KG to the Kings??? (merged)
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Gilles said:
P.S. #2 I completely forgot the main reason why this trade won't happen: Petrie doesn't make trades that are being discussed already. Maloofs do though. 
When have the Kings ever done a deal that has been hotly discussed? Every single deal they've ever done has come by surprise..., and I'm not exaggerating. Every single one. Even Artest for Peja (everyone thought the deal was dead). So, if we know what's good for us, we'll be quiet.
Venom said:
KG + Artest= COMBUSTION
I think it is pretty well documented that Artest does not like sharing the leadership mantle. How much difference is their between O'Neal and KG? How did the supersweet combo of O'Neal and Artest work out? Come to think of it, there is a big difference between JO and KG; KG is even more of a screamer and a grandstander. I think that would mesh well with Artest's approach.
But, I've said this all before, and you guys have ripped me before. Looks like we'll finally get to see who's right. My prediction: this looks like the deal of the millenium for the first four months, and then the wheels fall off shortly after the All-Star Break. I really don't like giving up Bibby either.
I think it is pretty well documented that Artest does not like sharing the leadership mantle. How much difference is their between O'Neal and KG? How did the supersweet combo of O'Neal and Artest work out? Come to think of it, there is a big difference between JO and KG; KG is even more of a screamer and a grandstander. I think that would mesh well with Artest's approach.
But, I've said this all before, and you guys have ripped me before. Looks like we'll finally get to see who's right. My prediction: this looks like the deal of the millenium for the first four months, and then the wheels fall off shortly after the All-Star Break. I really don't like giving up Bibby either.
Here is my reasoning: KG is a flowed genius/superstar but he is still geniue/superstar. Elite 5 player so far and probably for few more years to come. Suddenly, we are a contender. We've all seen what KG can do on good teams with leadership.
As for KG-Artest combustion potential: there are some similarities (to Artest-JO) but there are many reasons why KG-Artest would work:
- KG would be incoming player not Artest. Artest has estabilished himself as a leader and a fan favorite. There is nothing but love for Ron Ron in Sacramento.
- Unlike JO, KG is not often injured and does not miss time. As we all know, when superstars/leaders come back from injuries there is potential for conflict inherent in the process of returning leader/superstar re-estabilishing themselves.
- If Ron Ron will ever blow up again, he will blow up KG or no KG.
- KG as a screamer/overbearing leader: It took him years to become the ****** that he is in a very, very frustrating situation (Minny). Maybe change of scenery would bring on change of attitude (for a while at least).
- Alphabetically Artest comes before Garnett, SF's are listed before PF's, ROn Ron is a cult figure not just a basketball player, etc...
not if that player is Kevin Garnett.
Screw all the haters that say "the guy only made it past the first round once"! Yeah, which also happened to be the only year he had somewhat of a supporting cast.
Put any player in the league with NBDL-like talent around him and they won't make the playoffs either. INCLUDING the almighty and always superbly surrounded Tim Duncan.
Screw all the haters that say "the guy only made it past the first round once"! Yeah, which also happened to be the only year he had somewhat of a supporting cast.
Put any player in the league with NBDL-like talent around him and they won't make the playoffs either. INCLUDING the almighty and always superbly surrounded Tim Duncan.
KG is a walking double double and potential triple double everynight.
I would do it in a heartbeat! Chemistry issues aside, I believe Ron would get along -- they both are passionate about WINNING, something I can't say for some members of the Kings.
The issue about who'll be the leader is a moot point because when the Twolves went to the WCF a few years ago, everyone knew the real leader of that team was Sam Cassell...and KG defered to him a lot of the time. I don't think KG would have any issue with ROn being the "leader' of the team.
I would do it in a heartbeat! Chemistry issues aside, I believe Ron would get along -- they both are passionate about WINNING, something I can't say for some members of the Kings.
The issue about who'll be the leader is a moot point because when the Twolves went to the WCF a few years ago, everyone knew the real leader of that team was Sam Cassell...and KG defered to him a lot of the time. I don't think KG would have any issue with ROn being the "leader' of the team.
We saw Artest coming from a mile away.
Also SAR.
Garcia.
Miller (although we did not know who we were sending).
Its the internet era, anything significant rumbling will make the rounds. Was always a rather childish claim anyway -- that Geoff was somehow going to take his toys home and play with them by himself if anybody found out.
Flexibility can also = "losability".
This is how you win the whole enchilada. You get great players. There was the Detroit blip. But only a blip now apparently receding into history. Meanwhile you need Wade or Shaq or Dirk or Duncan or Kobe or the Admiral or Jordan or Pippen or Hakeem etc. etc. etc.
Its how you win. $$$ ain't important. Since we cannot trade away significantly less $$ than we are taking back anyway, not even like the payroll blossoms. Remember, we still have Chris Webber's contract on the team. It now just produces like garbage. Finding great players worth consolidating contracts for beats the hell out of having to stage rallies to avoid the lottery.
