KG, Allen, Pierce

[Sac.1989]

Boston rumored to be on the verge of breaking up their big 3 in a bid to ensure they stay competitive over the long run looking into the future.

Word is they will either let Allen and KG walk at the end of their contracts this season or trade them as the deadline approaches.

Pierce is drawing interest from around the league with many inquiring as to his availability being Bostons greatest asset bar Rondo.

Do we swing a trade for any ? should we overpay for the ageless Allen to help our outside shooting or perhaps the ageing KG to play next to DMC if we can or do we go all out and try bring in Pierce by giving up a young building block.

The one intangible any of these 3 would bring is that they know what it takes to win and are great leaders. Its not likely were in the running for any but id like to hear the boards opinion.

 

[ParniValjak]

Way too old to consider either of the 3.

We need the type of leaders that would have at least 3-4 years of good basketball left in them. The Boston big 3 are on their last legs!

 

[Kings Faithful]

I might package one of our bench players with Salmons to acquire Allen or Paul Pierce.... mainly just to get rid of Salmons. I want nothing to do with KG.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Way too old to consider either of the 3.

We need the type of leaders that would have at least 3-4 years of good basketball left in them. The Boston big 3 are on their last legs!

Ray Allen is still in great shape. He's got a few years left if he wants to play.

 

[Bricklayer]

Boston rumored to be on the verge of breaking up their big 3 in a bid to ensure they stay competitive over the long run looking into the future.

Word is they will either let Allen and KG walk at the end of their contracts this season or trade them as the deadline approaches.

Pierce is drawing interest from around the league with many inquiring as to his availability being Bostons greatest asset bar Rondo.

Do we swing a trade for any ? should we overpay for the ageless Allen to help our outside shooting or perhaps the ageing KG to play next to DMC if we can or do we go all out and try bring in Pierce by giving up a young building block.

The one intangible any of these 3 would bring is that they know what it takes to win and are great leaders. Its not likely were in the running for any but id like to hear the boards opinion.

You know, I almost started a thread on this called "Rent an Old Guy?"

My "Rent an Old Guy" proposal was Hickson+? for KG, with the understanding we would probably lose either at the end of the year to free agency. I have no idea whether that sort of thing would be worth it to Boston, but clearly its all that it would be worth to us -- KG is owed a ridiculous amount of money this year. Maybe if we could get them to take Salmons as well we could stomach paying an old washed up star $10mil extra over what we were paying the guys we traded, but clearly we can't give up much talent. And my only thought on it being worth anything to us is if KG were to blow through town for half an season, teach our kids dedication to defense, give them old war stories etc., pride etc. And even that I could see going badly sideways if he was unhappy to be here at his age. He is an ******* and could create all kinds of problems. Cousins might kick his *** within a week if he came packing attitude.

As to giving up any of our core guys, obviously not. Boston's three are done. They are useful to a team as young as our own just to hire as glorified role models.

The only other thing I was thinking was if Boston really liked Jimmer would they do Jimmer for Allen? But again, such a short term thing for us. Jimmer has been so bad now is when you can a mistake if he's got any real potential. A mistake for 3-4 years of somebody is one thing. But a mistake for a veteran free agent is quite another. Then you are trading whatever Jimmer might be for possibly 3 months of play from a guy who is no longer a star.

 

[William Blake]

Making Pierce come to Sacramento to play D and shoot spot up threes would really appeal my sick sense of humor.

 

[KingsCitizen]

I'm down with KG for Hickson+Salmons.
KG would be a good vet next to Cousins.

 

[Kings4life23]

I would much rather have Paul Pierce than KG or Allen. He is the youngest of the three and fills a lot of problems we have. I dont know what it would take to get him maybe Jimmer+Salmons+Garcia and a pick. That trade would possible turn this ship around quickly.

