kings big 3

[vistacruza_kings]

i know this is years in the future, but its fun to brainstorm. most championship teams consist of a big 3 (3 players CAPABLE of 30 points a night, not everynight, but is capable, for the most part)

so my question is do you see any players on the kings roster capable of being is this big 3. k-mart, when healthy is a 2nd or 3rd option. he has already showed us he cant be a 1 and leader of this team. great player, he just doenst have it in him.

this is just my opinion, but i dont see star potential in spence or jt. i believe they both can be 10/10 guys which is what you need on a championship team.

salmons is a tough one, i know everyone likes to hate on him, but you cant argue with his stats(19ppg, shootin 50%). the major problem i have with him is that he cant come off the bench. and hes just over the age, so that when when we do start contending, he will be to old. he believe hes in his prime now, so its now or never to trade him.

cisco=6th man, and everyones favorite players in a few years

kings future big 3

1.
2. kevin martin
3.

id like to hear everyones thoughts, possible players we can bring in from a trade or draft can be thrown in there too.

 

[Spike]

I'll play, so long as you can tell me who the "big 3" (capable of scoring 30 pts) on the last five teams (prior to Boston) were.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

I think its more

1.
2.Kmart
3.Hawes (talking future right)

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Interesting that you don't think that San Antonio (Duncan-Parker-Ginobili) or Detroit (Billups-Hamilton-Wallace) had trios that could go for thirty. And yeah, Los Angeles and Miami didn't have three guys that could go for thirty, but they did have two guys that could have gone for fifty...

 

[=LarryLegend=]

(Billups-Hamilton-Wallace)

Not wallace.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

1. Get him this year or next year in FA or draft, needs to be a bonafide star or a number 1/2 overall pick
2. Kmart
3. 1 of Hawes , Thompson or Greene will make it to at least a 3rd option.

equally important is role players or the other 2 starters who can play DEFENSE

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

You don't think Rasheed Wallace could score thirty, seriously?

 

[LPKingsFan]

I'll play, so long as you can tell me who the "big 3" (capable of scoring 30 pts) on the last five teams (prior to Boston) were.

That's not too hard. Although I think really if you have two players capable of 40+ or one capable of 50+, then you don't need three.

Boston: KG, Pierce, Allen
SA: Duncan, Ginobili, Parker
Miami: Shaq, Wade
Detroit (the anomaly) Billups, Sheed, Rip?
LA: Shaq, Kobe

I think the OP's point is something we've bandied about a lot here--who will be our superstar? Kevin's a great #2, but not The Man, by any means. That's not to say I completely agree with everything the OP said...

this is just my opinion, but i dont see star potential in spence or jt. i believe they both can be 10/10 guys which is what you need on a championship team.

Well, both are averaging around 14 and 10 per 36 minutes, so you're already behind there. Simply put, it's too early to tell with these guys. I'm intrigued by Spencer's leadership potential, and Jason's hustle play. It remains to be seen whether either has what it takes to be The Man, but let's not put a ceiling on them before we find out. I noticed, also, that you forgot Donte, who scored 40 points in a summer league game

Also depends on who we snag in the draft. Let's say we get Jennings at #5 or so, and he turns out to be Arenas level (optimistic I know). If Spence continues his development as a Vlade-Brad hybrid, Jason a poor man's Webber, Kevin plays Peja as the scorer, Cisco the defensive Doug-like swingman... it starts to work if you squint real hard. Personally, I just look forward to the ride and seeing how things pan out.

As for Salmons, I don't think it's as critical to move him right now (as opposed to Brad) but still sooner than later makes sense. He's our only real perimiter defender right now (hopefully Cisco steps it up) but you're right, at 29 he's too old for the rebuild, and if we can get good value to him (say, from a team desperately looking for a "Kobe stopper" in the playoffs) you've got to pull the trigger.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

LPKingsFan - your post kind of triggered something ive been thinking about for a while ..

is anyone else sick of acquiring draft picks? After we get rid of salmons/ miller for young players or cap relief, I think its time we target some stars on teams that are about to rebuild by trading our young talent and picks ( see boston with KG and Rallen ) Its going to be tough to lure top FA's to Sac in 2010, but we can trade our young talent for them.

we are reachin the max as far as young players go .. there is only so many a team can have and give time to .. we basically have 6 young players who command PT ( hawes, brown, thompson, martin, garcia, greene ) then when you add 2 - 3 more in this years draft we are at 9 young players .. at somepoint you have to start deciding which ones to keep and which ones to trade for big time stars .. Im not sure this team can handle more picks from dealing salmons and miller this offseason, unless some combination of lower 1st rounders are used to trade up in the draft .. anyways .. something to think about for sure..