If the Kings could get KG for the trade package mentioned or something pretty close to that its a no-brainer. Artest+Garnett+Bibby or Bonzi+KMart+SAR+Decent Center = About a 3+ year window where we'd be championship contenders. I don't see that in our future right now unless we score big on a draft pick or maybe KMart turns into a top-20 player.
The problem is that this rumor is very unlikely. Its fun though
The problem is that this rumor is very unlikely. Its fun though
No, the Maloofs/Petrie got rid of Webber's salary because he was a greatly declining talent and an oft injured player who had a huge contract for several more seasons. As of today, Garnett only has 3 years left on his deal, while Kenny and Brad both have 4 years left on their deal. So we would be acquiring a healthy superstar during his peak seasons who has no significant injury history and three years left on his contract.
Yes but lets think about who was coaching KG when he went to the playoffs....the same guy who inherited a championship team and almost got beat by the Cavs. Flip is an offensive coach and not a defensive one. Not only can KG score but I think he still has some great defensive years ahead. He might be a perfect fit for our guys. Not to mention what a world of good it will do him to get out of Minnesota and come to California.
I feel the same way, they will need/want to dump a contract, and by the ESPN Trading Machine I see Blount as the likely person
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=556~849~901~70~261&teams=16~16~16~23~23
It got the green light!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=556~849~901~70~261&teams=16~16~16~23~23
It got the green light!
kg a king? there is no feasible scenario in which i say no to garnett. it'd be nice to get him with one or two solid pieces remaining to establish a core. preferably, i'd like that core to be bibby, artest, and garnett...with kevin martin also starting and prepped to become a real part of the core as he continues to improve. still need a center and backup center, given that we trade brad miller for kg...and its hard to come by two centers in the same offseason. as many have said, pryzbilla would be an ideal signing. with brad, it wouldn't work, because then you've just got two slow-footed white guys. trade brad and throw kg into the mix, and all of a sudden pryzbilla looks like the answer to our roster hole. and there's no way he says no to a team with kg if the money is also there. so:
C: joel pryzbilla
PF: kevin garnett
SF: ron artest
SG: kevin martin
PG: mike bibby
6th: shareef abdur-rahim
7th: francisco garcia
8th: sergei monia? ronnie price? corliss williamson?
not a whole lotta depth, but once the above major pieces are in place, any depth you can gain is just an added bonus. i have trouble buying the original rumor, because brad miller, kenny thomas, bonzi wells, and the 19th pick may not be worth kg...and there are plenty of takers out there with just as much as the kings--if not more--to offer the timberwolves. hm.
C: joel pryzbilla
PF: kevin garnett
SF: ron artest
SG: kevin martin
PG: mike bibby
6th: shareef abdur-rahim
7th: francisco garcia
8th: sergei monia? ronnie price? corliss williamson?
not a whole lotta depth, but once the above major pieces are in place, any depth you can gain is just an added bonus. i have trouble buying the original rumor, because brad miller, kenny thomas, bonzi wells, and the 19th pick may not be worth kg...and there are plenty of takers out there with just as much as the kings--if not more--to offer the timberwolves. hm.
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i'd be willing to give the wolves bibby, miller, SAR, monia and corliss's expiring contract for garnett and one of their bad large contracts.
what does this do for the wolves and why would they possibly do it?
it gives them a legitimate starting line up that can play and dump one of their large bad contracts. they still have their lottery pick and could possibly fill their SF void with it. all of a sudden their a play off contender again.
Miller, SAR, SF, jaric and bibby
what does this do for the kings? it gives them a legitimate superstar that can go off for a triple double on any given night and get rid of our defensive liabilities.
Pryz (if we can sign him for center) KG, RON, Bonzi, Price?
bench would be potato, KT, garcia, kmart, hart then we'd have to pick up a few other scrubs for the end of the bench at minimum.
haha, mchale wouldn't do this but its a realistic trade. i'm not going off saying lets give KT, 19th pick and brad for KG. any GM would laugh at those ridiculously lopsided trade offers. if orlando traded for francis, mobley and cato for mcgrady... also look what they got for shaq.
what does this do for the wolves and why would they possibly do it?
it gives them a legitimate starting line up that can play and dump one of their large bad contracts. they still have their lottery pick and could possibly fill their SF void with it. all of a sudden their a play off contender again.
Miller, SAR, SF, jaric and bibby
what does this do for the kings? it gives them a legitimate superstar that can go off for a triple double on any given night and get rid of our defensive liabilities.
Pryz (if we can sign him for center) KG, RON, Bonzi, Price?
bench would be potato, KT, garcia, kmart, hart then we'd have to pick up a few other scrubs for the end of the bench at minimum.
haha, mchale wouldn't do this but its a realistic trade. i'm not going off saying lets give KT, 19th pick and brad for KG. any GM would laugh at those ridiculously lopsided trade offers. if orlando traded for francis, mobley and cato for mcgrady... also look what they got for shaq.
Some things to consider about the trade:
- Garnett has a no-trade clause in his contract, meaning he can say no to any trade. Garnett wants to be on a winning team, and after this trade, the Kings have plenty of pieces left to become a contender (Artest, Bibby, SAR, Kevin Martin). Most trades with KG and other teams involve giving up most of the team for KG, like Chicago. He wants to be on a winning team, not a team where he is the only option left after the trade. This trade might not be the BEST deal, but it might be the best that is possible.
