Kings - By the Numbers (offensively)

[Folsom Al]

Based upon last years stats:

Player .................. PPG
Bibby ................... 19.6
Wells ................... 10.4
Peja .................... 20.1
Rahim .................. 16.8
Miller ................... 15.6
TOTAL ................. 82.5

Hart .................... 9.5
Martin ................. 2.9
Williamson ........... 10.3
Thomas .............. 12.4
Skinner ............... 4.8
TOTAL ................ 39.9

Evans ................. 6.4
Songaila ............. 7.5
TOTAL ............... 13.9

House ................ 4.7
Daniels ............... .6
TOTALS .............. 5.3

Garcia - Price ... rookies

So ... what's this all mean ... absolutley nothing ... just wanted to see it in front of me. If you add up the starters and 5 bench players .... that would be an average of 122.4 pts per game (that's pretty high).

82.5 from our starters ... kinda low, but okay ... IMO
39.9 offensive point production .... pretty good .... IMO

 

[Yoda]

122.4 while giving up 130 is exciting basketball, but it will not win a championship.

Unfortunately our front office doesn't feel that defense is a priority.

 

[Bricklayer]

Based upon last years stats:

Player .................. PPG
Bibby ................... 19.6
Wells ................... 10.4
Peja .................... 20.1
Rahim .................. 16.8
Miller ................... 15.6
TOTAL ................. 82.5

Hart .................... 9.5
Martin ................. 2.9
Williamson ........... 10.3
Thomas .............. 12.4
Skinner ............... 4.8
TOTAL ................ 39.9

Evans ................. 6.4
Songaila ............. 7.5
TOTAL ............... 13.9

House ................ 4.7
Daniels ............... .6
TOTALS .............. 5.3

Garcia - Price ... rookies

So ... what's this all mean ... absolutley nothing ... just wanted to see it in front of me. If you add up the starters and 5 bench players .... that would be an average of 122.4 pts per game (that's pretty high).

82.5 from our starters ... kinda low, but okay ... IMO
39.9 offensive point production .... pretty good .... IMO

Okay, but I know you know hoops and therefore know better than that.

1) of course all the numbers are going to change with the changing roles/minutes
2) during a season everybody's numbers are always somewhat inflated by injuries -- you don't actually score 122.4 (and wouldn't even if everybody is healthy) every time out.

I would guestimate the starters at this point at about:

Miller - 12ppg
SAR - 20ppg
Peja - 21ppg
Bonzi - 15ppg
Bibby - 18ppg

The bench = who knows. With so few minutes to go around, likely no double figure scorers though.

 

[Folsom Al]

How could you possibly come up with that number ??? ... (new players in town)

oooops ... I forgot about Sampson's ppg = 3.4

 

[Folsom Al]

Okay, but I know you know hoops and therefore know better than that.

Absolutely correct .... I was trying to VISUALIZE a starting point and couldn't unless I did this.

39.9 points from the bench ... would be outrageously remarkable !!!

I think the starting 5 would average a few points higher ... your guess of 86 ppg from the starters is closer to what I visualized.



How Yoda came up with 130 pts allowed per game is beyond me ...

 

[Folsom Al]

The bench = who knows. With so few minutes to go around, likely no double figure scorers though.

Double figure scorers, you're probably right ..... I'd put the bench at producing 25-35 ppg .... even that is kinda' high (35), but, with Hart, KT and Corliss coming off the bench ... they're capable.

 

[Bricklayer]

Absolutely correct .... I was trying to VISUALIZE a starting point and couldn't unless I did this.

39.9 points from the bench ... would be outrageously remarkable !!!

I think the starting 5 would average a few points higher ... your guess of 86 ppg from the starters is closer to what I visualized.



How Yoda came up with 130 pts allowed per game is beyond me ...

Well, if we are going to score 122, we just MIGHT give up 130.

The bench isn't scoring 39points. Look at it this way -- we could easily have all 5 starters averaging 35+ minutes which leaves maybe 60min for the bench. If they averaged 39ppg) (let's just say 40ppg for easy math that would be a 32pts/48min pace. If our bench can score 32pts per 48 a) I will eat my hat (if I had one); and b) THEY should be the starters.

 

[SacTownKid]

Absolutely correct .... I was trying to VISUALIZE a starting point and couldn't unless I did this.

39.9 points from the bench ... would be outrageously remarkable !!!

I think the starting 5 would average a few points higher ... your guess of 86 ppg from the starters is closer to what I visualized.



How Yoda came up with 130 pts allowed per game is beyond me ...

I think Bricks numbers are more in line. You have to remember that Bonzi will be playing 35 minutes a game, and will have almost double the playing time next season as he did last season. If scoring wasn't a problem before the trade, it shouldn't be one now.

