Kings aren't Winners OR Losers

[tyrant]

how can you call it an unsuccessful move when he's done nothing? He's shown good flashes in the summer league, and most of us liked what we saw. And then there were those that weren't impressed. My point is, you're arguing against yourself because it's way too early to say if it's a good move or a bad move. It might be a few years until we know for sure

flashes. hmmmmmmmmmmm, i believe thats number 3 on the list of most used words on kingsfans.com. along with saavy, martin, rebuild and garbage. this team has become a camera. all we see is "flashes". when are we going to see completion? even a camera has stages. you focus, flash and develop. im sick of just seeing flashes. we've seen flashes of the kings having good defense in 2006 and 2007. completion..development!!!! when are we going to see a steady sacramento team? a team that will stop giving flashes only and develop into something good.

 

[Spike]

flashes. hmmmmmmmmmmm, i believe thats number 3 on the list of most used words on kingsfans.com. along with saavy, martin, rebuild and garbage. this team has become a camera. all we see is "flashes". when are we going to see completion? even a camera has stages. you focus, flash and develop. im sick of just seeing flashes. we've seen flashes of the kings having good defense in 2006 and 2007. completion..development!!!! when are we going to see a steady sacramento team? a team that will stop giving flashes only and develop into something good.

Martin, I think you need to rebuild your flashes of garbage. Savvy?

 

[DocHolliday]

thompson lovers.....not everyone is impressed with him. how can you call that a successful move when he's shown nothing? its neutral at best. he's another big, plus, he can dunk another plus. so lets just tone it down about the thompson situation. the more intelligent posters here would agree that we shouldnt jump the gun on this one. you know who they are. they've already made it clear. give thompson a shot to prove himself before we get overly excited about his "hands"

and i must say that im more anxious to see donte than thompson

All of us "Thompson Lovers" have said is that he excites us and shows promise, therefore at this very moment it looks like a good draft pick. There's nothing overblown or built too highly.

It makes no one less intelligent to have a positive outlook mixed with a "let's see what this kid will really be able to do" outlook. You come from a viewpoint of having a relatively negative view on most things, so your stance doesn't surprise me. But, don't state your point as having a positive outlook somehow makes a person less intelligent. That in itself is extremely ignorant on your part.

You have your view point, others have their's. While I personally think your negative outlooks is misguided, you're entitled to it.

What I posted earlier in this thread is some of us are excited to see what Thompson can do, because of what he has shown so far, and to not speak for all Kingsfans with your negative outlook.

Like my view or don't, either way I don't care, and it I'll continue to have my positive outlook.

 

[Aenadin]

flashes. hmmmmmmmmmmm, i believe thats number 3 on the list of most used words on kingsfans.com. along with saavy, martin, rebuild and garbage. this team has become a camera. all we see is "flashes". when are we going to see completion? even a camera has stages. you focus, flash and develop. im sick of just seeing flashes. we've seen flashes of the kings having good defense in 2006 and 2007. completion..development!!!! when are we going to see a steady sacramento team? a team that will stop giving flashes only and develop into something good.

the early 2000s and up to 2005 kings have been good... i cant blame them for having a crappy year and only showing sparks in 2006 and 2007 since they went through two different coaches, two different philosophies.. the other effed it up while the other salvaged what was the garbage of the other coach, im not making excuses just pointing out the facts that certain reasons why the team still struggles... and to be honest we only started rebuilding just now, the signing of SAR a few years ago was a sign that we still had a window and still wanted to compete sadly that didnt pan out our way, if it did then we would still be battling for 8th seed not going anywhere not getting good at all..

maloofs didnt want to rebuild totally, they wanted to compete and rebuild there is no such thing right?

id give it 2 more years and the kings will show steady displays of greatness but im not for tanking and losing intentionally wheres the pride

 

[tyrant]

over the past couple years the fans have been looking for anything that could bring excitement. even if it means lowering your standards. if you go long enough without food a 99cent pizza will look pretty tasty. thompson hasnt been in an NBA game. he didnt showoff in vegas either. i could understand if he dropped 40 points during summer league, but he didnt. so again, we were neutral at best this offseason. headed in the right direction? of course!! but we dont know how good ewing, singleton, hawes and thompson will be.