PG-Tyreke Evans
SG-Marcus Thorton
SF-Paul Pierce
PF-Jason Thompson
C-Demarcus Cousins

 

[Posta Boy X]

Ray Allen is still in great shape. He's got a few years left if he wants to play.

Agreed 100%. We would be blessed to have someone like Allen join the Kings. He would be a bright light among kids dumber than rocks.

I'd love his leadership and shooting here at Sactown.

 

[Hadlowe]

Agreed 100%. We would be blessed to have someone like Allen join the Kings. He would be a bright light among kids dumber than rocks.

I'd love his leadership and shooting here at Sactown.

So the solution for a team with too many Shooting Guards and not enough team play is . . . another shooting guard. Pierce is a franchise player for Boston and it would pee off the fans to let him go anywhere before he retires. KG or Rondo might be okay. The Celtics biggest hole is in the middle, so they would want Cousins.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

i'd do salmons and garcia or salmons and hickson for allen or kg. pierce is gonna command more bc he can still play effectively. this would purely be a cap move.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I would much rather have Paul Pierce than KG or Allen. He is the youngest of the three and fills a lot of problems we have. I dont know what it would take to get him maybe Jimmer+Salmons+Garcia and a pick. That trade would possible turn this ship around quickly.

Well, we can't really send a pick due to the unfulfilled Hickson trade.

Pierce may be one of the few possibly palatable ways to get out from under Salmons' contract. Pierce is owed a ton of money, though. $15.3M this year, $16.8M next year, and then $5M on top of that just to dump the contract the next year (or $15.3M if somehow he's worth that in his age-36 season). That's at least $37M over two years, while Salmons is about $25M over three.

If Boston were to trade Salmons for Pierce straight-up (which would work under the cap for us - don't know why they'd want Garcia as well if they're blowing it up) they'd save $12M in salary and another $7M or so this year in luxury tax. They would also get a ton of money to spend in next year's free agent market, though they have that already. It would just be a bigger ton.

I think the scary thing for us (or not, depending on how you view it) is that it would essentially end free agent acquisitions for us for the foreseeable future. Next year we'd be a hint over the cap with JT, JJ, Donte as restricted guys; the year after that (when we presumably buy out Pierce) we aren't going to slide under the cap because we'll either have extended Tyreke or make him a QO. Then it's Cousins getting paid. And we're looking at a core of Tyreke and Cousins and a bunch of role players. On top of that, we probably don't manage a star in this draft because Pierce moves us to the very edge of the lottery.

I guess my big worry is that the "Pierce window" -- if it even exists (he's dropping off this year, so caveat emptor) -- is really narrow and consists of a year and a half when our core players are still coming into their own and we come into it without an established coach or system. Pierce does not get us a championship. He may get us into the playoffs, but he's too old and gone just in time for him to become useful with our young guys. And then he leaves us in a difficult position to supplement our core. Especially if we also send off Jimmer to get it done and he finally remembers how to shoot.

I don't think I'd scream bloody murder if it happened, but I'd be really wary of doing it.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I would much rather have Paul Pierce than KG or Allen. He is the youngest of the three and fills a lot of problems we have. I dont know what it would take to get him maybe Jimmer+Salmons+Garcia and a pick. That trade would possible turn this ship around quickly.

PG-Tyreke Evans
SG-Marcus Thorton
SF-Paul Pierce
PF-Jason Thompson
C-Demarcus Cousins

i'd say minus the pick. we'd be waving the white flag with jimmer within a few weeks of the season lulz. we could have kawhi leonard filling that 3 spot rt now.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Well, we can't really send a pick due to the unfulfilled Hickson trade.

Pierce may be one of the few possibly palatable ways to get out from under Salmons' contract. Pierce is owed a ton of money, though. $15.3M this year, $16.8M next year, and then $5M on top of that just to dump the contract the next year (or $15.3M if somehow he's worth that in his age-36 season). That's at least $37M over two years, while Salmons is about $25M over three.

