bajaden
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I was watching the game on line, so I didn't have that problem..
Kings 2009-2010 NBA Draft:
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I was watching the game on line, so I didn't have that problem..
hammystyle
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I think it'd be a great year to do that. I think they should kind of avoid the free agent market and reallocate some dollars that way. Even early to mid 2nd rounders make sense because there's some really useful depth out there.
bajaden
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Well you picked two guys that are very athletic, and two guys that both have trouble with their outside shot. However I don't think thats a big concern. I would throw James Anderson into the mix if you want a pure shooter to come off the bench. Personally, if we could aquire another 1st round pick and we were to get lucky enough to get a Favors or a Cousins, I would go after Whiteside with the other 1st round pick. He's not even close to being able to play in the NBA right now, but he would be a nice player to have sitting on the bench to learn, and be there for the future.
I think he's going to slide down the draft boards. He's extremely raw and really only has on talent. Blocking shots! If not, then I would go after Varnado in the second round. He would be a perfect player to come off the bench and give you defense. Especially weakside defense.
If we can't get Favors or Cousin's then my hope is that Aldrich falls down the board a bit to us.. He's not a sexy choice but he's a solid player that brings defense and rebounding. I'm surprised that Omar Samhan's name isn't even on the draft boards as of now. One more good showing and I think that will change.
Vlade4GM
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I'm just saying that I didn't see much in the particular game I watched. He does look laterally quick and of course he's got good length and hops.
Just because there are a lot of big men available, doesn't mean we should just pick one automatically. It should depend who is still on the board when our pick comes up. If there aren't many standouts left, then I'd rather go with Johnson if he's still available and figure out the log jam later.
=LarryLegend=
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Wes Johnson, Donte Greene and Casspi is a nice problem to have, nice trade pieces for the future. praying for a Webber lockout trade. haha
MassachusettsKingsFan
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I consider Bradley a pretty good shooter. Bledsoe isnt terrible. Certainly better than Evans.. I llike them both for there D. Especially Bradley..
Small, quick point guards tend to hurt us. Reke is a good defender, but he lacks the speed to cover guys like Tony Parker. Were in a strange position, Usually combo guards fall in the draft because they lack a real position, but on our team, next to Reke, a Combo guard is what seems to fit him best. Someone who can take the pressure off him and help him out so he doesnt have to bring the ball up every play.
I read a "Stock up, Stock down" article by Chad Ford today. He mentioned Samhan .. Im sure GM's like him a lot more now than they did before the tournament .. I could see a team picking him up late in the first if he continues this run he's on. I would say hes been the MVP of the first two rounds so far. No way St. Marys wins those two games without him. St. Marys vs. Baylor is going to be awesome.
I hope Whiteside falls, and im sure Varnado will be there later, but it looks like Whiteside is gaining some momentum.
Kingster
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I agee. That's why I won't be surprised if we do choose a quick combo type guard that will be able to guard the Westbrook/Tony Parkers in the league, or at the least will share the duty with Tyreke. Beno doesn't cut it as a long term answer for that position. Never will. Against players that are about the same quickness as him, he's great. But there are too many guards in the league that overwhelm him with their quickness and athletic ability. Long term, he's best off the bench.
bajaden
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Bradley is the better shooter of the two, but he's very streaky. I've watched too many games where he went 3 for 12 from the floor. He's a freak athlete with a reported 40" vertical. Both are very good athlete's. On defense once again I'll give the edge to Bradley, but the difference is very slight. They're both good. Bradley also has the ability to guard SG's with his long wingspan. I also think that Bradley plays with a little more control. I wouldn't use a lottery pick on either of them, but yes, with a second first round pick, maybe. It would depend on who else is available.
And Yes, I can't wait for the St. Mary's/Baylor matchup.
bajaden
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Yeah, I read all the same stuff. Once again I'll chalk it up to being young and immature. Its also reported that he's unlikely to go back to college because he's having trouble keeping up his grades in order to remain elligible. If he gets drafted where he should be drafted, he'll go somewhere between 15 and 20. He would be a great pick for a contender like the Spurs or the Mav's. Someone that doesn't need production from him right now, but can take the time to develop him for the future.
