[Game] Kings at Bucks, 1/22/2022 4pm PT/7pm ET
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Dude, Kings playing small and doubling hasn't been fixed yet, won't be fixed apparently. Someone apparently doesn't know rule 1 about small ball, the whole point is to switch everything. Yes, they don't have that extra wing out there to truly make it work but avoiding the rule is always going to bite you.
One main part of the issue is that if you even try to remotely be a genius defensively in the modern game? You're already dead in the water. It means you are overthinking it and limiting what little you probably can do somewhat well rather than just sticking to the only thing that works at all. Very little actual defense is playable these days. You switch everything, that's it. And you better darn well have a team capable of doing it, the Kings don't. Monte stacked PG's and frontcourt players instead. Great job.
Thibs was viewed as a defensive genius at one point. You know why? Because he stuck to a simple ice scheme and cut off the other fat from the bone. It eventually failed but it worked often enough to make a difference or at least appear to. The Kings don't have the size you need on the wing, that's true. Davion was able to guard 4 positions. Not only was that false but they haven't even really tried it. This is starting to become, "Don't worry, Nik can and will play some PG". lol. Never even tried, still lost, and blew yet another pick. They want to keep turning over the same rocks. Now two of those rocks are named Metu and Jones. One of them as a 4th big is fine, playing both while Marvin/Holmes sit AND you don't play small? Stupid. And yet another reason this team will have to eventually reset with yet another GM, another rebuild, and another coach. This could be a long haul like well past 20 season drought before they are even in a position to attempt to push for a playoffs if they aren't careful. Time is legit running out Monte/Vivek/JoeD.
Thibs was viewed as a defensive genius at one point. You know why? Because he stuck to a simple ice scheme and cut off the other fat from the bone. It eventually failed but it worked often enough to make a difference or at least appear to. The Kings don't have the size you need on the wing, that's true. Davion was able to guard 4 positions. Not only was that false but they haven't even really tried it. This is starting to become, "Don't worry, Nik can and will play some PG". lol. Never even tried, still lost, and blew yet another pick. They want to keep turning over the same rocks. Now two of those rocks are named Metu and Jones. One of them as a 4th big is fine, playing both while Marvin/Holmes sit AND you don't play small? Stupid. And yet another reason this team will have to eventually reset with yet another GM, another rebuild, and another coach. This could be a long haul like well past 20 season drought before they are even in a position to attempt to push for a playoffs if they aren't careful. Time is legit running out Monte/Vivek/JoeD.
I have to think Monte being part of Houston management before joining the Kings must have morphed his philosophy.
Houston was king at switching and playing small.
So I do wonder what will happen next and what is going through Monte's mind.
Surely this isn't working, and yes, you're right, there's little to no wings on this team.
I would do Fox, Hield, Barnes, and two 1st rounders for Ben, Harris, and Thybulle.
I think this would add a lot of versatility to the wing.
Houston was king at switching and playing small.
So I do wonder what will happen next and what is going through Monte's mind.
Surely this isn't working, and yes, you're right, there's little to no wings on this team.
I would do Fox, Hield, Barnes, and two 1st rounders for Ben, Harris, and Thybulle.
I think this would add a lot of versatility to the wing.
feels like we’ve been way more healthy than average? not sure how accurate this site is or if it accounts for covid but says we’ve lost the 5th fewest player games due to injury
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/injured-reserve/cumulative-team/
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/injured-reserve/cumulative-team/
What the Kings have accomplished like no other is the death of hope. Given “hope springs eternal” that is no mean feat. No one trade can fix this team even the optimists say. Those in the tank and get better camp gave up after last year. And here we sit, forever in purgatory due to Vivek’s mismanagement and stubbornness.
Your statistical models can only tell you what did happen not what will happen. If you really want to be scientific about this, make a prediction based on your model what the score of the next 10 games will be and we'll see how close you are. Anyone can find patterns in existing data. Using that to tell us what happens next and why it happens is the only way to know if your model works or not and at best it's only going to be an educated guess.
Choosing data that fits his narrative and leaving out other factors that might effect the outcome is starting to look like a pattern but at least he throws out data and is consistent. Gotta give him that. I don’t really look into advanced stats or those sites so all I can see is what is given to me. So if I’m understanding it right. Fox plays, other team scores 133 and their center and sf goes off and we lose = it’s his fault. Fox sits, other team scores 133, 3 they get the same amount of shots off as Detroit, and 3 of their top 4 scorers are guards and we lose = we would have lost by more if fox was there.
First, the comp was Fox running the show vs. Hali running the show. Which shows opposing teams score 10% more points when Fox is running the show alone than when Hali is running the show alone.
Second, I do have a much more complicated model that does exactly what your challenge is. I use it for sports betting and have one for football as well. For pros and college. If you go far enough back, you’ll even find some score predictions from me. For games that I care about going forward, I’ll gladly post my score predictions. Sometimes they hit, sometimes they don’t. But it’s anchor point.
Second, I do have a much more complicated model that does exactly what your challenge is. I use it for sports betting and have one for football as well. For pros and college. If you go far enough back, you’ll even find some score predictions from me. For games that I care about going forward, I’ll gladly post my score predictions. Sometimes they hit, sometimes they don’t. But it’s anchor point.
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Your all right to some degree. I could talk for hours on this subject, but I won't bore you with that. I'll just keep it simple and state what the obvious is to me. Addition by subtraction equals Buddy!!! Watch a game and only pay attention to Buddy when he's on the floor and you'll come to the same conclusion. He blows offensive plays, and makes mistake after mistake on defense. It doesn't matter how good the other four defenders on the floor are if you have one player that blows coverages. I know a lot of you know this, so I'll just leave it at that. Back to the prospects forum....
Pretty much.
We're trash because our owner is trash. And he's shown zero capacity for growth beyond keeping his idiocy in house, rather than go to the media with his insane "4 on 5 defense" or "we want jazz" takes. But the franchise hasn't changed how it operates since he took over, so you know that kind of warped thinking still guides decision making.
I think we can still make the playoffs as a first round fodder type of team with Vivek as owner, but if you look at other teams that had/have bad ownership over the years (NY, Clippers before Balmer) that's about as good as it gets.
We're trash because our owner is trash. And he's shown zero capacity for growth beyond keeping his idiocy in house, rather than go to the media with his insane "4 on 5 defense" or "we want jazz" takes. But the franchise hasn't changed how it operates since he took over, so you know that kind of warped thinking still guides decision making.
I think we can still make the playoffs as a first round fodder type of team with Vivek as owner, but if you look at other teams that had/have bad ownership over the years (NY, Clippers before Balmer) that's about as good as it gets.
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