If Boston were to trade Salmons for Pierce straight-up (which would work under the cap for us - don't know why they'd want Garcia as well if they're blowing it up) they'd save $12M in salary and another $7M or so this year in luxury tax. They would also get a ton of money to spend in next year's free agent market, though they have that already. It would just be a bigger ton.

I think the scary thing for us (or not, depending on how you view it) is that it would essentially end free agent acquisitions for us for the foreseeable future. Next year we'd be a hint over the cap with JT, JJ, Donte as restricted guys; the year after that (when we presumably buy out Pierce) we aren't going to slide under the cap because we'll either have extended Tyreke or make him a QO. Then it's Cousins getting paid. And we're looking at a core of Tyreke and Cousins and a bunch of role players. On top of that, we probably don't manage a star in this draft because Pierce moves us to the very edge of the lottery.

I guess my big worry is that the "Pierce window" -- if it even exists (he's dropping off this year, so caveat emptor) -- is really narrow and consists of a year and a half when our core players are still coming into their own and we come into it without an established coach or system. Pierce does not get us a championship. He may get us into the playoffs, but he's too old and gone just in time for him to become useful with our young guys. And then he leaves us in a difficult position to supplement our core. Especially if we also send off Jimmer to get it done and he finally remembers how to shoot.

I don't think I'd scream bloody murder if it happened, but I'd be really wary of doing it.

i'm not very high on any moves for bostons big 3. we should be stocking up on what should be the last high lotto pick in a long time for this franchise. the draft is deep and we have a chance to get a solid james harden level player in the draft.

 

[Section 101]

i'm not very high on any moves for bostons big 3. we should be stocking up on what should be the last high lotto pick in a long time for this franchise. the draft is deep and we have a chance to get a solid james harden level player in the draft.

Salmons for Pierce works straight up. If you have to include Hickson and a #1 it might be worth it for 2 years.

 

[LWP777]

Salmons for Pierce works straight up. If you have to include Hickson and a #1 it might be worth it for 2 years.

I'm not sure why Boston would do this.

 

[Section 101]

I'm not sure why Boston would do this.

Free's up cap space about $7-8 mil. They would have KG and Allen off the books too. They could go after Howard and D Will in the off season.

They would have 4 players under contract next year. Rondo at $11 mil plus rookie contracts at about $3.5 mil and Bass has a team option for $4 mil.

Lots of room to remake the team.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I'm not sure why Boston would do this.

Boston would do it to save ~$19M and have an opportunity to hit really heavy in the FA market next year. If they're going to blow it up, cap relief may be more enticing than what they can get from a contending team. A contending team will most likely be over the cap and have to salary match, likely with a bad contract or two. So unless that contending team that wants Pierce can offer up a goodie or two (those high-20s draft picks probably don't count for much). For instance, if Dallas wanted to get Pierce, they'd probably have to throw in ~$36M worth of Marion and Odom, and I guess for sweetener they could throw in Beaubois. But Boston saves no money in the long term on the contracts, saves no luxury tax this year, and for that they get Beaubois? $19M in savings and Salmons, or a slight salary bump to get Beaubois, Marion, and a year of Odom? Option 1 is looking pretty nice to me.

I'm more worried about why we do it, for reasons articulated above.

 

[Posta Boy X]

So the solution for a team with too many Shooting Guards and not enough team play is . . . another shooting guard. Pierce is a franchise player for Boston and it would pee off the fans to let him go anywhere before he retires. KG or Rondo might be okay. The Celtics biggest hole is in the middle, so they would want Cousins.

I thought about that also, you're right. Evans/Thornton/Allen/Cousins/Thompson looks very good on paper, but I agree.. Not enough balls to go around

 

[Kingster]

Pierce is one of my all-time favorite players. Tough as a junk yard dog and is a tremendous competitor. If we could get him for the right price, I think it would be good to have him. Then you'd have Pierce, Garcia and Hayes as veteran glue on this team.

