Kings @ Bulls Game Thread
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Bibby - Playing hurt because there is nobody to play in his place, 9 assists, 23 points, 3 steals, 4 rebs .... yeah, he sucks.
Ron - 22 points, 13 rebs, 4 assists, 2 steals . . . guess he sucks, too.
I know that Bibby had too many to's and Ron took too many ill advised shots, but I do believe they had a BIG part in us winning this game.
Ron - 22 points, 13 rebs, 4 assists, 2 steals . . . guess he sucks, too.
I know that Bibby had too many to's and Ron took too many ill advised shots, but I do believe they had a BIG part in us winning this game.
Bibby doesn't suck. I never said he sucks. I said his game tonight sucked. If he goes and averaged 11TOs, 5-15 shooting and 9 assists for the rest of the season, would you take it? No. It's terrible. They are not Bibby-like numbers. If we lost this game, you don't have anything good to say about those numbers.
The same with Artest. So what that he had 22 points. He took 20 shots. That's a terrible conversion rate. Yes, he got rebounds, and that's huge. But, he damn near cost us the game with his play. In fact, if the Bulls (and the refs) didn't hand us this win ... we'd be 0-2. His decision making is terrible.
Actually, you did say that "Bibby sucked." Those were your words not mine. But even if you meant that his game sucked tonight, I would disagree.
As for him sitting because his playing hurt is a detriment to the team, just whom would you play in his place that could perform even a fraction as well as he did tonight. I am NOT saying he had a great game. Clearly, he had too may to's. However, his impact tonight was much more good than bad.
As for him sitting because his playing hurt is a detriment to the team, just whom would you play in his place that could perform even a fraction as well as he did tonight. I am NOT saying he had a great game. Clearly, he had too may to's. However, his impact tonight was much more good than bad.
I agree. Bibby definitely did not look good dribbling out there. kept on fixing the tape on his wrist and stuff. you could just tell bibby was toiling out there and just playing as hard as he could.
he logged 45 minutes on the 1st night of a back-to-back and only the 2nd game of the season. He was tired for sure. I don't know how he hit that 3 in the end, but that was pure heart from mike.
i guess a C game from mike is better than the alternative. and he was a BIG part in the win tonight. kudos.
he logged 45 minutes on the 1st night of a back-to-back and only the 2nd game of the season. He was tired for sure. I don't know how he hit that 3 in the end, but that was pure heart from mike.
i guess a C game from mike is better than the alternative. and he was a BIG part in the win tonight. kudos.
Bibby is an amazing player. I agree that they should have rode him. But to say his game was good despite 11TOs is awful. 11TOs is just hard to do. Winning doesn't turn a poor game into a good one.
As for SAR, like I said, it wasn't a good game. It just wasn't bad. He was there. He rebounded. That's what we needed. Doesn't make it a good game, but he was far from bad. He was there. That's a C.
As for SAR, like I said, it wasn't a good game. It just wasn't bad. He was there. He rebounded. That's what we needed. Doesn't make it a good game, but he was far from bad. He was there. That's a C.
And if the numbers looked pretty, but we lost, I wouldn't care much how nice the stats looked on paper for any player. On any given night the whole point is to win the game, no matter how ugly. This team fought for this win, despite playing poorly. I'll take that any day.
EDIT: And by the way, no where did I say 11 TO's was good. But I still take Bibby out there tonight.
EDIT: And by the way, no where did I say 11 TO's was good. But I still take Bibby out there tonight.
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Not trying to get into a grammatical debate here, but "Bibby sucked" implies past-tense ... hence the "ed" ending at the end of "suck" rather than an "s" which would indicate that I think he currently is in the midst of "sucking".
So, basically, if you interpret what I said to mean that I think Bibby is a bad player ... then you just don't understand the english language my friend.
So, basically, if you interpret what I said to mean that I think Bibby is a bad player ... then you just don't understand the english language my friend.
CORRECT! Now you get it!
It's a team game, the TEAM won. Despite the fact that Bibby had a poor Bibby-type performance.
Bibby doesn't need to be patted on the back for a good TEAM win. He still played poor, but the team played for the win despite his poor game. He showed up for a clutch shot and that's awesome!
If he had spectacular numbers and played his A game and we lost ... then you could say BIbby had a great game but the team lost it.
Just because we won doesn't make his statline better. It doesn't make those 11TOs and 30% shooting go away. Is it better than his backup? I'm not sure. Would we have won with his backup? I'm not sure. Am I glad we won? Yes and no. I think us winning is a great thing as a fan, but it doesn't inspire me. We won ugly. We didn't deserve to win and we didn't look like a team that can/should win.
I'm just stating my opinion, it doesn't make it right.
It's a team game, the TEAM won. Despite the fact that Bibby had a poor Bibby-type performance.
Bibby doesn't need to be patted on the back for a good TEAM win. He still played poor, but the team played for the win despite his poor game. He showed up for a clutch shot and that's awesome!
