips had big interest in Udrih in the offseason, and may still be with Benos recent turnaround. They are definitely regretting the Davis signing, but I think Davis can bounce back on our team. KT is a valuable expiring as well, and in a weak draft, they may be willing move down from a top 5 pick to a ~25th OV pick as well to get out of Davis' deal.

Kings Lineup:

Baron Davis / Brandon Jennings^^ / Stephen Curry (Houstons 1st)
Kevin Martin / Rashad McCants (I think he can stick)
Jeff Green / Donte Greene (I like the Green(e) tandem here)
Jason Thompson / Clips 2nd
Spencer Hawes / Donatas Motiejunas (Kings 2nd)

Looks like a pretty exciting 11 man rotation. One that the Maloofs can afford at least.

Thoughts? Hopefully I'm being realistic and not dreaming.....

I like your thinking as far as acquiring Green, but I think we can do better than Jennings. Your basicly giving up the #1 pick for the 2007 5th pick and a backup PG.

I also (just my opinion) would take Thabeet if I couldn't have Griffin. Just because OK doesn't get the 1st pick doesn't mean that they automaticly move down to 4th. So, if OK got 2nd & we got #1, here's what I'd do.

Swap picks : OK gets Griffin; we get Thabeet.
OK trades us Green for Nocioni
with the extra cap space about $4M: $11M total
We trade the Bucks: Houston's pick & Greene for Sessions in a sign & trade.

PG: Sessions, Beno
SG: Martin, Cisco
SF: Green, Cisco
PF: JT, Hawes
C: Thabeet, Hawes

 

[steelevt]

i know this problem has come up in other threads, which is why i think OKC might already be thinking this. but if we already have JT as our starting pf, why do we need griffin? if we get the #1 and they get the #2, wouldnt they take the risk of us drafting thabeet, as opposed to giving up the #2 (which could still land them griffin), and giving up one of their core players?

 

[vikinginferno]

It's kind of stupid how we are all talking as if the Kings have like a 99% chance of getting the first pick. Even if we stay as the worst team, it is still only a 25% chance of winning. So, more likely than not, we will be getting the second, third, or maybe even the fourth pick in the draft.

 

[asakkings]

Yea, in recent years the worst teams hasnt been getting the #1 pick, so we shouldnt jump the gun. And rumor has it that the lottery is rigged, even than it would be in NBAs best interest to just give us the #1 pick to revitilize this franchise.

I really like Hightopkicks idea, that rotation would be very solid.

 

[Nighthawk1]

A) Highly unlikely we -sign- a Star, we'll more than likely end up trading for one much like in Webber's case

B) Most people will see Baron Davis as the anti-rebuild plan, and for you to think he's the sole reason why Golden State was lighting it up last year is crazy, he's done absolutely nothing with the Clippers. Trading for people who are in their prime or close to being at the end of it isn't a smart move in a rebuild plan.

C) I think Blake Griffin might end up being a better player then JT, of course no one knows, but if we get Griffin why do we need JT? That's not to say I'll be too upset if they trade Griffin's rights away to another lottery team for their pick(s) + a prospect or something of that nature...

 

[jdbraver]

If healthy Baron is a top 5 pg, he can completely take over a game. Unlike anyone on the team right now. The kings should take what they can get, which isn't much. If you were a big time star would you want to be on this team?

 

[kf4l]

Clippers need a new coach. Baron Davis was balling in GS because of the type of offense the Ws played.

 

[steelevt]

B) Most people will see Baron Davis as the anti-rebuild plan, and for you to think he's the sole reason why Golden State was lighting it up last year is crazy, he's done absolutely nothing with the Clippers. Trading for people who are in their prime or close to being at the end of it isn't a smart move in a rebuild plan.

i agree that davis might not be the answer to our rebuild, i just disagree with people calling him a loser and saying he would turn away fans. i also said he "helped" the warriors get to the playoffs but never said he was the sole reason, but i will say he was a big part and i dont think they would have done as well if they didnt have him. chris webber wasnt the sole reason we did as well as we did back in the day, but would we have done what we did without him? as for doing nothing with the clips, he's avg like 15 points and 8 assists, which isnt too bad in my book for a pg. besides, i truly believe the clippers are a cursed franchise. i can only remember like 1 season in this past decade where they were over 500. i said davis was a good pg, i never said he was a magician.

 

[vikinginferno]

i agree that davis might not be the answer to our rebuild, i just disagree with people calling him a loser and saying he would turn away fans. i also said he "helped" the warriors get to the playoffs but never said he was the sole reason, but i will say he was a big part and i dont think they would have done as well if they didnt have him. chris webber wasnt the sole reason we did as well as we did back in the day, but would we have done what we did without him? as for doing nothing with the clips, he's avg like 15 points and 8 assists, which isnt too bad in my book for a pg. besides, i truly believe the clippers are a cursed franchise. i can only remember like 1 season in this past decade where they were over 500. i said davis was a good pg, i never said he was a magician.

No, they just suck, straight up.

 

[kennadog]

Baron Davis is exactly the wrong choice for a young, rebuilding team.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

And rumor has it that the lottery is rigged

The lottery is not rigged. Each team even gets to send an observer into the room where the draw is done. Rumor, like the National Enquirer, has learned that sensationalism sells better than fact.

 

[kingsnation]

ESPN: Money tight for 09 free agent class

This summer, things should only get worse. The NBA is suffering from the financial crisis, too. For the first time in a while, the NBA salary cap is projected to go down. So is the luxury tax threshold. With owners feeling the pain, this market is looking like one of the worst ever for free agents.

The other key factor is LeBron James. A number of teams are trying to make cap space for the summer of 2010. That happens to be the summer when LeBron, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, among other stars, can hit free agency. So for the first time in years, teams like the New York Knicks are being financially responsible.

Those two factors should end up causing major problems for a good but no longer stellar free-agent class of 2009.

With the trade deadline now passed, here's an updated look at who could be available in 2009.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=09FreeAgents-090226

 

[CruzDude]

1. IMHO Noce is staying long term as starting SF

2. Garcia is much more potent as the 6th guy off bench a la Manu

3. No old vet starters if rebuild is to work, ie., no Baron D.

4. As to draft doesn't really matter where Kings end up. If not Griffin then look for GP to trade down a bit and pick up a good PG in the process.

5. Jennings is too raw, too unknown and has a NY street ball type attitude. That's not someone to build around. Rubio yes but unlikely he gets out of Europe this year as his buy-out is more than even #1 in draft and NBA limits teams to $500k toward euro buyouts anyway (somewhere $2M pops up as buyout max????) but I think Rubio's buyout is around $4M.

6. Other posters are right that we need to see more minutes for the rest of the 7 to see what they offer. Or............maybe GP and crew already have minds made up on a bottom 2-3.........

7. GP has liked Gooden for several years. Look for Kings to sign him for 2-3 year this summer. (March 1, 9pm. So much for knowing what I'm talking about!)

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