 

[Posta Boy X]

Pierce is one of my all-time favorite players. Tough as a junk yard dog and is a tremendous competitor. If we could get him for the right price, I think it would be good to have him. Then you'd have Pierce, Garcia and Hayes as veteran glue on this team.

Do you believe it's realistic that Pierce would play for the Kings? He never stroke me as the kind of guy who would be too happy to play in a medium sized city for a below mediocre ball club like the Kings. Obviously he would significantly improve the team all by himself and make us more competitive, but I dunno..

Discuss

 

[Kingster]

Do you believe it's realistic that Pierce would play for the Kings? He never stroke me as the kind of guy who would be too happy to play in a medium sized city for a below mediocre ball club like the Kings. Obviously he would significantly improve the team all by himself and make us more competitive, but I dunno..

Discuss

Frankly, I think it would be very tough mentally for Pierce to go to the Kings. And it doesn't have to do with small or big market. He probably would like playing for San Antonio, for example. He would be going from a franchise that has a winning culture to one that doesn't. Really, he'd be going back to a team that might remind him of Boston before the Garnett/Allen trades, which wasn't a great experience for him. Then again, the guy is such a competitor that he might be willing to deal with the Kings in their current state and take it as a challenge. He and Hayes would be formidable lockeroom presences. And there is some talent on this team that he has to see. So, maybe, maybe, maybe. What would be the clincher would be if the Kings could bring in a veteran pg as well as Paul. Then I think he would be more excited about it.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Im against giving up jimmer in a trade for some really old players. Boston gave up joe johnson and another young player to tge suns for tony delk and another player. Within a few years delk and the other sun was gone from boston.

 

[Posta Boy X]

Frankly, I think it would be very tough mentally for Pierce to go to the Kings. And it doesn't have to do with small or big market. He probably would like playing for San Antonio, for example. He would be going from a franchise that has a winning culture to one that doesn't. Really, he'd be going back to a team that might remind him of Boston before the Garnett/Allen trades, which wasn't a great experience for him. Then again, the guy is such a competitor that he might be willing to deal with the Kings in their current state and take it as a challenge. He and Hayes would be formidable lockeroom presences. And there is some talent on this team that he has to see. So, maybe, maybe, maybe. What would be the clincher would be if the Kings could bring in a veteran pg as well as Paul. Then I think he would be more excited about it.

Yeah I feel ya. If the Kings somehow end up getting Pierce, it would be the most significant move our Front Office has made in a long time.

Pierce would immediately make this team better. I can see someone like him giving this Kings team a HUGE confidence boost just with his presence and he would be someone our young guys would look up to. He would definitely help create order on the court.

Well I can dream.. I hope the Maloofs sell one of their houses so they can afford to sign someone significant like Pierce. But judging by the moves the FO has been making lately, I'm afraid this is nothing but a pipe dream

 

[bajaden]

You know, I almost started a thread on this called "Rent an Old Guy?"

My "Rent an Old Guy" proposal was Hickson+? for KG, with the understanding we would probably lose either at the end of the year to free agency. I have no idea whether that sort of thing would be worth it to Boston, but clearly its all that it would be worth to us -- KG is owed a ridiculous amount of money this year. Maybe if we could get them to take Salmons as well we could stomach paying an old washed up star $10mil extra over what we were paying the guys we traded, but clearly we can't give up much talent. And my only thought on it being worth anything to us is if KG were to blow through town for half an season, teach our kids dedication to defense, give them old war stories etc., pride etc. And even that I could see going badly sideways if he was unhappy to be here at his age. He is an ******* and could create all kinds of problems. Cousins might kick his *** within a week if he came packing attitude.

As to giving up any of our core guys, obviously not. Boston's three are done. They are useful to a team as young as our own just to hire as glorified role models.