Or, someone like us. As long as no one expects him to come in and the next Marcus Camby right away.
bajaden
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I'm sure you don't mean in the lottery, right? There's no way you choose either Bradley or Bledsoe in the top ten picks. It would be nice to have either player, but neither fit an immediate need. Beno is doing a much better job than I thought he would. He's having a good year. And while I can see having someone better might help in some instances, I don't think its a big difference maker. A defensive minded center would make a big difference and that where the need lies. Thats assuming that we don't luck out and get the first or second pick in the draft.
bajaden
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Rather than start a new thread, I thought I would go through each team thats currently in front of us one at a time and see who I think they might be interested in. And everyone feel free to jump in with their own opinion.
The Nets: Offseason roster.
PG: Devin Harris: 3 years remaining on his contract
PF: Yi Jianlian: 2 years remaining
PF: Kris Humphries: 1 year remaining
C : Brook Lopez: 3 years remaining
SG: Terrence Williams: 4 years remaining
SG: Courtney Lee: 3 years remaining
PF: Josh Boone: 1 year remaining: Qualifying offer
PG: Keyon Dooling: 1 year remaining: Team option
SG: Chris Douglas Roberts: 2 years remaining: 1st year is a team option
Needs: Well they definitely need a backup center. They could use a backup PG. Dooling is a good defender but lacks top point guard skills. If their not sold on Jianlian then they might look at a PF. If they remain the first pick in the draft they'll have a tough decision to make between Turner and Wall. Turner would fit their needs better. But to be honest they don't need either one. Either Cousins or Favors would be a better pick of need. Trading down might be a possiblility for them.
They are definitely going to be players in the free agent market with only 22.2 million dollars committed to salary.
The Nets: Offseason roster.
PG: Devin Harris: 3 years remaining on his contract
PF: Yi Jianlian: 2 years remaining
PF: Kris Humphries: 1 year remaining
C : Brook Lopez: 3 years remaining
SG: Terrence Williams: 4 years remaining
SG: Courtney Lee: 3 years remaining
PF: Josh Boone: 1 year remaining: Qualifying offer
PG: Keyon Dooling: 1 year remaining: Team option
SG: Chris Douglas Roberts: 2 years remaining: 1st year is a team option
Needs: Well they definitely need a backup center. They could use a backup PG. Dooling is a good defender but lacks top point guard skills. If their not sold on Jianlian then they might look at a PF. If they remain the first pick in the draft they'll have a tough decision to make between Turner and Wall. Turner would fit their needs better. But to be honest they don't need either one. Either Cousins or Favors would be a better pick of need. Trading down might be a possiblility for them.
They are definitely going to be players in the free agent market with only 22.2 million dollars committed to salary.
bajaden
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The Timberwolves: Offseason roster:
PF: Al Jefferson: 3 years remaining on his contract.
SF: Ryan Gomes: 3 years remaining.
PG: Ramon Sessions: 3 years remaining.
PF: Kevin Love: 3 years remaining.
PG: Johnny Flynn: 4 years remaining.
SF: Corey Brewer: 2 years remaining.
SG: Wayne Ellington: 4 years remaining.
C: Ryan Hollins: 3 years remaining.
PF/C: Nathan Jawai: 1 year remaining: Qualifying offer.
Needs: Obviously they use another center other than Ryan Hollins. But I think it would be hard for them to pass up Evan Turner. The question is how many ball handlers do you need. I would think that if they were to draft Turner then they would trade the rights to Rubio. Both Flynn and Sessions can play off the ball, but Rubio needs the ball to be in his hands to be effective. Tough choice for the Wolves. Trading down is also a possibility for them. But for what? They already have three first round picks.
Definitely a player in the freeagent market with only 35.1 million committed this offseason.
PF: Al Jefferson: 3 years remaining on his contract.
SF: Ryan Gomes: 3 years remaining.
PG: Ramon Sessions: 3 years remaining.
PF: Kevin Love: 3 years remaining.
