Kevin Martin is Overrated.

[Troy]

Yeah with the amount of crap we had to deal with this year, we really don't need people calling KMart overrated. He is definately a rising star and a lock for MIP and let's just leave it at that please. We have enough players to move and rebuilding to do, also the Arena thing, crappy coach, owners who are cheap and wouldn't give GP the green light to bring in the players we need to be competitive etc etc....I'm really hoping for steps in the right direction this year as we really look to have lost our way. I don't know how many time I heard Mr. Walton talk what a lack of chemisty we had in the Denver game. We need to clean house and it's not just Ron. If it it then fine move him, but KMart has been a nice surprise so why cannot we just enjoy that....we have had to deal with not winning Title with Horry putting a nail in our coffin, then Webber blows out his knee in Dallas, then we keep bleeding away talent...so please we need something to look forward to and I'm not alone in thinking KMart has a bright future and hopefully he will stay here in Sacto on the Kings....if the Kings do stay in Sacto that is.

 

[venom_7]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3843/gamelog

Look at his game log. You will see he has been pretty consistent ecxept for a rough last half of march. His bad games besides the rough stretch were:

2 pts nothin else vs Clips on November 28th
13 pts 2 boards @ Mavs on Dec 1st
13 @ Pheonix and Miami on consecutive games, Dec 5th and 7th

12 jan 2nd vs Knicks
5 jan 22nd vs NJ
10 jan 24th vs Bucks


2 feb 23rd @ NJ (followed with that monster POW award)


so other than the 5 games at the end of march, he hasn't been all that bad. scored 20+ 42 times and 15+ 55 times. Didn't score in double figures 6 out of 73 games. Shot the ball well for the most part, so he has been consistent over the first few months and he slumps in bunches as shown above.

 

[Troy]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3843/gamelog

Look at his game log. You will see he has been pretty consistent ecxept for a rough last half of march. His bad games besides the rough stretch were:

2 pts nothin else vs Clips on November 28th
13 pts 2 boards @ Mavs on Dec 1st
13 @ Pheonix and Miami on consecutive games, Dec 5th and 7th

12 jan 2nd vs Knicks
5 jan 22nd vs NJ
10 jan 24th vs Bucks


2 feb 23rd @ NJ (followed with that monster POW award)


so other than the 5 games at the end of march, he hasn't been all that bad. scored 20+ 42 times and 15+ 55 times. Didn't score in double figures 6 out of 73 games. Shot the ball well for the most part, so he has been consistent over the first few months and he slumps in bunches as shown above.

Cool website and stats...thanks.

.....And yes it is Bibby time Venom....time for him to go....and also Miller Time....heah it's TGIF o.k.!!!!

 

[Spike]

But, I find him to be a bit overrated by some Kings' fans. But, that's only my opinion.

That, by nature, is what a fan does though. You're going to overrate your own players in comparison with how non-fans would view your team. It is logical? Not always.

 

[kennadog]

Kevin was a 26th draft pick. He has far exceeded what anyone would have expected. I'm pretty darned happy with his success, so far. I don't think that makes him over-rated. I also think he will keep improving, because he has such a great work ethic.

Beyond that he seems like a person of great character. I, for one, am very happy he is a Sacramento King and hope the Kings give him an extension this summer.

 

[PoundForPound]

id be ok with kevin gone in the offseason as long as we get something good in return.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

id be ok with kevin gone in the offseason as long as we get something good in return.

What are you talking about, he is building himself as a King, Martin is a future player for his team, theres no way I would give him up right now, because we have played this game through thick and thin and Martin has been there the whole time thats what creates a team, thats what creates chemisty. You can't just build a team, you have to become a team..

 

[Bricklayer]

id be ok with kevin gone in the offseason as long as we get something good in return.

Ok sure. I would give him up for the RIGHT player too. If somebody wants to throw a superstar out there, a top 3 pick or some such. By why oh why the eagerness? He's a good starter at his position, he's young, he's cheap (for the moment), so unless you have something specific in mind, no idea what would make him a target for trade. You burn him if you have to for a major move, but in an offseason when there are good arguments why we should be TRYING to trade every other member of our top 6 guys, focusing on trading Kevin is just...odd.

