KINGS affiliated with RENO D-League team

[CruzDude]

Back in February it was announced the D-League will put a team in Reno to play this winter. A month ago or so it was announced that the Kings and the Knicks would be the two affiliates for that D-League team. I keep hearing wishes or desires that the D-League become like the AAA farm teams for major league baseball, one AAA for each MLB team.

Might be doable in couple of years but what a place to build talent or to find out if your draft choices have the talent to get up to the NBA. It would be a level above Summer League. Right now an NBA team can assign a guy to D-League only 3 times a year if the bring him up to the NBA level and send him back.

The wondering in this thread is who from Summer League would the Kings contribute to the Reno team? If they get 6 of the 12 spots I see Ewing, Hawkins, Malone, McCalebb and maybe Townes, who at 6-10 and 250 was a very active big body in the minutes he played on Wednesday.

 

[pkballr]

Unless there's two different Townes, I think you might of added one extra.

 

[bajaden]

Here's my question Cruz. Can you sign players for the D league and not have them count against the parent teams salary cap. My understanding is, that up to now, in order to send a player to the D league and have control over said player, you would have to sign him to a contract and that all player contracts count against the cap.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the rules. I would see no point in sending player to the D league without some sort of contract. Otherwise you would have no control over that player, plus that player would be able to sign with any team he wanted at any time he wanted. Hopefully you can set me straight on this one, because I thought that was the flaw in the D league as it was set up.

 

[Gary]

^^^^^^

What bajaden said. Would those players count against the cap? Could we have a max salary for D league players being the min NBA salary?

If it was a totally different cap structure I would totally be for it. I would put quite a few players on that team.

 

[bajaden]

^^^^^^

What bajaden said. Would those players count against the cap? Could we have a max salary for D league players being the min NBA salary?

If it was a totally different cap structure I would totally be for it. I would put quite a few players on that team.

I'm all for the league. Maybe they could set it up where you could designate two, maybe three players max, that you could bring up during the season and have a limit on how many times you could bring them up. And only those players contracts would count against the cap. Have it set up where you don't have to designate any players if you don't want to, but it all has to be done before the season starts.

Have it where only the designated players would fall under the minumim salary structure of the NBA, and the rest would fall under what ever salary structure is set up for the D league. The parent team or teams would also be responsible for the coaching staff and all expenses of anything team related. Ticket sales, advertising, concessions, which could be subbed out.

I think you could have some pretty competitive teams that would be fun to watch, and might eventually be profitable, if promoted the right way.

OK, I'll shut up now. I'm so far ahead of myself, I can't see my butt.

 

[kennadog]

Don't those players also take up roster spots on the NBA team?

 

[Aenadin]

why dont they just put every player in a suit in the D-league, so instead of them just playing practice games they PLAY in real competition to with hungry hungry players who want to get in the NBA.

 

[Entity]

then you run out of people to practice against when you NBA team practices.

 

[Aenadin]

oh so you mean they have to be with the D-league team while they practice too? dang...

well theres 12 guys active right... those guys practice playing against one another those 3 guys who will likely be in suits be sent there

i honestly thought that you can play with team practices and play in the d-league at the same time.. didnt farmar do that once?

 

[bajaden]

oh so you mean they have to be with the D-league team while they practice too? dang...

well theres 12 guys active right... those guys practice playing against one another those 3 guys who will likely be in suits be sent there

i honestly thought that you can play with team practices and play in the d-league at the same time.. didnt farmar do that once?

That would be interesting if your NBA team was the, lets say the Rockets, and your D league team was the Topeka Capitols. I just made that team up by the way. Anyway, it would be a hell of a commute.

 

[CruzDude]

Here's my question Cruz. Can you sign players for the D league and not have them count against the parent teams salary cap. My understanding is, that up to now, in order to send a player to the D league and have control over said player, you would have to sign him to a contract and that all player contracts count against the cap.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the rules. I would see no point in sending player to the D league without some sort of contract. Otherwise you would have no control over that player, plus that player would be able to sign with any team he wanted at any time he wanted. Hopefully you can set me straight on this one, because I thought that was the flaw in the D league as it was set up.

There are two types of players on a D-League team: those with NBA contracts for the mother team who are sent to the D-League, and those effective Free Agents who sign minimum salary contracts direct with the team. The Kings and Knicks support the team with money and guidance and 1-2 of their own players.

Each NBA team must have a minimum of 13 to a maximum of 15 players under contract, including any injured players as there is no longer an "Injured Reserve" category, just eligible and not-eligible to play (or words to that effect). I also think, but don't know for sure, that an NBA team can send a maximum of 2 players to the D-League and any one sent can be retrieved any time but only sent to D-League a max of 3 times in one season.

Last year the Kings were affiliated with Bakersfield but sent no one down the entire year so that roster was all D-league minimum contracts of FA's trying to get on with their sponsor team. I also think there is some swapping of D-league players among teams but don't know what the protocol is other than maybe a straight trade.

