Kevin Martin Sweepstakes

[NorCal Reed]

And let the circus begin. Martin could be back Friday and the vultures are already circling. I'd really like to see how Martin and Evans play together. It is very possible they can't co-exist but I don't think it is out of the question that they could one of the top guard duos in the league. Now with that said if a market REALLY heats up for him and we can get a deal for our coveted Big or a deal we can't refuse then more power to Petrie for trading.

http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/2457910.html

Executives around the league will be watching closely, with many teams hoping to land Martin by the February trade deadline should the Kings make him available.
League sources indicate Houston, Toronto, Cleveland, Phoenix and Dallas are among those keeping watch.
The Kings, who are believed to be looking for a significant frontcourt addition, have given no indication they intend to move Martin.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Well it is interesting that Toronto is on that list because I think they have someone we would like...

 

[DocHolliday]

Well it is interesting that Toronto is on that list because I think they have someone we would like...

We'd like him if he wasn't going to be a free agent and the end of the season. There's no way the Kings consider for 1 second trading a piece with value like Martin if there is ANY risk that player walks at the end of the season.

 

[Emma]

I don't think GP will trade Martin for Bosh, unless Bosh is extended.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I disagree. Its a much better deal if we do it before he is resigned, requires less salary moving both ways and with no guarantee it will cost less talent wise. If Bosh wants to leave we still have the ability to pay more than anyone else so we can do a sign and trade and force Noc as part of the deal.

 

[beb0p]

I disagree. Its a much better deal if we do it before he is resigned, requires less salary moving both ways and with no guarantee it will cost less talent wise. If Bosh wants to leave we still have the ability to pay more than anyone else so we can do a sign and trade and force Noc as part of the deal.

Toronto is not going to trade Bosh. The reason Raptors get Martin is to pair him up with Bosh. If Toronto doesn't have Bosh then they also have no reason to have Martin.

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[pdxKingsFan]

Its not so much them wanting to trade Bosh as him forcing their hand. They have to get something in return, good luck getting full value. Martin may be as close as it gets.

 

[sidney]

I disagree. Its a much better deal if we do it before he is resigned, requires less salary moving both ways and with no guarantee it will cost less talent wise. If Bosh wants to leave we still have the ability to pay more than anyone else so we can do a sign and trade and force Noc as part of the deal.

if Bosh forces a sign and trade this summer with the threat of walking completely, I don't see why it would cost more talent wise to get him then. Toronto will have less leverage to demand assets, not more.

 

[NoBonus]

I don't see the Kings giving up on a Kevin/Tyreke combo by the Feb trade deadline... there is way too much potential to win games there.

 

[cfechter]

I just honestly can't see this happening at this point. It's irritating to see those teams listed because none of them really have anything to offer the kings for Martin that would bring any value. It's one of those scenarios where they'll try to get him for 25 cents on the dollar. I'm really not interested in trading Martin unless we get value back.

 

[sdballer]

I just honestly can't see this happening at this point. It's irritating to see those teams listed because none of them really have anything to offer the kings for Martin that would bring any value. It's one of those scenarios where they'll try to get him for 25 cents on the dollar. I'm really not interested in trading Martin unless we get value back.

I would trade Martin and Noc to Phoenix for Richardson, Lopez and Clark. Works salary wise, gets us a 2 guard that may be a better fit next to Evans, a young defensive big and an intriguing prospect while eliminating Noc's salary and trimming 2 years off of Martin's.

 

[TTown Kings]

I would trade Martin and Noc to Phoenix for Richardson, Lopez and Clark. Works salary wise, gets us a 2 guard that may be a better fit next to Evans, a young defensive big and an intriguing prospect while eliminating Noc's salary and trimming 2 years off of Martin's.

I wouldn't. If we trade Martin we better get something substantial in return. Richardson is past his prime, Lopez and Clark, meh. We need to be thinking about Bosh and Jefferson. If we can't get a player like that we're better off keeping KMart. At least until we find out whether or not he and Reke can play together.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

if Bosh forces a sign and trade this summer with the threat of walking completely, I don't see why it would cost more talent wise to get him then. Toronto will have less leverage to demand assets, not more.

Two reasons. First, his contract will be larger so more pieces need to go to match the numbers. Second, a newly signed Bosh is more valuable than a Bosh who may only be a rental. Any team making a deadline deal can use that as leverage even if they are confident they can resign.

 

[Merdiesel]

Houston, Toronto, Cleveland, Phoenix and Dallas...

Theres a good chance I want nothing these teams are willing to offer.

This isn't a ****ing charity, I hope really Petrie realizes that.

 

[sdballer]

I wouldn't. If we trade Martin we better get something substantial in return. Richardson is past his prime, Lopez and Clark, meh. We need to be thinking about Bosh and Jefferson. If we can't get a player like that we're better off keeping KMart. At least until we find out whether or not he and Reke can play together.

I don't know. I think we may be overvaluing Kmart a little. He's a stud scorer but is generally known as one of the league's worst defenders, is injury prone, slightly one-dimensional and has a long term deal. Bosh is one of the most sought after players in the league. Jefferson is a little closer but you're hearing names like Granger thrown in there who I think is a much more valued commodity than Kmart.

 

[DocHolliday]

Toronto is not going to trade Bosh. The reason Raptors get Martin is to pair him up with Bosh. If Toronto doesn't have Bosh then they also have no reason to have Martin.