Aenadin, as for your question. yes you can rebuild while being competitive.

 

[Kingsguy881]

thompson lovers.....not everyone is impressed with him. how can you call that a successful move when he's shown nothing? its neutral at best. he's another big, plus, he can dunk another plus. so lets just tone it down about the thompson situation. the more intelligent posters here would agree that we shouldnt jump the gun on this one. you know who they are. they've already made it clear. give thompson a shot to prove himself before we get overly excited about his "hands"

and i must say that im more anxious to see donte than thompson

Ok, come on, just for once admit you made a stupid statement. You have now gone from "No one is impressed with Thompson" to now "Not everyone is impressed with Thompson". Come out and say what you want to say, which is "I'm not impressed with Thompson". Keep it real.

And you are right, the more intelligent poster would say lets not jump the gun, such as saying things like "No one is impressed with Thompson" especially when it can be proven, AHEM, that people that have seen him play ARE impressed with him. And why don't YOU give Thompson a shot to prove himself before jumping the gun, hmm?

Oh, BTW, when he goes off next year, I will be right here in your ear. Believe that!

 

[SacKings7]

flashes. hmmmmmmmmmmm, i believe thats number 3 on the list of most used words on kingsfans.com. along with saavy, martin, rebuild and garbage. this team has become a camera. all we see is "flashes". when are we going to see completion? even a camera has stages. you focus, flash and develop. im sick of just seeing flashes. we've seen flashes of the kings having good defense in 2006 and 2007. completion..development!!!! when are we going to see a steady sacramento team? a team that will stop giving flashes only and develop into something good.

The guy just turned 22, what more can you expect out of him? His name isn't LeBron. You can't expect your rookies that you draft every year to step in right away and be a star. If you think that, then I don't understand your fascination with Greene, because he won't do anything this coming season. MARTIN didn't impress me at all when I first saw him play, and now he is our best player. You just need to stop hating on Thompson and give the guy a chance to play an NBA season or 2, or better yet an NBA game or 2, before you write em off

 

[NME]

he didnt showoff in vegas either. i could understand if he dropped 40 points during summer league, but he didnt.

He did "showoff" if you have an awareness of anything besides a scoring total. Greene did drop 40 points, and yet Thompson showed more than him this summer.

 

[bajaden]

Didn't Debbie do Dallas?

I want to throw up when I hear Budweiser call itself "The King of Beers" and "The Great American Lager". When I hear Dallas being called "America's team", I think of Budweiser and usually do url in my mouth a little bit.

Hey, I'm from St Louis, where Budweiser IS King. Yeah, I meant to say Debbie Does Dallas. My fingers got ahead of my brain. What there is left of it. Never drank Bud, by the way.

 

[tyrant]

He did "showoff" if you have an awareness of anything besides a scoring total. Greene did drop 40 points, and yet Thompson showed more than him this summer.

hmm. a rebound and dunk to win the game is equivalent to scoring 40 points? i think not.

2nd thing, i never said donte would be this awesome player. i just said that him scoring 40 was a good thing. and to me thats more to get excited about. SacKings7, i never said what my expectations of thompson were. and im not expecting him to be a lebron. my argument is that NONE of us know what type of player he will become.

 

[NME]

hmm. a rebound and dunk to win the game is equivalent to scoring 40 points? i think not.

I would say to stop being absurdly reductive, but at this point I doubt that's a possibility.

 

[Warhawk]

hmm. a rebound and dunk to win the game is equivalent to scoring 40 points? i think not.

2nd thing, i never said donte would be this awesome player. i just said that him scoring 40 was a good thing. and to me thats more to get excited about. SacKings7, i never said what my expectations of thompson were. and im not expecting him to be a lebron. my argument is that NONE of us know what type of player he will become.