PG: Johnny Flynn: 4 years remaining.
SF: Corey Brewer: 2 years remaining.
SG: Wayne Ellington: 4 years remaining.
C: Ryan Hollins: 3 years remaining.
PF/C: Nathan Jawai: 1 year remaining: Qualifying offer.
Needs: Obviously they use another center other than Ryan Hollins. But I think it would be hard for them to pass up Evan Turner. The question is how many ball handlers do you need. I would think that if they were to draft Turner then they would trade the rights to Rubio. Both Flynn and Sessions can play off the ball, but Rubio needs the ball to be in his hands to be effective. Tough choice for the Wolves. Trading down is also a possibility for them. But for what? They already have three first round picks.
Definitely a player in the freeagent market with only 35.1 million committed this offseason.
bajaden
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The Warriors: Offseason roster:
SG: Monta Ellis: 4 years remaining on his contract.
C : Andris Biedrins: 4 years remaining.
SG: Corey Maggette: 3 years remaining.
SF: Vladmir Radmanovic: 1 year remaining: Player option.
PF: Ronny Turiaf: 2 years remaining.
SG: Kelenna Azubuike: 1 year remaining.
PG: Stephen Curry: 4 years remaining.
PF: Brandon Wright: 2 years remaining.
SF: Anthony Randolph: 3 years remaining.
SG: Anthony Morrow: 1 year remaining.
Needs: Well who the hell knows? With Nellie at the helm they could choose anyone. They need a backup center and possibly a backup PG. I could see Nellie going for Favors because he's a very good athlete and can run the floor and play defense. Something the Warriors need. On the other hand I could see Nellie reaching a little and taking Aminu, who would fit nicely into his system of run and gun. I don't see him taking Cousins. Nellie has never liked traditional centers.
The Warriors aren't players in the free agent market with 53.1 million committed in salary.
SG: Monta Ellis: 4 years remaining on his contract.
C : Andris Biedrins: 4 years remaining.
SG: Corey Maggette: 3 years remaining.
SF: Vladmir Radmanovic: 1 year remaining: Player option.
PF: Ronny Turiaf: 2 years remaining.
SG: Kelenna Azubuike: 1 year remaining.
PG: Stephen Curry: 4 years remaining.
PF: Brandon Wright: 2 years remaining.
SF: Anthony Randolph: 3 years remaining.
SG: Anthony Morrow: 1 year remaining.
Needs: Well who the hell knows? With Nellie at the helm they could choose anyone. They need a backup center and possibly a backup PG. I could see Nellie going for Favors because he's a very good athlete and can run the floor and play defense. Something the Warriors need. On the other hand I could see Nellie reaching a little and taking Aminu, who would fit nicely into his system of run and gun. I don't see him taking Cousins. Nellie has never liked traditional centers.
The Warriors aren't players in the free agent market with 53.1 million committed in salary.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
The Pacers: Offseason roster:
PF: Troy Murphy: 1 year remaining on his contract.
SF: Mike Dunleavy: 1 year remaining.
SF: Danny Granger: 4 years remaining.
PG: T.J. Ford: 1 year remaining: Player option.
C : Jeff Foster: 1 year remaining.
PG: Jamaal Tinsley: 1 year remaining.
SG: Dahntay Jones: 3 years remaining.
SG: Brandon Rush: 3 years remaining.
PF: Tyler Hansbrough: 4 years remaining.
C : Roy Hibbert: 3 years remaining.
PF: Solomon Jones: 1 year remaining.
PF: Josh McRoberts: 1 year remaining: Team option.
Needs: They could use another center. Either a backup or an upgrade if they don't think Hibbert is permanent starter. They have two point guards, but both are expiring contracts and one is injury prone, so a point guard is not out of the question. Turner would also be a good fit, but will probably be gone. Best player available springs to mind unless they want to make a reach or trade down.
They're not a player in the free agent market with 64.6 million committed to salary.
PF: Troy Murphy: 1 year remaining on his contract.
SF: Mike Dunleavy: 1 year remaining.
SF: Danny Granger: 4 years remaining.