If he had spectacular numbers and played his A game and we lost ... then you could say BIbby had a great game but the team lost it.
Just because we won doesn't make his statline better. It doesn't make those 11TOs and 30% shooting go away. Is it better than his backup? I'm not sure. Would we have won with his backup? I'm not sure. Am I glad we won? Yes and no. I think us winning is a great thing as a fan, but it doesn't inspire me. We won ugly. We didn't deserve to win and we didn't look like a team that can/should win.
I'm just stating my opinion, it doesn't make it right.
With our roster, that's a given.
That's like saying: Without Jordan, Pippen and Rodman, the Bulls wouldn't have won a championship.
Well, duh!
But, the caveat to what you said is that without Bibby/Artest playing poorly and hogging more shots than they should (15 is good for healthy Bibby) ... we might actually have closed this game out earlier. That you can never know.
As far as not taking "Bibby sucked" to mean past tense, then I'm sorry you're just reaching. I was discussing the current game and the 'ed' ending simply clarifies it. Don't reach so hard to make my argument not hold water. I don't like the way Bibby plays a lot of the time, but he's an amazing player.
That's like saying: Without Jordan, Pippen and Rodman, the Bulls wouldn't have won a championship.
Well, duh!
But, the caveat to what you said is that without Bibby/Artest playing poorly and hogging more shots than they should (15 is good for healthy Bibby) ... we might actually have closed this game out earlier. That you can never know.
As far as not taking "Bibby sucked" to mean past tense, then I'm sorry you're just reaching. I was discussing the current game and the 'ed' ending simply clarifies it. Don't reach so hard to make my argument not hold water. I don't like the way Bibby plays a lot of the time, but he's an amazing player.
You were reaching in that there was no indication that I said Bibby SUCKS as in currently and always. That I never indicated, pointed towards or even hinted at.
As for the coaches ... these coaches aren't doing much of anything so far. Might as well let your ego-superstar-primo-players take the shots, no?
I've seen nothing to indicate that these coaches have installed an offense. So, why not let Bibby/Artest jack up shots and ride them. I mean, it's not like we could get Artest/SAR the ball in the post using a simple backpick to set them up against a SF/SG. It's not like we could have utilized KMoney more when he was on fire.
Riding "premier" players and letting them just go buck wild trying to create for themselves is what coaches that don't know what else to do rely on. It's what I was afraid of. It's not a sign of good coaching, but quite the opposite. Not saying that there isn't an offense or that Muss is a bad coach, but the signs (at this point) point to this. To put it lightly, I wouldn't put my savings account in on the Kings making the playoffs.
At this point, I'm not going to take anything the coaching staff has to say as anything I should bank my own opinion on. They haven't earned that at this point.
As for the coaches ... these coaches aren't doing much of anything so far. Might as well let your ego-superstar-primo-players take the shots, no?
I've seen nothing to indicate that these coaches have installed an offense. So, why not let Bibby/Artest jack up shots and ride them. I mean, it's not like we could get Artest/SAR the ball in the post using a simple backpick to set them up against a SF/SG. It's not like we could have utilized KMoney more when he was on fire.
Riding "premier" players and letting them just go buck wild trying to create for themselves is what coaches that don't know what else to do rely on. It's what I was afraid of. It's not a sign of good coaching, but quite the opposite. Not saying that there isn't an offense or that Muss is a bad coach, but the signs (at this point) point to this. To put it lightly, I wouldn't put my savings account in on the Kings making the playoffs.
At this point, I'm not going to take anything the coaching staff has to say as anything I should bank my own opinion on. They haven't earned that at this point.
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The Kings put themselves in the position to be able to capitalize at the end by playing solid defense all game. Even when they weren't hitting shots they made sure Chicago didn't. Chicago isn't a bad team as evidenced by what they did to Miami the other night. Its not like they just decided at the end to lose the game - the Kings pressured them into making the mistakes that cost them.
The Bulls are a good team, but I doubt they do this even 1 time out of 100 against the Heat again.
I wouldn't use the Heat game as a barometer of how good the Bulls are.
We played solid defense. The Bulls also didn't look good and missed a lot of uncontested shots.
We lucked into this game, but I wouldn't take too much from it other than the W. It's not like we showed anything worth taking home out there. No one other than Martin really did more than show up.
I wouldn't use the Heat game as a barometer of how good the Bulls are.
We played solid defense. The Bulls also didn't look good and missed a lot of uncontested shots.
We lucked into this game, but I wouldn't take too much from it other than the W. It's not like we showed anything worth taking home out there. No one other than Martin really did more than show up.
No problem. I may be wrong, but don't want to be misquoted.
Either way ... we freaking won!
I don't care if Ronnie Price went off for 120 to net us the victory ... we won. That's what matters.
I still don't feel confident, as I've said only 128 times, but perhaps the team does ... and that's what matters.
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