KG to the Kings??? (merged)
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Why the Timberwolves might do this trade
I agree with the general sentiment here that the Wolves would get better offers for KG and probably won't do this trade.
However, I was thinking, if this was a real rumor (even if it doesn't go through), why would the T-Wolves consider this trade?
I think the reason lies with Kevin Mchale and not the Wolves best interest. The Wolves have gotten steadily worse and realistically, Mchale does not have a lot of job security. If they continue to underperform, Mchale could easily be out of a job in the next year or two. So while we are all debating what is in the T-Wolves best long-term interest, Mchale might not feel he has that kind of time.
Dealing Garnett for some young talent and picks (like they could with the Bulls) would mean that the Wolves would likely be rebuilding for another 2-4 years. At which time, Mchale might have made a nice core for another VP/GM. If Mchale wants to make the playoffs this year to save his job, he personally might value obtaining several talented veterans, like Miller and Bonzi, to complement their young players like Banks (assuming they would retain him).
I agree with the general sentiment here that the Wolves would get better offers for KG and probably won't do this trade.
However, I was thinking, if this was a real rumor (even if it doesn't go through), why would the T-Wolves consider this trade?
I think the reason lies with Kevin Mchale and not the Wolves best interest. The Wolves have gotten steadily worse and realistically, Mchale does not have a lot of job security. If they continue to underperform, Mchale could easily be out of a job in the next year or two. So while we are all debating what is in the T-Wolves best long-term interest, Mchale might not feel he has that kind of time.
Dealing Garnett for some young talent and picks (like they could with the Bulls) would mean that the Wolves would likely be rebuilding for another 2-4 years. At which time, Mchale might have made a nice core for another VP/GM. If Mchale wants to make the playoffs this year to save his job, he personally might value obtaining several talented veterans, like Miller and Bonzi, to complement their young players like Banks (assuming they would retain him).
Conversation between McHale and Petrie:
"Hey Kevin, this is Geoff."
"Geoff, I don't know who you are, but I'll give you a five-year deal for $65 million under the table, even if it costs me the next five first round draft picks..."
"Ummm... I'm a general manager, not a player."
"Fine. $70 million, that's my final offer. And make sure Stern hears about this."
"Hey Kevin, this is Geoff."
"Geoff, I don't know who you are, but I'll give you a five-year deal for $65 million under the table, even if it costs me the next five first round draft picks..."
"Ummm... I'm a general manager, not a player."
"Fine. $70 million, that's my final offer. And make sure Stern hears about this."
In theory, a:
PG- Bibby
OG-Davis
SF- lottery pick
PF- Thomas
C- Miller
team does not look THAT bad. Although note that taking 60% of the starting lineup from a 45 win team isn't exactly championship stuff.
In any case, deals like these have a bad bad history in the NBA. For the team trading the superstar that is. For the past year and a half I've been saying that we were one of the few teams with enough talented players to make such a move and still have something left. These kinds of things work for us. But it takes two to tango.
PG- Bibby
OG-Davis
SF- lottery pick
PF- Thomas
C- Miller
team does not look THAT bad. Although note that taking 60% of the starting lineup from a 45 win team isn't exactly championship stuff.
In any case, deals like these have a bad bad history in the NBA. For the team trading the superstar that is. For the past year and a half I've been saying that we were one of the few teams with enough talented players to make such a move and still have something left. These kinds of things work for us. But it takes two to tango.
As an LA King fan, losing Bibby would test whether the whole run since 99' has stuck in my veins. I will say it sickens me to see Dallas on the brink of winning a title before the Kings.
On the other hand the first thing that came to mind was Speedy Claxton's ties to Muscleman (I noticed Brick mentioned him earlier). He's a helluva player. Health is an issue, but Claxton, Artest and Garnett could certainly swallow up and destroy Bibby, Miller and Artest in a game of 3-3.
Health may well be an issue with Bibby these days, too. He seemed a bit battered the last third of the season.
On the other hand the first thing that came to mind was Speedy Claxton's ties to Muscleman (I noticed Brick mentioned him earlier). He's a helluva player. Health is an issue, but Claxton, Artest and Garnett could certainly swallow up and destroy Bibby, Miller and Artest in a game of 3-3.
Health may well be an issue with Bibby these days, too. He seemed a bit battered the last third of the season.