 

[RKid]

What are you talking about, he is building himself as a King, Martin is a future player for his team, theres no way I would give him up right now, because we have played this game through thick and thin and Martin has been there the whole time thats what creates a team, thats what creates chemisty. You can't just build a team, you have to become a team..

I object to that

But like some of the posters have said, Martin is not a cornerstone. He is a very good player who does remind me of Peja, which is not a bad thing. If he were an average defender than I would consider him a corner stone, but seeing the kings all season long I believe that defensively speaking he is costing the kings because his presence creates matchup problems for sacramento.

I say trade him now and use him to get rid of Kenny, Miller and/or Bibby.

Just My two cents

 

[ParniValjak]

What are you talking about, he is building himself as a King, Martin is a future player for his team, theres no way I would give him up right now, because we have played this game through thick and thin and Martin has been there the whole time thats what creates a team, thats what creates chemisty. You can't just build a team, you have to become a team..

Huh?! So if Orlando said to you that they would trade Dwight Howard to you in exchange for Kevim Martin, you would say no?!

PLEASE!

 

[AriesMar27]

Huh?! So if Orlando said to you that they would trade Dwight Howard to you in exchange for Kevim Martin, you would say no?!

PLEASE!

thats just stupid... sorry but it is... thats like trading him for kobe....

why would a team trade their star player for our roleplayer?

martin is so far from overrated that its silly, martin is the teams leading scorer but the 3rd option as a starter... how is that overrated? he wouldnt be a starter on our old team.... any player that exceeds his expectations like martin has cant be "overrated"...

if he were taking 30 attempts to get 20 points then he would be overrated.

 

[Kingster]

I object to that

But like some of the posters have said, Martin is not a cornerstone. He is a very good player who does remind me of Peja, which is not a bad thing. If he were an average defender than I would consider him a corner stone, but seeing the kings all season long I believe that defensively speaking he is costing the kings because his presence creates matchup problems for sacramento.

I say trade him now and use him to get rid of Kenny, Miller and/or Bibby.

Just My two cents

I don't agree. I think he is the only cornerstone the Kings have right now. Not Bibby, not Artest, just Kevin. He is our Core. I think his defense can definitely improve, but we've had far worse, that's for sure. We can start with Bibby and Miller. Martin can guard some point guards in this league, which Bibby certainly has no claim to. I've seen Martin get faked out and still come back to block a shot. He's taken more charges this year than Kings player over the last several years. He has great potential to become a very good defensive player; he just needs to continue to work at it, get stronger, and more experienced.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Martin needs to be an auxilliary player, not the "core." He's a great shooter, and a I think he'd be exceptional as the Robin to someone else's Batman (the idea of a pre-injury Webber and Martin makes me shake my head in frustration, for example), but he's not a superstar. He's not a guy that a winning team can be built around.

 

[VF21]

I object to that

But like some of the posters have said, Martin is not a cornerstone. He is a very good player who does remind me of Peja, which is not a bad thing. If he were an average defender than I would consider him a corner stone, but seeing the kings all season long I believe that defensively speaking he is costing the kings because his presence creates matchup problems for sacramento.

I say trade him now and use him to get rid of Kenny, Miller and/or Bibby.

Just My two cents

You know, somehow this would be a tad more believable if it weren't coming from a Lakers fan.

 

[Burrito06]

look at the stats, bro, he's been off for a pretty long time

It's called stamina. Kevin is not used to all of the minutes he is logging this year. On a side note, I can't wait to see Mayweather get knocked out next month.

 

[midnightlove1998]

Kevin Martin is overrated .... seriously ........ you guys need someone who will take his place because from my point of view, he's not doing the job. I wouldn't really wanna help out the Kings, but I think an Aaron McKie, Sasha and Jordan Farmar would be three players who would replace him just fine.

Please make that move Mitch .......

