JT now shooting (and making) 3's!

CruzDude

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#1
Jason Jones and Joe Santiago both reported that JT and DWill were shooting a ton of threes and JT making most of them. That has gotta help his Value along with Cuz saying he looks great this year. I like JT and ven more if he can learn to rotate on defense.
 

kingsboi

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#2
I guess we won't really know how effective it is until we see it in the games, making a bunch of threes is one thing when your shooting alone in an empty gym.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

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#5
One would hope but, unfortunately, it doesn't necessarily follow. Some of the more dangerous three-point shooters have been horrible midrange shooters.
 

The_Jamal

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#7
Cool beans. I'm super down for opening the paint up for Cuz and Rudy penetrating to the basket. That was a big reason I liked the Omri pick-up, who had a lot of experience and playing time doing exactly that for Houston
 
#8
Yes is don't want him shooting 3s at all unless it's the corner like Ibaka. He should shoot 15-20ft and people need to stop saying it increased his value. If he is hitting that shot regularly then you keep him, he either starts or if we can package Ben/DWill for a big then he can come off the bench.
 
#9
Same reports for Tyreke every year. Lets see him try one at full 5 on 5 speed. In the meantime #LetJTshoot

But really I dont get this, he wouldnt even be considered a solid midrange guy, he can hit it but defenses will live with giving up a JT midrange shot.
 
#10
Same reports for Tyreke every year. Lets see him try one at full 5 on 5 speed. In the meantime #LetJTshoot

But really I dont get this, he wouldnt even be considered a solid midrange guy, he can hit it but defenses will live with giving up a JT midrange shot.
Yeah but even JT is a much better shooter from 15-18 than Tyreke ever was. JT has always been able to shoot. He's just extending his range. Tyreke had problems at all distances outside the paint.

I, for one, am very curious to see if he can hit that shot with any regularity in a game. If he can be anywhere near 32-34 % with it... I say give him free reign within the offense. I think he's damn motivated to be the solid starting 4 or at least the third big. Maybe being 10-15 lbs lighter will help him block a few more shots too.

Oh and btw... GO GIANTS!!!!!!
 

hrdboild

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#11
Omri was talking about playing stretch four effectively for Houston last season, Rudy was asked how playing PF for team USA might translate to this season, DWill has talked about how Malone asked him to work on his shooting in the off-season, everybody is watching what happens in Cleveland with KLove at the PF spot alongside Lebron fresh off a season where he made 37% from 3pt range. Bigs who can space the floor are apparently what's en vogue this season. JT has been trying to find a niche for this team seemingly since the beginning. If this is what it takes for him to lock down that starting PF spot for us with steady production, I'll take it. We were one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the league last year. You can count on JT being left open a lot whenever he's camped out at the three point line. Not the way I would have drawn it up, but a win is a win. If he can knock that shot down consistently, it's going to help the team.
 
#13
Malone trying to turn JT into a stretch-4?
Maybe and I'm not convinced I hate it. Normally I'm not a fan of stretch 4's playing meaningful minutes but mostly because they tend to be soft weenies who can't do anything else. JT is a more than decent defender and rebounder whose offensive game has never seemed to fit that well with Cuz. Pulling him away from the basket could allow Cuz and Gay more room to operate in the lane while not sacrificing on the other end of the court. Kind of like a poor man's Horry/Shaq thing.
 
#16
Omri was talking about playing stretch four effectively for Houston last season, Rudy was asked how playing PF for team USA might translate to this season, DWill has talked about how Malone asked him to work on his shooting in the off-season, everybody is watching what happens in Cleveland with KLove at the PF spot alongside Lebron fresh off a season where he made 37% from 3pt range. Bigs who can space the floor are apparently what's en vogue this season. JT has been trying to find a niche for this team seemingly since the beginning. If this is what it takes for him to lock down that starting PF spot for us with steady production, I'll take it. We were one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the league last year. You can count on JT being left open a lot whenever he's camped out at the three point line. Not the way I would have drawn it up, but a win is a win. If he can knock that shot down consistently, it's going to help the team.
IF JT can actually be an effective 3pt shooter, that is going to put a LOT of strain on defenses as they double Cuz from the weakside. Dream scenario huge lineup: Cuz, JT, Moreland (if he's quick enough to guard the 3), Gay, Stauskas. With Stauskas playing point. We'll call it... Rain (threes) and THUNDER (Cuz dunking on people!)

Hey, it's preseason. I'm allowed to dream.
 
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#17
In his 6 seasons in the NBA, JT only reached league-average PER once (2011/12 season). I doubt shooting threes is going to help him do it again...
 
