Kayte Christensen arrested for DUI (EDITED TITLE)

[PurpleHaze]

Hopefully Kayte is retained by Kings for her solid role on TV plus radio. No more DUI girl! Does likely court ordered community service, especially advising local teens and others to help avoid bad choices. Plus make sure when she's on camera that a huge beer company sign is not in the picture or next commercial up after her spot is for some brewski

 

[Rain man]

whoa.... a rare moment in which i find myself in complete and utter agreement with Kingster. it's like... i dunno what it is, but it's beautiful. i wanna capture this moment in time...



seriously, though, has anybody here at kf.com ever gotten a traffic ticket for driving at excessive speeds? *raises hand* did i deserve to be fired from my position of employment because of it? how about texting and driving? eating and driving? these are potentially dangerous distractions while operating a vehicle. you put people in harm's way. you could have killed somebody, conceivably. should there be punishment in your professional life as a result?

i want to be clear: i'm not defending the act of drinking and driving. it's a terrible and selfish thing to do. i lost one of my uncles to drunk driving before i was born. my parents gave me his name as my middle name in memorium. and i also understand that kayte christensen is a local public figure, so there's an expectation that her employment comes with greater responsibility to serve as a role model to the community. but, in a vacuum, i still don't find such a mistake to be grounds for dismissal from her job. if she failed to express contrition, or if she was clearly developing destructive behavioral patterns, then i'd reassess that statement. however, she seems to be a high character individual who will do as much as she can to learn from this mistake and rebuild trust with the kings organization and the community of sacramento...

** Shakes his head in confusion *** Kingster was responding to me, in a misplaced argument over whether she should be fired. Once again, I don't think she should be fired. I am glad you and Kingster agree on your straw man argument that has nothing to do with my post, which was all about the seriousness of drunk driving, and nothing about employment consequences.

 

[VF21]

NOTE: Thus far, we've been having a pretty good conversation. All we ask is that all concerned keep it about the topic at hand and not have it get sidetracked. It's understandably a sensitive issue for a lot of people but that shouldn't preclude us from being able to discuss it.

 

[Glenn]

It struck me and I hope others that it would be very uncomfortable to be the one talked about. It's too bad CD started it but I hope we can wrap this up quickly.

 

[Spike]

I have no idea where you got this from, but that is not correct.

Seems pretty consistent regardless of which website I go to. Not sure of the point you're trying to make. Mine was to have a frame of reference for the discussion.

 

[VF21]

It struck me and I hope others that it would be very uncomfortable to be the one talked about. It's too bad CD started it but I hope we can wrap this up quickly.

I have to disagree. I think CD did the right thing - and I applaud what he said. He was getting a LOT of questions and I think he handled it pretty well.

 

[macadocious]

I laid out earlier how BAC works. Weight and female or not is a minor minor factor. One glass of wine over three hours, should be a zero BAC. You process 1 hour on 1 hour off.

I have no idea what those websites are using for their determination of numbers, but they are not correct. The only thing I can assumes is they do not want to be responsible for someone so they are erring on the side of extreme caution.


I did this for a living for a decade, I have personally administered 100's of BAT 's and since I owned one (not one from sharper image or something, one that costs $3,000 and has to be recalibrated after every use), I have done it on myself and friends many times. I am telling you right now, any person who drinks a single glass of wine, will not be a .083 3 hours later.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I laid out earlier how BAC works. Weight and female or not is a minor minor factor. One glass of wine over three hours, should be a zero BAC. You process 1 hour on 1 hour off.

Both calculators used FIVE glasses of wine over three hours.

 

[macadocious]

My mistake, I read it as a Single 5 oz glass of wine.

OK, yes 5 glasses of wine is a lot. That is an entire bottle of wine.

 

[rainmaker]

Again, this is just an estimate. Did she only have one, but on an empty stomach? Was that one an entire box of Franzia? (Wrong on several levels).
I guess my point is that we really don't know how she arrived at that .08, even given the above estimate (so that we're all talking from the same point) so we probably shouldn't vilify her just yet. Yes, it was a poor decision, and while she could have harmed someone, she didn't, and we're all thankful for that.

I'm not concerned with "how" she got to .08. It's not like she's a first time drinker who's learning how her body tolerates alcohol and everyone who's drank a decent amount realizes drinking on an empty stomach increases the effects. That's no excuse.

When looking at international standards, you'll be hard-pressed to find a legal limit above .08. In many countries, such as Germany, France, the Netherlands, Spain, Denmark, the legal limit is .05. In a number of Western countries she'd actually be .03 over the legal limit. Most of the EU, outside England, it's .05 with a few other countries in that region being even lower.