He will win MIP and well deserved. Boy has been ballin'.

 

[Larry89]

Kevin Martin is overrated .... seriously ........ you guys need someone who will take his place because from my point of view, he's not doing the job. I wouldn't really wanna help out the Kings, but I think an Aaron McKie, Sasha and Jordan Farmar would be three players who would replace him just fine.

Please make that move Mitch .......

He will win MIP and well deserved. Boy has been ballin'.

Mckie, Sasha, Farmar for Martin?


What the hell?

 

[midnightlove1998]

Mckie, Sasha, Farmar for Martin?


What the hell?

Come on. That talent we'd be giving you? Petrie?? Call Mitch tonight.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Mckie, Sasha, Farmar for Martin?


What the hell?

midnightlove1998 = lakers fan

 

[Packt]

Yes, Martin is overrated... by some. He is Hamilton, with more scoring potential, but without the experience.

He's too nice, too much of a team player, and not ambitious enough. Sure he wants to win championships (with an s), but who doesn't. He needs to want to be the man, the give me the f-n ball man. He doesn’t have say it or tell you, but he should be thinking it. He isn't thinking that right now. He's good and is arguable our most valuable player, but still a "help you get wins" player than a "get you wins" guy.

Kevin Martin is overrated .... seriously ........ you guys need someone who will take his place because from my point of view, he's not doing the job. I wouldn't really wanna help out the Kings, but I think an Aaron McKie, Sasha and Jordan Farmar would be three players who would replace him just fine.

Please make that move Mitch .......

He will win MIP and well deserved. Boy has been ballin'.

Where will Sasha go to get his eybrow waxed? That will suck for him.

 

[VF21]

He's too nice, too much of a team player, and not ambitious enough. Sure he wants to win championships (with an s), but who doesn't. He needs to want to be the man, the give me the f-n ball man. He doesn’t have say it or tell you, but he should be thinking it. He isn't thinking that right now. He's good and is arguable our most valuable player, but still a "help you get wins" player than a "get you wins" guy.

Sorry, but that's just silly IMHO.

Kevin Martin is who he is. He's not going to undergo a drastic personality change, nor should he. You don't have to be a jerk to be a success in the NBA.

 

[Packt]

Sorry, but that's just silly IMHO.

Kevin Martin is who he is. He's not going to undergo a drastic personality change, nor should he. You don't have to be a jerk to be a success in the NBA.

He is who he is, and you're right, you don't have to be a jerk to be successful. Martin is already a success.

The question is do you build around him? I say no.

 

[VF21]

He is who he is, and you're right, you don't have to be a jerk to be successful. Martin is already a success.

The question is do you build around him? I say no.

That wasn't the question, though. The OP said:

I think K-Mart is very much overrated and isn't a lock for MIP.

First of all, he is VERY inconsistant. He'll go on a stretch where he'll be productive but then he'll have a slip-up game, ok, but no, one slip-up game means 15 in a row for Kevin. He just has problems with his confidence. second, how the heck can you score 20 pts on 1 fg? i think scoring that many pts at the foul line doesn't make you any better, maybe just better at flopping but that's it. and last, he doesn't play defense which we all know..

Reading that, it looks an awful lot like a blatant attempt to stir things up. What I like about this board so much is that people didn't take the bait.

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Do we build a team AROUND Kevin? No. Do we build a team that includes Kevin as an integral part? Hell, yes!

 

[PurpleHaze]

Kevin Martin is not overrated or underrated. As far as MIP I could care less, but if the award goes to say Utah PG Williams it's probably because they're going to the Western Conf playoffs as a 4th or 5th seed and the Kings are currently dribbling out the sorry string. What I like best about Kevin (and there's so much to like) is he gets to the free throw line a helluva lot plus is one of the best FT % shooters in the NBA. I heard he just set a Kings record for most FTs made in a season - maybe someone here can verify. Around the association he was not really on any ones radar until he broke out big time early/midway this season going from averaging barely 10 PPG last year to over 20 PPG this season. Of course the guy is still in the early part of his career and as such is a work in progress on certain levels but overall right now he's clearly recognized as a dangerous offensive threat, spot up, off the dribble and more. It's telling that opposing defenses shifted mid-season to counter his offensive fire-power. They started to have some small success against him but it seems he slumped a bit about the time the Kings were sliding out of the playoffs. The Kings have all kinds of serious problems but Kevin Martin is definitely not one of them and besides he's said to be a very hard worker, constantly about always proving any doubters dead wrong.