PG: T.J. Ford: 1 year remaining: Player option.
C : Jeff Foster: 1 year remaining.
PG: Jamaal Tinsley: 1 year remaining.
SG: Dahntay Jones: 3 years remaining.
SG: Brandon Rush: 3 years remaining.
PF: Tyler Hansbrough: 4 years remaining.
C : Roy Hibbert: 3 years remaining.
PF: Solomon Jones: 1 year remaining.
PF: Josh McRoberts: 1 year remaining: Team option.
Needs: They could use another center. Either a backup or an upgrade if they don't think Hibbert is permanent starter. They have two point guards, but both are expiring contracts and one is injury prone, so a point guard is not out of the question. Turner would also be a good fit, but will probably be gone. Best player available springs to mind unless they want to make a reach or trade down.
They're not a player in the free agent market with 64.6 million committed to salary.
vikinginferno
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If the Pacers were to fall into a spot where Cousins is the BPA, do you think if they take him, then Hibbert would become available? I think Hibbert could be a great acquisition for this team.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
I don't think the Nets will have any qualms about taking Wall or Turner, so they definitely don't trade down. I think they take Wall, greater potential as a franchise player, and will have more marketability and popularity.
Minnesota may have a tough decision if they get the number 1 pick. Turner is definitely the better fit and IMO exactly what they need. I don't think having Rubio at point prevents them from taking Turner at all. Turner and Rubio can work together just fine, Turner doesn't need to have the ball to be effective and he definitely doesn't need to pound the ball to score. He's playing out of position at Ohio State, he'll be less of a ball handler in the NBA.
The problem with the Warriors is that it's hard to tell exactly how much pull Nellie has over the FO decision making. I think they might prefer Favors since he is more defensive oriented and fits better with an up tempo offense, but they'd probably be fine with Cousins as well. If they fell a lot, I could also see them liking Johnson or Aminu, but with Randolph and Maggette, that's getting a little cramped at the forward position. They'd really benefit from moving Maggette's deal somehow.
Minnesota may have a tough decision if they get the number 1 pick. Turner is definitely the better fit and IMO exactly what they need. I don't think having Rubio at point prevents them from taking Turner at all. Turner and Rubio can work together just fine, Turner doesn't need to have the ball to be effective and he definitely doesn't need to pound the ball to score. He's playing out of position at Ohio State, he'll be less of a ball handler in the NBA.
The problem with the Warriors is that it's hard to tell exactly how much pull Nellie has over the FO decision making. I think they might prefer Favors since he is more defensive oriented and fits better with an up tempo offense, but they'd probably be fine with Cousins as well. If they fell a lot, I could also see them liking Johnson or Aminu, but with Randolph and Maggette, that's getting a little cramped at the forward position. They'd really benefit from moving Maggette's deal somehow.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
The Wizards: Offseason roster:
PG: Gilbert Arenas: 4 years remaining on contract.
SF: Josh Howard: 1 year remaining: Team option.
PG: Randy Foye: 1 year remaining: Qualifying offer.
PF/C: Andray Blatche: 2 years remaining.
PF: Al Thorton: 2 years remaining.
SG: Nick Young: 2 years remaining.
C : JaVale McGee: 3 years remaining.
SG: Quinton Ross: 1 year remaining: Player option.
Needs: Could definitely use help at the center position or the PF position. They also need help at the SG position or the SF position if they decide Josh Smith isn't in their long range plans. In truth, they need a lot of help.
They should be big players in the freeagent market with only 29.1 million committed to salary.
PG: Gilbert Arenas: 4 years remaining on contract.
SF: Josh Howard: 1 year remaining: Team option.
PG: Randy Foye: 1 year remaining: Qualifying offer.
PF/C: Andray Blatche: 2 years remaining.
PF: Al Thorton: 2 years remaining.
SG: Nick Young: 2 years remaining.
C : JaVale McGee: 3 years remaining.
SG: Quinton Ross: 1 year remaining: Player option.
Needs: Could definitely use help at the center position or the PF position. They also need help at the SG position or the SF position if they decide Josh Smith isn't in their long range plans. In truth, they need a lot of help.