Hope this helps.

 

[bajaden]

There are two types of players on a D-League team: those with NBA contracts for the mother team who are sent to the D-League, and those effective Free Agents who sign minimum salary contracts direct with the team. The Kings and Knicks support the team with money and guidance and 1-2 of their own players.

Each NBA team must have a minimum of 13 to a maximum of 15 players under contract, including any injured players as there is no longer an "Injured Reserve" category, just eligible and not-eligible to play (or words to that effect). I also think, but don't know for sure, that an NBA team can send a maximum of 2 players to the D-League and any one sent can be retrieved any time but only sent to D-League a max of 3 times in one season.

Last year the Kings were affiliated with Bakersfield but sent no one down the entire year so that roster was all D-league minimum contracts of FA's trying to get on with their sponsor team. I also think there is some swapping of D-league players among teams but don't know what the protocol is other than maybe a straight trade.

Hope this helps.

Yeah, it helps, and unfortunately its as I thought it would be. But thanks for the info. I would rather it be set up more along the lines of major league baseball. If I'm sending one or two players that I'm high on to the D league, I would want some sort of control over the coaching.

I would want to know that they're being coached in a way thats condusive with the needs and the style of my team. I don't think this league will ever be a sucess until they change how its set up. Well, I guess we just have to wait and see.

 

[fnordius]

Don't those players also take up roster spots on the NBA team?

My understanding has always been that there are 2 basic types of D league players: those who are under contract with an NBA team, who count against cap and roster limits, and who can be brought into play by the team, and those who are not under NBA contract, who can be signed as free agents by anyone who wants to.

Unless I'm mistaken about the above, then there's little incentive for a team with deadweight on their roster (like the Kings) to send anyone to the DL. KT and SAR have been taking up 2 inactive slots, which doesn't really leave us with any to spare on a DL guy. Plus we have 13 players already under contract for this year. Singletary would make it 14, which seems to be the number that Geoff likes to have.

I guess we can encourage some to join our DL team, and if they don't want to play overseas, maybe that will appeal to them. I just don't see how that's much different than simply saying goodbye to them at the end of the summer. Either way, they're FAs who will almost certainly sign the first NBA contract that's put in front of them.

We need to take a better look at the DL once KT and SAR are gone.

 

[JerN820]

Back in February it was announced the D-League will put a team in Reno to play this winter. A month ago or so it was announced that the Kings and the Knicks would be the two affiliates for that D-League team. I keep hearing wishes or desires that the D-League become like the AAA farm teams for major league baseball, one AAA for each MLB team.

Might be doable in couple of years but what a place to build talent or to find out if your draft choices have the talent to get up to the NBA. It would be a level above Summer League. Right now an NBA team can assign a guy to D-League only 3 times a year if the bring him up to the NBA level and send him back.

The wondering in this thread is who from Summer League would the Kings contribute to the Reno team? If they get 6 of the 12 spots I see Ewing, Hawkins, Townes, Malone, McCalebb and maybe Townes, who at 6-10 and 250 was a very active big body in the minutes he played on Wednesday.

I've been to a D League game and they are actually really fun. I can't see why they wouldnt become kind of like a AAA to basketball in a few years down the road. I think it's set up really well to succeed.

 

[CruzDude]

I've been to a D League game and they are actually really fun. I can't see why they wouldnt become kind of like a AAA to basketball in a few years down the road. I think it's set up really well to succeed.

I think it is all a cash thing right now. Reno is a tiny market compared to Sacramento, the 20th TV market in the country. Big/bigger market teams have a much better revenue stream to count on for a D-league team they may have. It also impacts the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA). My personal view is that to have a AAA farm system type setup the Union would want each team to have not 13 but 15 minimum players with up to 3 or 4 of those on the affiliated D-league team. Right now most teams want 12-13 active players able to play on the bench every night.

The player side of how the D-League would be handled could take a year or two to work out. Maybe it will be a David Stern legacy, to get a AAA type farm system going in the NBA. Another part of his legacy should be to eliminate multi-year guaranteed contracts. but that's another thread entirely.

 

[bajaden]

I think it is all a cash thing right now. Reno is a tiny market compared to Sacramento, the 20th TV market in the country. Big/bigger market teams have a much better revenue stream to count on for a D-league team they may have. It also impacts the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA). My personal view is that to have a AAA farm system type setup the Union would want each team to have not 13 but 15 minimum players with up to 3 or 4 of those on the affiliated D-league team. Right now most teams want 12-13 active players able to play on the bench every night.

The player side of how the D-League would be handled could take a year or two to work out. Maybe it will be a David Stern legacy, to get a AAA type farm system going in the NBA. Another part of his legacy should be to eliminate multi-year guaranteed contracts. but that's another thread entirely.

I like the idea of 15 minimum players on each team. Perhaps they could revise the rules so that any player you send to the D league wouldn't count against the cap, unless you decide to bring him up.