Another nice thing is that the Kings now have two players in Bonzi and Shareef, that can step outside of the system and play some one on one to switch things up. This is one "versatile" team. Exactly what Geoff set out to make. On paper he did a NICE job.

As for Yoda. Well, I hope he enjoys this upcoming season, but if he really can't stand the players on the this team, then maybe he should just let go of this one and find a new one.

 

[Bricklayer]

As for Yoda. Well, I hope he enjoys this upcoming season, but if he really can't stand the players on the this team, then maybe he should find a new one.

Stop that. Following a team in no way requires yout o be blind to its faults, notr does it dictate that you can't want better personnel brought in. In fact if you really care about the success of the team, that is EXACTLY where you come from.

 

[SacTownKid]

Stop that. Following a team in no way requires yout o be blind to its faults, notr does it dictate that you can't want better personnel brought in. In fact if you really care about the success of the team, that is EXACTLY where you come from.

The one you replied to came off harsh, and different than what was intended. Thats why I changed it. I just noticed how in every reply lately he has been rather negative and thought it may be easier on his own well being if he just lets go. I didn't mean it as a jab.

 

[D-Mass]

This is one "versatile" team. Exactly what Geoff set out to make.

I seem to remember the organization talking about how they were seeking to get better defensively. I don't think versatility was one of their big goals...besides, it seems to me we have a versatile backcourt and that's about as far as it goes. SAR might be a versatile PF (or SF, depending on your views), but he hasn't made our frontcourt very versatile as a whole. More than last year, perhaps, but I'm not sure that says a whole lot.

 

[Yoda]

The one you replied to came off harsh, and different than what was intended. Thats why I changed it. I just noticed how in every reply lately he has been rather negative and thought it may be easier on his own well being if he just lets go. I didn't mean it as a jab.

I love my Kings and there is no move that they can make to change my love for the team.

I come accross as negative because I do not like the direction this club is going. I have found the Christie, Webb, Bonzi, and SAR dealings to be lacking in how I would want my favorite team to be managed. (I do like the Hart trade, alot) If that makes me negative then so be it. I have not shoved my opinion down anyones throat, as I have not posted since the signing. We can disagree and still enjoy our team.

As an aside, I welcome SAR to the team and I will rout for him because he is a King. I just do not like this signing and the last years deals.

 

[piksi]

Numbers are hard to estimate here because they depend on so many things that are uncontrilable.

I expect Pedja to be 23ppg and above since it looks like he is going to be option #1

I would like to see Bibby having 8-9 assists per game if we are going to run

I hope that Brad will realize that shooting is not a crime on BB court. He has got to be a double double player every night

Wells - 10 - 15 per game depending on # of shots preferably by posting and inside

SAR - Probably would be too much to expect double double but if he can keep it close

Bench - god help us ! Whatever they give us - we will take it. Won't play much anyways unless there is a coaching change which is unlikely due to absolute no alternatives.
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Just by looking at the roster it is easy to realize that we will need every point we can get because we are still unable to stop even a solid high school team. I predict that we will lose at least 5 games in which we score 125 + pts.

 

[Folsom Al]

So Yoda, are you saying that your "130 points allowed per game" was eluding to your negative feelings about the changes the team has gone thru ???

Just curious .... cause I was trying to get a better grasp on "where the current Kings are".

Realistically, the King's scored 103+ ppg last season and allowed 101+ ppg

.... we all know the story of last season (players. injuries, trades, etc ..... )

Truthfully, I have no clue how the King's are going to do defensively (hopefully better) .... but, I do see them as allowing less ppg compared to last year.

Offensively, around the same .... 103 ppg

 

[Yoda]

So Yoda, are you saying that your "130 points allowed per game" was eluding to your negative feelings about the changes the team has gone thru ???

Just curious .... cause I was trying to get a better grasp on "where the current Kings are".

Realistically, the King's scored 103+ ppg last season and allowed 101+ ppg

.... we all know the story of last season (players. injuries, trades, etc ..... )

Truthfully, I have no clue how the King's are going to do defensively (hopefully better) .... but, I do see them as allowing less ppg compared to last year.

Offensively, around the same .... 103 ppg

I suppose I was speaking in some hyperbole.
I noted that you were listing how much points per game we could potentially score. That is great but in turn I think we will give up a bunch. How much? Realistically, I think we could give up 105 ppg with the current roster.

 

[piksi]

oooops ... I forgot about Sampson's ppg = 3.4

only if waving the towel is worth 3 pts per game

Sampson might not even get 3.4 minutes per game.

 

[D-Mass]

only if waving the towel is worth 3 pts per game

Good stuff, piksi...good stuff.

 

[Folsom Al]

I suppose I was speaking in some hyperbole.
I noted that you were listing how much points per game we could potentially score. That is great but in turn I think we will give up a bunch. How much? Realistically, I think we could give up 105 ppg with the current roster.