They should be big players in the freeagent market with only 29.1 million committed to salary.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
Actually, you could make the argument that the PF position is the only position they don't need help at. I think Blatche has proven since the deadline that he's capable of being an all-star quality talent. They probably opt out of Howard's contract and let him go.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
If they were to draft Turner, do you think they really have a need for Rubio, Flynn, and Sessions along with Turner. Yeah, I think Turner could play in just about any system. But his strength is with the ball in his hands. I can't see Rubio being effective without the ball in his hands, whereas either Sessions or Flynn are capable of doing so. You can make anything work, but some things work better than others.
Yeah, I could see Nellie taking Johnson. He would fit nicely into his scheme. But your right, it would create a bigger logjam. The one thing about Johnson is that he's a terrific rebounder for his position and the Warriors could certainly use that. The Warriors are a mess, and now up for sale. Who knows what will happen with them.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Yeah, I think they would take him, but that doesn't mean Hibbert is available. The only other center they have is Jeff Foster and he's on an expiring contract. I think they would keep both Cousins and Hibbert and be set at the center position.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
He's more effective with the ball in his hands sure, but it's not imperative that he dominate the ball. He won't disappear with Rubio creating and that's the important thing. Besides, Rubio is not going to be a scorer they rely on, they're going to need someone who can create a shot off the dribble in crunch time anyways, can't get around that problem with Rubio. I don't think Sessions or Flynn are close enough to Rubio, talent wise, to make the difference between their off-ball skills significant enough to either trade Rubio, or not pick Turner. I think Flynn and/or Sessions are seen as insurance/trade chips by Minny's FO.
bajaden
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Kingster
Hall of Famer
I don't care about immediate need. Until we're in the playoffs and need an "extra piece" to get a championship, I just care about bpa. If that's a combo guard, great. If not, that's fine too. I haven't seen Udoh much or Whiteside, but if they are very athletic big guys, I'd be happy with them. But I'm not sold on the one-way defensive center thing. With a guy like Tyreke who needs space on the drive, that center is going to be clogging the works. He better be a major force on D so he can start a lot of breaks, otherwise net-net it's going to be more a minus than a plus.
Jechtsphere
Starter
There is a chart here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft_Lottery and yes according to that we could.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
Well at least they'll have a backup for their backup's backup. I'm confused!..
There's definitely a lot of trades on Minny's horizon. They have good pieces though and that's what you want. You can figure out how everything fits later. Although, if they had gotten Curry, they would've had the bpa, a stopgap PG, and someone who would have fit in the same backcourt with Rubio all in one package.
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bajaden
Hall of Famer
I didn't personally hear this. My son did, so if someone else did hear the interview and my son's interputation needs correcting, do so. But my son said he heard an interview by Koz of Jerry Reynolds. During the interview he asked Jerry about Rubio. Jerry said that when the Kings bring in players that there's a series of tests that their given to test their athleticism, strength, etc. He said that Rubio scored the lowest in the Kings history of giving the test. And after that he was never a consideration. So take that for what its worth. Hearsay!
Even lower than Vlade?
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Ok, let me rephrase this. Neither Bledsoe or Bradley would be the BPA in the top ten in my humble opinion. Nor would Whiteside. Udoh might be considered a small reach depending on whose doing the drafting. Now if your biggest need is for a big man, preferly a center, then I think you try to fill that need if you can justify the pick by saying that there really isn't anyone else available thats head and shoulders above him. If all things are close to equal and you have a chance to fill a need, you do so.
The strength of this draft is big men. To draft a combo guard like Bledsoe or Bradley over a good big man would be just plain stupid. Now if were talking about Turner or Wall, thats different. Maybe even Johnson, depending on which big man is available.
I also don't necessarily agree that a defensive center would clog up the middle. You could say the same thing about an offensive center that plays primarily in the post. You can still spread the floor. Granted if the defensive center doesn't have any type of outside shot to respect, its harder for him to draw the opposing center out. But once Tyreke's midrange shot comes around it won't make much difference one way or the other.