- McHale is looking BAD as the General Manager, and wants to win ASAP so he isn't fired. Why trade KG for parts that might be better in 2-4 years when there could be a different GM? He will want to go for a trade that will make the Wolves better NOW so that he can redeem himself.
- If they alter the trade (and they will have to for the salaries to work), the TWolves can get rid of their bad contracts (Blount, Hudson, Jaric) for expiring contracts from the Kings (Corliss, Vitaly, and Hart).
- This news is coming from Jonathan Givony, who is the president and founder of DraftExpress. The guy rarely makes trade rumors, as he is a draft expert. Why would he make a trade rumor if drafting is his specialty, and why would he risk his credibility as the president of DraftExpress?
If you look into this, it actually can make A LOT of sense for both teams. Kings become a contender, and the TWolves have a chance for a brighter future by unloading contracts and receiving three legitimate starters.
- Garnett has a no-trade clause in his contract, meaning he can say no to any trade. Garnett wants to be on a winning team, and after this trade, the Kings have plenty of pieces left to become a contender (Artest, Bibby, SAR, Kevin Martin). Most trades with KG and other teams involve giving up most of the team for KG, like Chicago. He wants to be on a winning team, not a team where he is the only option left after the trade. This trade might not be the BEST deal, but it might be the best that is possible.
- McHale is looking BAD as the General Manager, and wants to win ASAP so he isn't fired. Why trade KG for parts that might be better in 2-4 years when there could be a different GM? He will want to go for a trade that will make the Wolves better NOW so that he can redeem himself.
- If they alter the trade (and they will have to for the salaries to work), the TWolves can get rid of their bad contracts (Blount, Hudson, Jaric) for expiring contracts from the Kings (Corliss, Vitaly, and Hart).
- This news is coming from Jonathan Givony, who is the president and founder of DraftExpress. The guy rarely makes trade rumors, as he is a draft expert. Why would he make a trade rumor if drafting is his specialty, and why would he risk his credibility as the president of DraftExpress?
If you look into this, it actually can make A LOT of sense for both teams. Kings become a contender, and the TWolves have a chance for a brighter future by unloading contracts and receiving three legitimate starters.
It actually makes a lot of sense. This is what I posted in the topic on the personnel board:
Some things to consider about the trade:
- Garnett has a no-trade clause in his contract, meaning he can say no to any trade. Garnett wants to be on a winning team, and after this trade, the Kings have plenty of pieces left to become a contender (Artest, Bibby, SAR, Kevin Martin). Most trades with KG and other teams involve giving up most of the team for KG, like Chicago. He wants to be on a winning team, not a team where he is the only option left after the trade. This trade might not be the BEST deal, but it might be the best that is possible.
- McHale is looking BAD as the General Manager, and wants to win ASAP so he isn't fired. Why trade KG for parts that might be better in 2-4 years when there could be a different GM? He will want to go for a trade that will make the Wolves better NOW so that he can redeem himself.
- If they alter the trade (and they will have to for the salaries to work), the TWolves can get rid of their bad contracts (Blount, Hudson, Jaric) for expiring contracts from the Kings (Corliss, Vitaly, and Hart).
- This news is coming from Jonathan Givony, who is the president and founder of DraftExpress. The guy rarely makes trade rumors, as he is a draft expert. Why would he make a trade rumor if drafting is his specialty, and why would he risk his credibility as the president of DraftExpress?
If you look into this, it actually can make A LOT of sense for both teams. Kings become a contender, and the TWolves have a chance for a brighter future by unloading contracts and receiving three legitimate starters.
Some things to consider about the trade:
- Garnett has a no-trade clause in his contract, meaning he can say no to any trade. Garnett wants to be on a winning team, and after this trade, the Kings have plenty of pieces left to become a contender (Artest, Bibby, SAR, Kevin Martin). Most trades with KG and other teams involve giving up most of the team for KG, like Chicago. He wants to be on a winning team, not a team where he is the only option left after the trade. This trade might not be the BEST deal, but it might be the best that is possible.
- McHale is looking BAD as the General Manager, and wants to win ASAP so he isn't fired. Why trade KG for parts that might be better in 2-4 years when there could be a different GM? He will want to go for a trade that will make the Wolves better NOW so that he can redeem himself.
- If they alter the trade (and they will have to for the salaries to work), the TWolves can get rid of their bad contracts (Blount, Hudson, Jaric) for expiring contracts from the Kings (Corliss, Vitaly, and Hart).
- This news is coming from Jonathan Givony, who is the president and founder of DraftExpress. The guy rarely makes trade rumors, as he is a draft expert. Why would he make a trade rumor if drafting is his specialty, and why would he risk his credibility as the president of DraftExpress?
If you look into this, it actually can make A LOT of sense for both teams. Kings become a contender, and the TWolves have a chance for a brighter future by unloading contracts and receiving three legitimate starters.