We're actually more lenient on drunk driving than many nations yet here we are with people downplaying what would be a decent amount over the legal limit many other places. So while we're not other countries, fact remains many understand the risk even at lower levels. She still went over with a buffer zone many do not have.

 

[fansinceday1]

Ill bet those here asking for her head NEVER text and drive, which is WORSE, WORSE, than driving drunk. No contest.

http://distracteddriveraccidents.com/texting-driving-dangerous-drunk-driving/

Just read your post padrino. Totally agree.

You text and drive, YOUR FIRED.
You talk and drive, YOUR FIRED.
You eat and drive, YOUR FIRED.

She should not lose her job, give me a break. How many more americans would be out of work if this was our standard? Thankfully this is not our standard.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm not concerned with "how" she got to .08. It's not like she's a first time drinker who's learning how her body tolerates alcohol and everyone who's drank a decent amount realizes drinking on an empty stomach increases the effects. That's no excuse.

When looking at international standards, you'll be hard-pressed to find a legal limit above .08. In many countries, such as Germany, France, the Netherlands, Spain, Denmark, the legal limit is .05. In a number of Western countries she'd actually be .03 over the legal limit. Most of the EU, outside England, it's .05 with a few other countries in that region being even lower.

We're actually more lenient on drunk driving than many nations yet here we are with people downplaying what would be a decent amount over the legal limit many other places.

We're downplaying, to the degree we are, because it was likely a first time offense by a person we otherwise trust.

Drunk driving is a sincerely stupid thing to do at any point. But its the sort of mistake that some fairly significant percentage of the population gets around to doing. At least a considerably larger number of people than are reprehensible people. I've known a few of the reprehensible ones. A few country yahoos who thought it was funny how often they drove home drunk. That it was their god given right to put their drinking and their convenience above somebody else's life. And if they finally had killed someone with it, hey screw them. I would cheerfully have testified against them as the thoughtless selfish bastards they were. I've also known a fair number of otherwise good people who liked to be social and screwed up one night. Maybe it was in college, maybe after the big promotion or their engagement party. Whatever. And they still could have killed somebody, things still could have gone very wrong. But for them it was a mistake. Something they don't do normally, something they legitimately regret later. That happens a lot, and the way you respond to that is not, and really should not be, the same as the way you respond to somebody who just doesn't care.

What the end result of this will be depends largely on whether Kayte is family or not, and even pictures like the one from the night of the incident suggest to me she is. If she's family, and this is a one time mistake which CD at least would argue that it is, then you forgive her. You trust her general judgment and goodwill and you don't throw family to the wolves for a first time screwup. Plenty of room to be disappointed and say don't do that again before you reach the casting her off stage, and what most of that decision comes down to is whether you believe this is what she really is, or whether you believe this is an aberration that she legitimately regrets and will take pains to never repeat.

 

[whozit]

We're downplaying, to the degree we are, because it was likely a first time offense by a person we otherwise trust.

Drunk driving is a sincerely stupid thing to do at any point. But its the sort of mistake that some fairly significant percentage of the population gets around to doing. At least a considerably larger number of people than are reprehensible people. I've known a few of the reprehensible ones. A few country yahoos who thought it was funny how often they drove home drunk. That it was their god given right to put their drinking and their convenience above somebody else's life. And if they finally had killed someone with it, hey screw them. I would cheerfully have testified against them as the thoughtless selfish bastards they were. I've also known a fair number of otherwise good people who liked to be social and screwed up one night. Maybe it was in college, maybe after the big promotion or their engagement party. Whatever. And they still could have killed somebody, things still could have gone very wrong. But for them it was a mistake. Something they don't do normally, something they legitimately regret later. That happens a lot, and the way you respond to that is not, and really should not, be the same as the way you respond to somebody who just doesn't care.

What the end result of this will be depends largely on whether Kayte is family or not, and even pictures like the one from the night of the incident suggest to me she is. If she's family, and this is a one time mistake which CD at least would argue that it is, then you forgive her. You trust her general judgment and goodwill and you don't throw family to the wolves for a first time screwup. Plenty of room to be disappointed and say don't do that again before you reach the casting her off stage, and what most of that decision comes down to is whether you believe this is what she really is, or whether you believe this is an aberration that she legitimately regrets and will take pains to never repeat.

To this point, this is probably the best post on this subject.