 

[91sickness]

LPKingsFan - your post kind of triggered something ive been thinking about for a while ..

is anyone else sick of acquiring draft picks? After we get rid of salmons/ miller for young players or cap relief, I think its time we target some stars on teams that are about to rebuild by trading our young talent and picks ( see boston with KG and Rallen ) Its going to be tough to lure top FA's to Sac in 2010, but we can trade our young talent for them.

we are reachin the max as far as young players go .. there is only so many a team can have and give time to .. we basically have 6 young players who command PT ( hawes, brown, thompson, martin, garcia, greene ) then when you add 2 - 3 more in this years draft we are at 9 young players .. at somepoint you have to start deciding which ones to keep and which ones to trade for big time stars .. Im not sure this team can handle more picks from dealing salmons and miller this offseason, unless some combination of lower 1st rounders are used to trade up in the draft .. anyways .. something to think about for sure..

I totally agree. You have to have a blend of veteran experience/leadership/skill level to be successful. Otherwise your asking basically a college all star team to try and compete on the NBA level. Plus these so called "college all stars" were not even top picks. There comes a point where we need to make a move for a guy like gerald wallace or even a marion type player to build this team around. This team needs a proven player who can be our go to guy and the rock this franchise becomes built upon. Say we get that top tier player and have to give away a cisco or greene type player plus a future draft pick, I think this team would look really solid with a jennings/rubio type pg, martin, elite SF, thompson and hawes. Then we would just have to work on building up our bench and we could be back in the hunt within a few years.

So yes I agree, I really do not want to see Miller or Salmons traded for expiring contracts and low first round draft picks. We have enough of those. Plus this draft class, although its early, does not seem to have a whole lot of exciting players coming out of it. We need to make a run at some proven players who can be the face of our franchise.

 

[TaxMan]

LPKingsFan - your post kind of triggered something ive been thinking about for a while ..

is anyone else sick of acquiring draft picks? After we get rid of salmons/ miller for young players or cap relief, I think its time we target some stars on teams that are about to rebuild by trading our young talent and picks ( see boston with KG and Rallen ) Its going to be tough to lure top FA's to Sac in 2010, but we can trade our young talent for them.

we are reachin the max as far as young players go .. there is only so many a team can have and give time to .. we basically have 6 young players who command PT ( hawes, brown, thompson, martin, garcia, greene ) then when you add 2 - 3 more in this years draft we are at 9 young players .. at somepoint you have to start deciding which ones to keep and which ones to trade for big time stars .. Im not sure this team can handle more picks from dealing salmons and miller this offseason, unless some combination of lower 1st rounders are used to trade up in the draft .. anyways .. something to think about for sure..

Not sure there's really a situation out there right now like th KG/Allen offseason for Boston. The only potential scenario brewing is in Pheonix with Amare; however (i) he's no KG in terms of oncourt play or leadership; (ii) I believe he's a FA after next year; and (iii) Sac doesn't have the draw/prestige of playing in Boston. Really, you need the KG sized trade to pull it off in a manner that doesn't make you regret mortgaging the future. If Boston had just traded for Allen it likely would have been a disaster (i.e. giving up a top 5 draft pick for an aging perimeter player.) As it turned out, the stars aligned for the Celtics, but it's not usually that easy.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Not sure there's really a situation out there right now like th KG/Allen offseason for Boston. The only potential scenario brewing is in Pheonix with Amare; however (i) he's no KG in terms of oncourt play or leadership; (ii) I believe he's a FA after next year; and (iii) Sac doesn't have the draw/prestige of playing in Boston. Really, you need the KG sized trade to pull it off in a manner that doesn't make you regret mortgaging the future. If Boston had just traded for Allen it likely would have been a disaster (i.e. giving up a top 5 draft pick for an aging perimeter player.) As it turned out, the stars aligned for the Celtics, but it's not usually that easy.