You are arguing out of both sides of your mouth again - Thompson is one of the most lauded players to come out of VSL this year because of his scoring, speed, activity, general skill level, and last second shots and he's "done nothing", yet Greene pours in points in non-NBA games and it is a "good thing"......

 

[tyrant]

You are arguing out of both sides of your mouth again - Thompson is one of the most lauded players to come out of VSL this year because of his scoring, speed, activity, general skill level, and last second shots and he's "done nothing", yet Greene pours in points in non-NBA games and it is a "good thing"......

#1. donte averaged over 22 points this summer league. he finished 2nd in scoring behind bayless

#2. there was a poll with 5 names on it. asking which player was the most impressive during summer league. thompsons name wasnt on it. but donte's was. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

now, if you feel comfortable enough and you want to talk about agility lets do it!!!!

 

[Kingsguy881]

#1. donte averaged over 22 points this summer league. he finished 2nd in scoring behind bayless

#2. there was a poll with 5 names on it. asking which player was the most impressive during summer league. thompsons name wasnt on it. but donte's was. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

now, if you feel comfortable enough and you want to talk about agility lets do it!!!!

Where is this poll. Link, please.

 

[Warhawk]

I don't know about you, but I don't think that 16 and 8.5 is all that shabby for Thompson, and not sure we really need a "gunner" who shoots 42%.

I'm not putting down Greene for his VSL showing, just saying there is more to the story than "40-pts" vs. "one putback dunk". I like having a player that can hit last-second winning shots.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-33-74/Maurice-Brooks--Summer-League-Wrap-Up.html

My Favorite Gunner: Donte Greene, Rockets
Greene sent a message to the teams that let him slip to No. 28 in the draft by scoring 40 points on 12-for-20 shooting in his first summer-league game. He then went out and missed 35 of 51 shot attempts over the course of his next three games. But that mini-slump didn't hurt Greene's confidence. He ended summer league with a strong 9-for-16 showing (22 points) as the Rockets topped the Kings on Sunday. Greene, who shot 42.5 percent overall, finished second to Portland's Jerryd Bayless in scoring with an average of 22.6 points per game.

Mr. Clutch of Summer League: Jason Thompson, Kings
Thompson hit not one, but two game-winning shots. His three-point play in overtime helped the Kings top the Blazers, and he had a tip-in and free throw in the final 20 seconds of a three-point victory over the Warriors. The 6-foot-11 forward out of Rider averaged 16.2 points and 8.6 rebounds per contest.


Edit - although, a different article by the same author also said this:

BEST SINGLE-GAME PERFORMANCE: Donte' Greene, Rockets
His 40-point outburst against the Suns may have been the greatest game in NBA Summer League history. How can you argue? In 36 minutes, he didn't commit a turnover, needed only 20 shots to get his 40, drained 50 percent of his 10 3-point attempts and added three rebounds, three assists and two steals. And his team won.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-33-56/Summer-League--Midweek-Awards.html

 

[NME]

#1. donte averaged over 22 points this summer league. he finished 2nd in scoring behind bayless

#2. there was a poll with 5 names on it. asking which player was the most impressive during summer league. thompsons name wasnt on it. but donte's was. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

now, if you feel comfortable enough and you want to talk about agility lets do it!!!!

That’s not surprising considering that your average fan who doesn’t have much understanding of the game is impressed by superficial things like a meaningless high scoring total. You’re not exactly strengthening your case.

On the other hand David Thorpe, an analyst who studies these players in depth, had Thompson and not Greene on his list of the five most impressive Summer League players.

 

[EricDraven]

Its like I said in the very first thread i started here. The rebuilding has begun. I am very happy with the direction this team is going.

 

[tyrant]

That’s not surprising considering that your average fan who doesn’t have much understanding of the game is impressed by superficial things like a meaningless high scoring total. You’re not exactly strengthening your case.