I gotta proposition for ya Yoda .....

You a bettin' individual ??? .... now hold -on ... I'm talkin' about a plate of ribs !!

If .... the King's allow an average of more than 104 ppg, IOU a rib dinner at BBQ joint of your choice

If .... the King's average of ppg allowed is less then 104 .... you owe me a BBQ dinner at rib-eatery of my choice

DEAL ???

 

[Padrino]

that deal is totally in your favor, folsom al. the kings may not have gotten a whole lot better defensively, but they certainly didnt get any worse (cuz that'd be awfully hard to do -- that is, play worse defense than they did last season). you've got chili's baby back ribs spinning circles in your eyes, thats what i think.

 

[Folsom Al]

that deal is totally in your favor, folsom al. the kings may not have gotten a whole lot better defensively, but they certainly didnt get any worse (cuz that'd be awfully hard to do -- that is, play worse defense than they did last season). you've got chili's baby back ribs spinning circles in your eyes, thats what i think.

sssssssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

win or lose ..... RIBS ARE ALWAYS GOOD

 

[sono]

lol, let's see if Yoda takes the bait.

 

[VF21]

I think I should step in here about this wagering business...

I strongly suggest that a neutral party be assigned to monitor the progress of the bet. In addition, at the end of the year I think said neutral party should be invited to the rib consumption event to verify that the debt was, in fact, paid.

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Why, yes. I do like ribs. Whyever could you be asking???

 

[Folsom Al]

You are on VF !!!!

Sono and Padrino (designated trustees of the basketball court) can ensure that all parties involved, willingly ate the ribs in question being presented from the 1st party to the 2nd party.

In fact ... we should just go ahead and plan on having this PARTY in the presence of the Neutral Party, 1st Party, 2nd Party and the trustees of the court ... regardless of which party wins or loses.

Tony Roma's - Back West BBQ - Chili's ..... any of those so-called RIB ESTABLISHMENTS, I'm sure will meet with criteria of the parties in question.

Everyone should be a winner in this party

 

[Yoda]

I gotta proposition for ya Yoda .....

You a bettin' individual ??? .... now hold -on ... I'm talkin' about a plate of ribs !!

If .... the King's allow an average of more than 104 ppg, IOU a rib dinner at BBQ joint of your choice

If .... the King's average of ppg allowed is less then 104 .... you owe me a BBQ dinner at rib-eatery of my choice

DEAL ???

lol

Backpeddling excuses
1) I would have trouble taking a bet which would be a bad thing for the Kings if I were to win.
2) I live 600 miles away from Sacto
3) I am not quite confident enough in my 104 ppg to put a wager on it.

Great post, BTW.

 

[VF21]

Hmmmmm.

This isn't looking good, Al. I'm already planning for rib consumption. I'm holding you personally responsible. We need to find someone - ANYONE - else to take the bet.

 

[BobbyJ_for3!]

I'm 16 and its kind of illegal for me to bet anything, but if that doesnt bother anyone...

I'll take said bet***.



****on condition that the number is lowered to 94.



gotcha. no? maybe a little? *snaps fingers* oh well. good luck to anyone who takes the best. and congrats to al for winning.


EDIT: I changed bet from "bed"....altho both would be true in context

 

[6th]

If I may just be allowed to enter into the fray. I am planning on organizing a "get-together" of members of KingsFans.com to watch a road game (once or twice this season). So, the question is....Do any rib houses have big screen TV's and would they allow us to book a party? Or, do any "sports bars" serve good ribs?

 

[Gary]

I would guestimate the starters at this point at about:

Miller - 12ppg
SAR - 20ppg
Peja - 21ppg
Bonzi - 15ppg
Bibby - 18ppg

The bench = who knows. With so few minutes to go around, likely no double figure scorers though.

I am thinking more on the line of :

Miller - 14ppg 9rpg 4apg
SAR - 18ppg 10rpg 4apg
Peja - 23ppg 5rpg 2apg
Wells - 13ppg 5rpg 3apg
Bibby - 19ppg 4rpg 7apg

Off the bench our new contender for 6th man:

KT - 12ppg 7rpg 2apg

 

[Gary]

If I may just be allowed to enter into the fray. I am planning on organizing a "get-together" of members of KingsFans.com to watch a road game (once or twice this season). So, the question is....Do any rib houses have big screen TV's and would they allow us to book a party? Or, do any "sports bars" serve good ribs?

Applebees, but they have HORRIBLE screens

I love them Riblets!

 

[Folsom Al]

On KHTK-am 1140 ... they always talk about Big West BBQ on Fulton Ave

Not sure if they have a big screen ... plenty of ribs

Tony Roma's does NOT have a big screen TV

There's another place I've seen advertised ... have to look into it.

I like your idea of a "GET TOGETHER"