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And that's the big 2nd point there. If they give up Bosh for Martin they gain nothing really. They give up a big that's a scorer ,for a scoring guard???? What's the point. If you have a high level talent, you want to surround him with more talent. That's how championship teams are built.

 

[DocHolliday]

Two reasons. First, his contract will be larger so more pieces need to go to match the numbers. Second, a newly signed Bosh is more valuable than a Bosh who may only be a rental. Any team making a deadline deal can use that as leverage even if they are confident they can resign.

And you give up a 20-30 point scorer that is 26, to have a guy for 2 months??? If you think that's a good idea, I'm glad you're not the GM of any team let alone the Kings. That's absurd.

 

[Merdiesel]

And you give up a 20-30 point scorer that is 26, to have a guy for 2 months??? If you think that's a good idea, I'm glad you're not the GM of any team let alone the Kings. That's absurd.

I'm with you...
Martin is more valuable than a few extra wins this season.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

And you give up a 20-30 point scorer that is 26, to have a guy for 2 months??? If you think that's a good idea, I'm glad you're not the GM of any team let alone the Kings. That's absurd.

No, we'd turn around and give him a max contract and he'd sign it because we'd be set to be contenders for the next 10 years not to mention we could pay him more than anyone else.

 

[NoBonus]

Maybe a the Kings trade Martin in a sign in trade this offseason, but I cannot imagine anything before that.

 

[sidney]

Two reasons. First, his contract will be larger so more pieces need to go to match the numbers. Second, a newly signed Bosh is more valuable than a Bosh who may only be a rental. Any team making a deadline deal can use that as leverage even if they are confident they can resign.

making the contracts work won't be hard even with a max deal. Martin + Hawes or JT is 14M in salary next year so you are just about there.

 

[piksi]

I don't see the Kings giving up on a Kevin/Tyreke combo by the Feb trade deadline... there is way too much potential to win games there.

who cares about winning games this season. That will not be a deal maker/breaker.

If GP thinks that trading Kevin will make us better down the road - he will do it.

Kevin is inured most of the time anyways

 

[sidney]

And you give up a 20-30 point scorer that is 26, to have a guy for 2 months??? If you think that's a good idea, I'm glad you're not the GM of any team let alone the Kings. That's absurd.

I agree with you that it doesn't feel like a Petrie trade to do this, but it wouldn't be an absurd 2 month rental. Bosh is going to be highly motivated to get that extra 30M or so added to the contract by either signing with the team that has his bird rights or working a sign and trade. There is leverage and value there. To what degree we won't know.

 

[beb0p]

No, we'd turn around and give him a max contract and he'd sign it because we'd be set to be contenders for the next 10 years not to mention we could pay him more than anyone else.

In order for Toronto to give up Bosh, they must be 100% sure that Bosh is walking away in the summer. So if the Kings traded for Bosh:

Bosh signs with the Kings because the Kings are contenders and can pay him the most money.

But Bosh walks away from Toronto despite the fact that the Raptors are contenders and can pay him the most money.

Reminds me of the Mind Twist game.

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[sidney]

No, we'd turn around and give him a max contract and he'd sign it because we'd be set to be contenders for the next 10 years not to mention we could pay him more than anyone else.

you'd hope, but there would be a question there. Did we just give up Martin and Hawes for nothing if Bosh decides just to sign outright with someone with the cap space? That would be a nightmare for the franchise.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

you'd hope, but there would be a question there. Did we just give up Martin and Hawes for nothing if Bosh decides just to sign outright with someone with the cap space? That would be a nightmare for the franchise.

Yes, there is risk. There's also risk to sitting on our hands and waiting around for an open market. There's risk that if Kevin and Reke don't work out well together Martin's value plummets too. At least if we got him here first with 3 months to make an impression we would have the upper hand by being able to pay him the most and worst case we could work out a sign and trade.

 

[sidney]

Yes, there is risk. There's also risk to sitting on our hands and waiting around for an open market. There's risk that if Kevin and Reke don't work out well together Martin's value plummets too. At least if we got him here first with 3 months to make an impression we would have the upper hand by being able to pay him the most and worst case we could work out a sign and trade.

You don't have to convince me - I think I probably still take the risk if it is there. I just doubt Petrie does. However, I don't think hope is lost if we try in the summer. If he wants to leave, it will be a sign and trade this Summer IMO. And we are well positioned for that.

 

[Lafayette]

That'd be a great deal, Martin for Bosh, I'd love to see it happen but then again I'd love to see Martin and Reke play together.

 

[BMiller52]

In order for Toronto to give up Bosh, they must be 100% sure that Bosh is walking away in the summer. So if the Kings traded for Bosh:

Bosh signs with the Kings because the Kings are contenders and can pay him the most money.

But Bosh walks away from Toronto despite the fact that the Raptors are contenders and can pay him the most money.

Reminds me of the Mind Twist game.

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The Raptors are contenders???? They barely have a better record than we do, and think of what Bosh could do on a team with a dominant PG like Evans. He would be sick. Plus Bargnani is a soft player and more of a PF, he and Bosh don't fit together that well. If they could actually get a scoring SG for a cheap salary for the next few years it'd make sense. They don't have a good SG. Make their line up more balanced.

 

[apollo916]

Off topic but this a teeter-tottor rebuilding process. At first we suck, we get JT and Hawes now its our guards that suck, we get tyreke, Omri and greene, now our post players lack. Hopefully once we get this all-star center we are good to roll, no more back and forth rebuilding.