bajaden
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Well, I said he didn't have much upside left, not "no upside left." I don't believe in just looking at years in the league to determine their stage of development, not all rookies are created equal.
You're looking a lot at overall ability, I'm looking more at specific abilities that are hard to find. He's very long, strong, has good hands, and good shot blocking instincts. Plus, there is reason to believe that he's being undervalued because of how underexposed he was in college. So there's a chance that the rule that bigs are less likely to pan out past the first 5 picks or so, won't necessarily apply to him as much. I think he'll be able to develop into a good rebounder. It's a risk, but the downside of losing Thompson, or Hawes+protected future pick for a bust is not catastrophic. He's the model of what we still need if we decide against Cousins, or are not in a position to get him. Waiting around for a developed player like that to come along may not be the best strategy. I think he's talented enough to warrant a late lotto pick in any draft, that's just my opinion on him at this point though. I wouldn't expect anyone else to agree to this unless they thought fairly highly of him.
Thompson being the best rebounder on this team isn't really saying much. If we go forward depending on Thompson as our best rebounder, we're headed nowhere anyway. I suppose it may hurt us in that area next year, but it's not like Thompson is a great rebounder or anything, he's a good rebounder. The difference between him and his replacement(s) probably won't be that huge.
See that's the difference between you and me. First off, I don't really concern myself too much with keeping players together unless they're part of the core, or you already have a complete core. I don't consider Thompson to be apart of the core, nor do I think our core is nearly complete. I see him as a role playing starter at best. A gap filler. Which is not without its value, I'd just rather trade that in for a chance (even if it's not necessarily a highly probable chance) at a much more valued core piece.
I respect your position baja, but personally, I'm more inclined to roll the dice.
I completely understand your position. I guess the difference between us, isn't whether we would want Orton, but what were willing to give up to get him. I'd be willing to let go of Hawes. Reluctantly, but he's already had his three years. I do see Thompson as one of our core pieces. I think he capable of 15 to 17 points and 10 boards a game and playing good defense. If he can do that, then he's one of the better PF's in the league. He's also very durable and capable of playing two positions. Now that may not make him a superstar, but it makes him more than just a throw away player in a trade.
I tend to be more patient with players. Comes from making too many mistakes in the past. Nowitzki was almost booed out of Dallas his first year. His second year was better, but it wasn't until his third year that he looked like the Dirk we all know today. Now everyone can say, yeah well, we all knew he was going to be good eventually, but I don't think they did. There were fans in Dallas that after his second year, wanted to trade Nowitzki while he appeared to have some value.
So while your the dice roller, I'm the careful one. Hey, it takes all kinds to make the world go round.