The only other thing I was thinking was if Boston really liked Jimmer would they do Jimmer for Allen? But again, such a short term thing for us. Jimmer has been so bad now is when you can a mistake if he's got any real potential. A mistake for 3-4 years of somebody is one thing. But a mistake for a veteran free agent is quite another. Then you are trading whatever Jimmer might be for possibly 3 months of play from a guy who is no longer a star.

You sort of read my mind. I was thinking how could we get KG for a rental, and still make it beneficial to us. I wouldn't give up Jimmer just yet. He's played very few games, and I know the dude can shoot. I think its more of a head game right now than anything else. I remember when Steve Sax made it to the big leagues and he went through that period where he couldn't, for the life of him, make an easy throw to first base from second base. I think thats where Jimmer is right now. So I'd like to see what he can become before giving up on him 15 games into his rookie season.

But I'd love to aquire KG. He was and still is a good defender. He certainly brings attitude and veteran leadership. Who knows, he might like it here. Whats not to like?

 

[Posta Boy X]

You sort of read my mind. I was thinking how could we get KG for a rental, and still make it beneficial to us. I wouldn't give up Jimmer just yet. He's played very few games, and I know the dude can shoot. I think its more of a head game right now than anything else. I remember when Steve Sax made it to the big leagues and he went through that period where he couldn't, for the life of him, make an easy throw to first base from second base. I think thats where Jimmer is right now. So I'd like to see what he can become before giving up on him 15 games into his rookie season.

But I'd love to aquire KG. He was and still is a good defender. He certainly brings attitude and veteran leadership. Who knows, he might like it here. Whats not to like?

Do you think there's a chance KG wouldn't mind joining the Kings? Players of his type and age normally aim to sign with contenders to try to snatch whatever rings they can get while they can. I wonder if guys like Allen, Garnett or Pierce would even consider signing with a young club like the Kings, no matter how talented they seem to be.

Hell, I'd be extremely excited with either one of Bostons 3. Don't care which one whatsoever, we need a veteran of this kind on the team. I love Chuck Hayes and what he brings, but having KG as the Vet would be immeasurably greater for the Kings. Ya!

 

[sidney]

I wouldn't give any value for any one of those guys. Wrong mentality and over-inflated egos. It would be a disaster and any hope that they would invest in the Kings in any meaningful way is wishful thinking.

 

[Section 101]

You sort of read my mind. I was thinking how could we get KG for a rental, and still make it beneficial to us. I wouldn't give up Jimmer just yet. He's played very few games, and I know the dude can shoot. I think its more of a head game right now than anything else. I remember when Steve Sax made it to the big leagues and he went through that period where he couldn't, for the life of him, make an easy throw to first base from second base. I think thats where Jimmer is right now. So I'd like to see what he can become before giving up on him 15 games into his rookie season.

But I'd love to aquire KG. He was and still is a good defender. He certainly brings attitude and veteran leadership. Who knows, he might like it here. Whats not to like?

Ya know Artest had baggage when we got him. But to me KG is the last person I would want on my team. I would seriously think about giving up my tickets if we got him. I lost all respect of him due to his actions over the past several years. This is not the guy you want next to Cousins. I would help pay Cousins fine if he knocked KG's *** out.

 

[Bricklayer]

Pierce is one of my all-time favorite players. Tough as a junk yard dog and is a tremendous competitor. If we could get him for the right price, I think it would be good to have him. Then you'd have Pierce, Garcia and Hayes as veteran glue on this team.

If you folowed the lockout this summer you will know he is also a lockerrroom lawyer/scumwad, and I would be nervous as all hell to have him show up in town to whisper in our young guys' ears.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

If you folowed the lockout this summer you will know he is also a lockerrroom lawyer/scumwad, and I would be nervous as all hell to have him show up in town to whisper in our young guys' ears.

So, to sum up:

KG - Big time jerk, expensive, wouldn't want to play here, probably done
Pierce - At least small time jerk, more expensive, might not want to play here, might be done
Allen - Not a terribly good fit, expiring contract less useful for rebuilding team

Not much to see here, seemingly.