 

[bajaden]

Usually the only jail time you spend, is the time you spend right after your arrest. In other words, they deem you unfit to drive, so they lock you up for the night, and release you the next morning sometime. You usually have to post bail or pay a fine. That's to the best of my knowledge. I personally have never had a DUI, but my daughter did. One block from her house, she decided to stop for some Krispy Kreme doughnuts. Cops followed her into the parking lot and tested her. Believe it or not, I didn't disown her, or beat her with a whip. Truth is, most people learn their lesson after going through the embarrassment, and spending time in a cell with a bunch of other drunk people. It's a true reality check.

I certainly hope that Kayte isn't fired. Yep, she made a mistake, a mistake that in my opinion isn't any worse than Tyreke Evans driving a hundred and twenty miles and hour sober down the freeway. Truth is, if this was a player we were talking about, I doubt many would be calling for him to be fired, nor would the organization consider it, depending on who the player is. I happen to have a high tolerance for alcohol, and my guess is, that there were probably times I wouldn't have passed the sniff test. Not bragging about it, just stating facts. I was young and stupid, and like all young and stupid people, I figured it would never happen to me. Fortunately, I wised up before it did. But I'm not going to cast the first stone.

 

[Chubbs]

There's no reason to fire her. I think that's going way overboard and ignoring that many many current and former players (and coaches and announcers) have duis. Here's a few over the last year : Mareese speights, Vitor Faverani, PJ Tucker, Ronnie Brewer, Jason Kidd, Jonas Valunciunas, and Greg Monroe. And that's just the first page when you google nba dui.

And broadcaster Tom Chambers. I can't find any record of the Suns punishing him. He said he was sorry.

Charles Barkley also has one in his post nba career. Again, not fired.

Pj tucker, for a "super extreme dui" got 3 games.

Monroe got two games. And he wet himself while getting booked.

Jalen rose was sentenced to 93 days in jail (served 20) and seems to have a job with the nba. And within hours of his sentencing, picked up a speeding ticket (true story).

Andres Nocioni got one as a king (2 games). So did Eric musselman (no punishment whatsoever). Tyreke merely drove 100 mph weaving in and out of traffic on his joy ride caught on tape.

And then there is Zach Randolph and Al Jefferson, whose careers seem to be alright.

None of them have been let go to my knowledge (if they are still in the league). Neither will Katie.

I don't excuse the behavior and understand people are upset. But it'd be very surprising and unusual if she loses her job over this.

 

[PurpleHaze]

For me she's little taste of eye candy on Kings broadcasts and I love candy. And Kayte is also very basketball knowledgeable, often more keenly astute than two talking heads she teams up with on Kings TV. Please keep our "foxey lady" right where she is Mr. Vivek as she pays her debt to society and works to restore disappointment from Kings fans. I guess my avatar is related to this one...

 

[kennadog]

I'm late to the game. I like Kayte and don't think she should be fired over this. Thank goodness she didn't injure or kill herself or, worse, anyone else.

Beyond that, this is just stupid. Anybody who drinks and drives these days is doing it in willful defiance of years of evidence.

Kayte might be an example to others on apologizing and not doing it again, but who the heck needs ANOTHER friggin' example at this point?

Instructions are simple and are in short, easily understood words, "Don't drink and drive." One drink in an hour or so is likely okay for most people, but beyond that, its a crapshoot.

 

[ninjabiscuit]

Blah blah blah, is what Carmichael Dave said.

It's black and white like he said. She drove drunk, and she got caught. She does not deserve to be a public face for the Kings. Those roles should be reserved for people who are responsible. In 2013, 805 people died because of people like Kayte, and those people don't get a second chance. She's obviously going to get a second chance in life because she's still alive, it just shouldn't be someone representing the Kings. You all back her because you like her and that's fine, I'm not saying she's a horrible person and she does deserve moral support for her mistake. But the mistake she made is one that should cost her a job as a public figure for any organization.

I have zero tolerance for drunk drivers and I have NO pity for them. Kayte is no exception. On behalf of people who have lost friends to drunk drivers, I don't want to see her on TV during ANY Kings game.

Yeah, but you're the same person who originally said "Good, I don't like her." Pretty easy to get all judgmental when you never liked the person in the first place, right?

 

[Nikefutbolero]

Yeah, but you're the same person who originally said "Good, I don't like her." Pretty easy to get all judgmental when you never liked the person in the first place, right?

Yes it is. What's your point? It doesn't make what I said any less valid.

 

[VF21]

If you guys want to delve further into the whole drunk driving debate, please do it via PMs. Thanks.