 

[Bricklayer]

What I like best about Kevin (and there's so much to like) is he gets to the free throw line a helluva lot plus is one of the best FT % shooters in the NBA. I heard he just set a Kings record for most FTs made in a season - maybe someone here can verify.

That...it was an important par to his scoring in college too, but that...that's mixed feeling stuff right there. He draws a certain number of natural fouls, would always be a high FT guy. But you know what? He's a flopper. We would absolutely hate him if he were on the other team. Some of that I think, or am guessing, is coached -- but its still ugly. Yes he set the record, but once you see what it takes to do that...mixed feeling at best.

 

[PurpleHaze]

That...it was an important par to his scoring in college too, but that...that's mixed feeling stuff right there. He draws a certain number of natural fouls, would always be a high FT guy. But you know what? He's a flopper. We would absolutely hate him if he were on the other team. Some of that I think, or am guessing, is coached -- but its still ugly. Yes he set the record, but once you see what it takes to do that...mixed feeling at best.

A flopper? I might use that to describe my second all time Kings fave player Vlade Divac. Theus is my #1 fave - yep, I go waaayyy back. I think Kevin Martin is more about consistently driving to initiate contact which is a dynamite skill to have - at least to pile up his points that way. He might be one of the top two or three in the league at getting contact this way to get to the line. Allen Iverson is probably #1 at slashing and getting fouled on a consistent basic throughout his career. Anyway, I see it as amazing skill off the dribble, maybe enhanced with coaching, but he's getting nicked, dinged, and occasionally slammed hard from what I see.

 

[Bricklayer]

A flopper? I might use that to describe my second all time Kings fave player Vlade Divac. Theus is my #1 fave - yep, I go waaayyy back. I think Kevin Martin is more about consistently driving to initiate contact which is a dynamite skill to have - at least to pile up his points that way. He might be one of the top two or three in the league at getting contact this way to get to the line. Allen Iverson is probably #1 at slashing and getting fouled on a consistent basic throughout his career. Anyway, I see it as amazing skill off the dribble, maybe enhanced with coaching, but he's getting nicked, dinged, and occasionally slammed hard from what I see.

And flopping like a fish. Seriously, I don't play the homer game. And it should be said.

Mike does it too. But this year its gotten really bad. The least little contact and they flail and catapult themselves across the court like somebody shot them with a shotgun. In fact its reached such epidemic proportions that I think both of them have likely knocked a few points off their shooting percentages by looking to flop rather than just finish plays.

Flopping isn't just about post work. In fact most of the bad floppers are perimeter guys. And its just a variety of cheating. Reggie Miller did it. Manu does it. Noticed Ricky Davis has developed a bad case of it recently. And oh yes, our backcourt is notorious at this point. Not in a good way. There is a reason we lead the league in FTs. Is what it is, but let's call a spade a spade here.

 

[VF21]

A flopper? I might use that to describe my second all time Kings fave player Vlade Divac. Theus is my #1 fave - yep, I go waaayyy back. I think Kevin Martin is more about consistently driving to initiate contact which is a dynamite skill to have - at least to pile up his points that way. He might be one of the top two or three in the league at getting contact this way to get to the line. Allen Iverson is probably #1 at slashing and getting fouled on a consistent basic throughout his career. Anyway, I see it as amazing skill off the dribble, maybe enhanced with coaching, but he's getting nicked, dinged, and occasionally slammed hard from what I see.

I agree completely, especially about Vlade.

 

[Kingzrool]

This thread is overrated.

 

[diggining]

I don't think this thread is rated highly by anyone. So how could it be overrated?