KG + Artest= COMBUSTION
I think it is pretty well documented that Artest does not like sharing the leadership mantle. How much difference is their between O'Neal and KG? How did the supersweet combo of O'Neal and Artest work out? Come to think of it, there is a big difference between JO and KG; KG is even more of a screamer and a grandstander. I think that would mesh well with Artest's approach.
But, I've said this all before, and you guys have ripped me before. Looks like we'll finally get to see who's right. My prediction: this looks like the deal of the millenium for the first four months, and then the wheels fall off shortly after the All-Star Break. I really don't like giving up Bibby either.
I think it is pretty well documented that Artest does not like sharing the leadership mantle. How much difference is their between O'Neal and KG? How did the supersweet combo of O'Neal and Artest work out? Come to think of it, there is a big difference between JO and KG; KG is even more of a screamer and a grandstander. I think that would mesh well with Artest's approach.
But, I've said this all before, and you guys have ripped me before. Looks like we'll finally get to see who's right. My prediction: this looks like the deal of the millenium for the first four months, and then the wheels fall off shortly after the All-Star Break. I really don't like giving up Bibby either.
Venom said:
KG + Artest= COMBUSTION
I think it is pretty well documented that Artest does not like sharing the leadership mantle. How much difference is their between O'Neal and KG? How did the supersweet combo of O'Neal and Artest work out? Come to think of it, there is a big difference between JO and KG; KG is even more of a screamer and a grandstander. I think that would mesh well with Artest's approach.
But, I've said this all before, and you guys have ripped me before. Looks like we'll finally get to see who's right. My prediction: this looks like the deal of the millenium for the first four months, and then the wheels fall off shortly after the All-Star Break. I really don't like giving up Bibby either.
I think it is pretty well documented that Artest does not like sharing the leadership mantle. How much difference is their between O'Neal and KG? How did the supersweet combo of O'Neal and Artest work out? Come to think of it, there is a big difference between JO and KG; KG is even more of a screamer and a grandstander. I think that would mesh well with Artest's approach.
But, I've said this all before, and you guys have ripped me before. Looks like we'll finally get to see who's right. My prediction: this looks like the deal of the millenium for the first four months, and then the wheels fall off shortly after the All-Star Break. I really don't like giving up Bibby either.
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I'd like to hope there's some credibility to this. But it can't even really be arranged until free agent discussions begin, and not official until signings can take place. That said, if #19 were to be included in the deal, we'd have to pick now knowing who the T-Wolves would want.
And I would think that, along with the Tinsley for Davis rumors, that it would be Bonzi rather than Bibby. Makes more sense for both teams, considering Sacramento's depth on the wings and the T-Wolves' (expensive) depth at PG already.
Sacto:
Bibby
Martin
Artest
KG
FA Center
6th: SAR/Garcia
and Minny:
Tinsley
Wells
#6 pick (Gay?)
Thomas
Miller
6th: McCants/#19
Looks OK. Of course, if Minny insists on Bibby, Sacto still has to pull the trigger and come up with contingency plan.
And I would think that, along with the Tinsley for Davis rumors, that it would be Bonzi rather than Bibby. Makes more sense for both teams, considering Sacramento's depth on the wings and the T-Wolves' (expensive) depth at PG already.
Sacto:
Bibby
Martin
Artest
KG
FA Center
6th: SAR/Garcia
and Minny:
Tinsley
Wells
#6 pick (Gay?)
Thomas
Miller
6th: McCants/#19
Looks OK. Of course, if Minny insists on Bibby, Sacto still has to pull the trigger and come up with contingency plan.
^The full depth chart looks even better for Minnesota since they would have real depth at every position:
Tinsley/Banks?/Hudson
Wells/McCants
Gay/Hassell
Thomas/Griffin
Miller/Blount/#19?
That's a solid team. I'm sure Wolves fans would howl, but it's solid.
P.S. (obviously they'd be dumb to trade KG and they would be worse off than before, but that kind of goes without saying)
Tinsley/Banks?/Hudson
Wells/McCants
Gay/Hassell
Thomas/Griffin
Miller/Blount/#19?
That's a solid team. I'm sure Wolves fans would howl, but it's solid.
P.S. (obviously they'd be dumb to trade KG and they would be worse off than before, but that kind of goes without saying)
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I don't think there will be any problems between Artest and KG. For one, KG has always wanted to win an NBA championship as well as Artest. They may not like each other but when you play ball, leave your personal matters in the locker room. Shaq and Kobe are a good example. Shaq would have loved to rip Kobe's head off with a smile on his face, but didnt because he needed him to win a championship.