#18
In his 6 seasons in the NBA, JT only reached league-average PER once (2011/12 season). I doubt shooting threes is going to help him do it again...
PER is a star-favored stat as it is all about the guy that carries the bulk of the scoring load. It's a good stat to compare MVP candidates with, but a ridiculous stat to rate role players by.
 
#20
PER is a star-favored stat as it is all about the guy that carries the bulk of the scoring load. It's a good stat to compare MVP candidates with, but a ridiculous stat to rate role players by.
I think PER is a very good indicator of the contribution of a player on offense. Can you name a player who's above average on offense (role players included) but has a poor PER? Do you consider JT to be an above average player on offense?
 
#21
I think PER is a very good indicator of the contribution of a player on offense. Can you name a player who's above average on offense (role players included) but has a poor PER? Do you consider JT to be an above average player on offense?
I'd say JT is a fairly efficient offensive player, if there is a system that he can play in the gets him that open elbow out to mid range jumper, plus clean up points. And, if he's not having fits of brain farts which he sometimes goes through (more in the past).

I also think that stats in general are too player oriented in a game that is very team oriented. I'd consider him to be about average. But with our team it's really hard to say how well he might do within an established offensive system. Which, honestly, we haven't had since Adelman. You saw the beginnings of one last year, but we had the IT factor which has given us the new phrase "ball sticking".
 

CruzDude

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#22
If Malone gets the guys to buy into his "team" concept and help defense, JT extending his range opens a new avenue (pun intended) for Cuz, Rudy and the drivers to the rim. JT is above average in 1-on-1 defense but had not been so hot in team defense. and offensively, with 3 2o pointers in there playing too much 1-0n-1 last year, JT never got into the flow and also year or two before that. So much is new and different can't wait to see TV game on 8th.
 
#23
The thing with JT is that he has always been a good shooter.... in practice. Even back in his rookie year, he could nail step back 20-footer with ease. If you just watch him practice you may think he is Dirk. But once he steps on the court and get a hand in his face, the mechanic gets screwy and bricks start appearing. I think many players are like that - in warmups, Ben Wallace's range is out to just inside the 3-pt line.

Can JT bring his shooting to actual games? That's anyone's guess.
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jdbraver

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#24
JT is a decent offensive player with a decent midrange shot. He is not an above average defender. He slaps at the ball with his hands and doesn't move his feet. JT is a serviceable big but let's not go overboard

If Malone gets the guys to buy into his "team" concept and help defense, JT extending his range opens a new avenue (pun intended) for Cuz, Rudy and the drivers to the rim. JT is above average in 1-on-1 defense but had not been so hot in team defense. and offensively, with 3 2o pointers in there playing too much 1-0n-1 last year, JT never got into the flow and also year or two before that. So much is new and different can't wait to see TV game on 8th.
 
#25
I remember a specific game a year or two ago where JT was lighting up GS from the perimeter then poof it disappeared. JT is who he is nothing more nothing less.
 
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KingMilz

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#26
I remember a specific game a year or two ago where JT was lighting up GS from the perimeter then poof it disappeared. JT is who he is nothing more nothing less.
He hesitates way to much when he shoot's when he lets it fly he's actually effective.
 
#27
Good for JT. But you guys who think he's a good defender are nuts. We must be watching two different JTs. The one I'm watching can't stay in front of his man, commits dumb fouls, and makes far too many mental mistakes. The only thing he has going for him on the defensive side is his better-than-average rebounding. Overall, JT is an average defender. Nothing more.
 

Bricklayer

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#28
Good for JT. But you guys who think he's a good defender are nuts. We must be watching two different JTs. The one I'm watching can't stay in front of his man, commits dumb fouls, and makes far too many mental mistakes. The only thing he has going for him on the defensive side is his better-than-average rebounding. Overall, JT is an average defender. Nothing more.
Last year Jason was at times an extremely effective defender against some of the league's best. He caused Love problems, and was a primary reason Anthony Davis struggled against us. He had a big number (-3.4 per 100 possessions) on/off as well. Cuz was at -3.7. You can't always trust on/off stats, but they seemed to reflect what we were seeing in this case. Cuz wasn't the only guy to noticeably improve with real defensive coaching.
 
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KingMilz

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Good for JT. But you guys who think he's a good defender are nuts. We must be watching two different JTs. The one I'm watching can't stay in front of his man, commits dumb fouls, and makes far too many mental mistakes. The only thing he has going for him on the defensive side is his better-than-average rebounding. Overall, JT is an average defender. Nothing more.
Average on the Kings means near elite for us, well the last couple season's anyway, I'm sure like every other player on the planet JT would be a lot better defender if he actually had other people defending on the squad, at least JT does not take plays off on D. He's a solid defender like he doesn't get torched by guys who shouldn't torch him and at times does excellent against some of the elite.