And don't forget it took young players, expiring contracts and picks to make the KG trade happen. Yes, we need to draft or trade for a star. However, having tradable pieces allows you to make those trades. And since most teams trading a star are doing so in order to rebuild, you need either young talented players, draft picks and/or expiring contracts to make that happen. Teams aren't trading all stars for Brad Miller (until he is an expiring contract) or John Salmons.

 

[LPKingsFan]

is anyone else sick of acquiring draft picks? After we get rid of salmons/ miller for young players or cap relief, I think its time we target some stars on teams that are about to rebuild by trading our young talent and picks ( see boston with KG and Rallen ) Its going to be tough to lure top FA's to Sac in 2010, but we can trade our young talent for them.

Well, after we trade Miller/Salmons for young players or cap relief, we've pretty much used up our useful veteran assets (besides, perhaps, trading Kenny's 2010 expiring). And, as you note, trading up in the draft is a very distinct possibility (although something Petrie's apparently been loath to do during his tenure here, for whatever reason). I'd really like to think we parlay Houston's 1st and whatever additional assets we get from a Miller or Salmons deal (NO's 1st, for example) and turn that into a late lottery or mid first rounder. Look what Portland did to get Bayless--they had extraneous young talent (McRoberts) and used him to move up a few spots.

 

[vistacruza_kings]

i would love to see more of donte greene, he has shown spurts of good play. towards the end of the season id like like to see him starting. salmons would complain tho bahahaha.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

is anyone else sick of acquiring draft picks? After we get rid of salmons/ miller for young players or cap relief, I think its time we target some stars on teams that are about to rebuild by trading our young talent and picks ( see boston with KG and Rallen ) Its going to be tough to lure top FA's to Sac in 2010, but we can trade our young talent for them.

Strongly disagree; I would only throw money at/trade for a star if we were a star away from competing.

 

[SacKings7]

I disagree with the whole trios thing. They're nice to have, but you only need 2 great players to win. Just ask Milwaukee how their "Big 3" worked out for them

 

[Bricklayer]

It just depends on what you have. You can do it with two, but those two then have to be really special HOF level players.

The real key is just one. As in one true superstar. Get that guy, then you can fiddle with the rest. try to pair him wiht another superstar (somwhow -- that requires luck), try to fit in two good but not great wingmen next to him (and get them all under the cap) etc. But you need that one guy..somethow. Someway.

As an aside, I don't think the Pistons had a big anything. Five man team, no superstar, not even any high level stars (offensively). Maybe Billups was one year. They were fairly unique and don't fit into any rubrick except "defense wins championships". Or a championship.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Yeah, closer scrutiny seems to hold that season up as an aberration: a well-coached team (right guy at the right time), no and/or manageable ego, and no glaring weaknesses, matched up against a team that was loaded with talent, on paper, but which was bogged down by infighting, had a bunch of weakness, that happened to be weaknesses that their opponents in the Finals seemed uniquely qualified to exploit.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that was a gimmick team, but the further we progress ahead without them getting back to the Finals, the more it seems like they were the exception that proves the rule. And, to borrow an expression that I heard Doc Rivers use in the playoffs last year, Detroit's recent history has shown that they have not done well in elimination games where the best guy on the court is playing for the other team.

But, if you're using "Big Three" in the seemingly generic context that it's come to be used in lately (Redd, Jefferson and Bogut are a "Big Three?" Really?), you'd have been hard-pressed to find a more well-rounded "big three" than Wallace, Billups and Hamilton.

 

[tocan]

Spencer will be the leader of this team in the future so he is # 1, Kevin Martin is # 2, I think Donte Green could possibly be #3 and the best of the bunch in the long run. I hope that the Maloofs won't trade away our youth getting older talent which won't win a championship either. I want to see the team grow and stay together and become a great team thru acquiring more youth to rebuild it. I like the older players but they aren't the future and should sit on the bench and our youth should be on the floor. If you look at the Thunder and how they play their young players and how much they have improved over the year look at Durant. Now think how much better Donte, Spencer, Jason , Bobby Brown could be next year and how Quincy and Sheldon haven't grown in the Kings organization. I can't believe how other teams can grow their youth and we have such a problem. This all goes back to attempting to get to the playoffs instead of winning the championship at some point someone in the Kings organization has to stepup and say enough is enough and take a losing season getting the youngsters a chance to get some big minutes on the floor. The Thunder will be a better team next year than the Kings they are really in a rebuilding mode not just a half *** rebuild as the Kings are.