On the other hand David Thorpe, an analyst who studies these players in depth, had Thompson and not Greene on his list of the five most impressive Summer League players.

meaningless scoring total? please re-read what you typed. there seems to be a discrepancy on what an effective NBA player does. maybe you need an encyclopedia instead. since when did point total mean nothing???

 

[Dime Dropper]

meaningless scoring total? please re-read what you typed. there seems to be a discrepancy on what an effective NBA player does. maybe you need an encyclopedia instead. since when did point total mean nothing???

Seriously, like alot of the other debates you part-take in, you're going nowhere with this. Do you even remember what you said in the 1st place? It was that no one was impressed by Thompson. You're wrong, end of story. Plenty were impressed by him, and rightly so.

 

[NME]

meaningless scoring total? please re-read what you typed. there seems to be a discrepancy on what an effective NBA player does. maybe you need an encyclopedia instead. since when did point total mean nothing???

When it's the FREAKING SUMMER LEAGUE where athletic wing players who are willing to streetball it and look for their shot ROUTINELY put up high scoring totals, whether or not they are of NBA calibar. Ricky Minard who never made a regular season roster put up multiple 20+ games for us. So did Gerald Wallace long before he'd developed an inkling of an NBA offensive game. So do several similar players that will never ever make an impact in the NBA every summer. This is going back a ways, but I think Henry Turner did something similar in whichever summer league we participated in at that time. This happens every year, and every year people develop amnesia and get all worked up by these performances again.

Donte incidentally showed some nice skills along the way while he put up those scoring numbers, but make no mistake that the numbers themselves indicated more than anything the willingness to shoot. The skillset Greene showed is what's important, as it is with Thompson, and many knowledgable observers noted that the skills Thompson showed are more impressive at this point. Hanging everything on scoring numbers in this context is simplistic thinking at best.

 

[Kingsguy881]

Hey, I'm from St Louis, where Budweiser IS King. Yeah, I meant to say Debbie Does Dallas. My fingers got ahead of my brain. What there is left of it. Never drank Bud, by the way.

You aren't missing much....

 

[Telemachus]

meaningless scoring total? please re-read what you typed. there seems to be a discrepancy on what an effective NBA player does. maybe you need an encyclopedia instead. since when did point total mean nothing???

If we were talking about an NBA game, you would have a point. In Summer League play, scoring totals are pretty much meaningless.

It is always the gunners that score a lot in Summer League, while big men get fewer shots (unless the team is trying to showcase them for the fans).

Every year there are players who put up a lot of points in Summer League play that never do anything in the NBA (many never even make a team).

It is nice to have someone who can score, but unless it translates to the next level it is meaningless.

 

[Spike]

Answer: Von Wafer

Question:

Who scored 42 points in a 2007 Summer League game?


I don't even know who Von Wafer is. He sounds like an evil German cookie.
Notice how everyone is referencing Thompson's skill set. They way he was able to run the floor, his ability to be in the right place at the right time, etc. etc. That will translate to the NBA much better than streetballin' your way to 40 points.

It's time to step up your game, the season's a'comin'.

 

[kennadog]

I don't even know who Von Wafer is. He sounds like an evil German cookie.

You got me ROTFL.

 

[Kingster]

Question:


I don't even know who Von Wafer is. He sounds like an evil German cookie.

That's an all-time best on this board!

 

[tyrant]

whatever

 

[Kingsguy881]

whatever

Translation: I'm beaten, but I can't admit to that.

 

[tyrant]

Translation: I'm beaten, but I can't admit to that.

no. i have not been beaten. im just throwing in the towel. some people just dont get it. ive stated the facts. facts that no one can dispute with evidence of their own. they try to soften it up with pity and emotion. they refuse to bring logic of their own.

 

[Heuge]

they refuse to bring logic of their own.

My day has just been made. Its all smiles from here on out.

 

[NME]

no. i have not been beaten. im just throwing in the towel. some people just dont get it. ive stated the facts. facts that no one can dispute with evidence of their own. they try to soften it up with pity and emotion. they refuse to bring logic of their own.