Jonny Flynn #4

[Henkel]

http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/1876546.html

According to this article the Kings have some interest in Flynn.

I would love to see us pick up Flynn with the 4th pick. In a league where you can no longer hand check a guy i think its going to be hard to keep a player as quick and athletic as Flynn from getting where he wants on the floor. What i like most about Flynn is that he takes advantage of his ability to penetrate the ball and goes to the basket hard, which along with his athleticism allows him to finishes around the basket at a high rate despite his size. His mid range jump shot is solid and he has a quick release, although he will need to extend his range at the next level. At this point Flynn is at his best as a scorer and i believe this will translate to the next level from day one.

As a play maker Flynn is still a work in progress. I thought he showed a lot of improvement in this area over last months and a half of the season. He has good vision and is a creative passer he just needs to make better decisions with the ball at times. He stopped going for the home run plays as much late in the season, which is a step in the right direction. He also got more comfortable penetrating and kicking the ball outside towards the end of the season. Flynn has always been solid as a play maker while running the pick and roll and out on the break. I doubt he ever becomes a elite distributor but i think has the potential to become a well rounded point guard.

In my eyes he is the best of the college point guard crop. I would be interested to hear what other people think of picking him considering most draft sites see him as more of a late lotto pick.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I like Flynn alot and would happily take him... But not with the 4th pick overall! That's a reach by any standards. Trade down if Flynn is your guy, don't take him with the 4th pick. Or even better, try and trade up with 23 and 31. Get Thabeet/Harden/Evans/whoever and Flynn.

 

[Henkel]

I like Flynn alot and would happily take him... But not with the 4th pick overall! That's a reach by any standards. Trade down if Flynn is your guy, don't take him with the 4th pick. Or even better, try and trade up with 23 and 31. Get Thabeet/Harden/Evans/whoever and Flynn.

It would be a reach. I can't see him getting pick until the Knicks at #8. I think at this point he is going somewhere in the range of 8 to 14. I would love to trade down I just don't see a lot of teams trading up if they can't get into the top 3. Maybe a team in the latter half of the lotto falls in love with a player like Harder or Evans and we can find a way to trade down. I don't think #23 and #31 are going to allow us to move up to much. It certainly wont get us back into the lotto, which is where we would need to be to get Flynn. The pick would be a reach and is probably a long shot but if the top 3 picks plays out like everyone expects i believe Flynn is great fit at #4.

 

[ParniValjak]

I don't know that we can say he would be a reach. By all reports you have 2 players at the top in Griffin and Rubio. Then you have Thabeet followed by the rest of which a group of some 12 odd players are of similar ability. So really from 4-16 the beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

If Petrie likes Flynn the best he will pick him at 4. Its somewhat safe pick and he brings the sort of attributes that Petrie likes in his PG. Petrie won't trade down, he will get the guys he likes the most with the picks we have and he will go home.

Don't expect anything too fancy from GP. If he likes the player "reaching" doesn't come into his calculations. Apparently if Hawes was not at pick 10 a couple of years ago Brooks was his guy. Then last year he picked a kid that many thought would be a mid-late first round pick. "Reaching" is not in GP's vocabulary.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

No way. I know the players around the 4th pick are either too acute or obtuse in terms of team needs and skillsets for us to draft, but reaching for Flynn here makes no sense--he does have skills, but at the end of the day he's a 6'0" score-first guard with a streaky three point shot, which is why he's a teens pick. I know that's a similar template to Chris Paul, but it's no comparison--Flynn's creativity, intelligence, decision making, and most of all, efficiency, just aren't on the same level. I actually think his passing is a bit underrated--he forces the issue and gets turnovers, but it's clear he has court vision, so between that and his penchance for scoring I harken back to TJ Ford comparisons with Flynn. And waterbug scoring point guards are somewhat popular in the league now (especially after seeing what Aaron Brooks did with the Lakers), so I can understand why Flynn is liked. I remember showing some disdain for him earlier, but now I wouldn't mind if trading down for him in to nab him in the teens. He's a flashy style over substance guy, but I think his scoring/passing mix could fit right along with Kevin and our bigs

 

[ElRey]

I don't know that we can say he would be a reach. By all reports you have 2 players at the top in Griffin and Rubio. Then you have Thabeet followed by the rest of which a group of some 12 odd players are of similar ability. So really from 4-16 the beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

If Petrie likes Flynn the best he will pick him at 4. Its somewhat safe pick and he brings the sort of attributes that Petrie likes in his PG. Petrie won't trade down, he will get the guys he likes the most with the picks we have and he will go home.

Don't expect anything too fancy from GP. If he likes the player "reaching" doesn't come into his calculations. Apparently if Hawes was not at pick 10 a couple of years ago Brooks was his guy. Then last year he picked a kid that many thought would be a mid-late first round pick. "Reaching" is not in GP's vocabulary.

yeah I agree with you. Petrie will not trade down. He'll just pick the player he wants, even if he could be had at a lower pick. Very different from Portland's GM who wheels and deals during the draft every year.

 

[nbrans]

I'd still take Teague over Flynn. Bigger, more athletic, better shooter. Flynn might be a better passer, but not by much.

 

[Kingster]

He's a great competitor, and that has to do a lot with why he's moving up in the draft (reportedly). I wouldn't use #4 on him, but I sure wouldn't mind seeing a trade up with the #23 to get him.

 

[BMiller52]

I'd still take Teague over Flynn. Bigger, more athletic, better shooter. Flynn might be a better passer, but not by much.

Have you even watched Flynn? He is a really good passer, and Teague is more of a combo guard. He's much more of a PG. And Teague might have more hops but Jonny has more speed. He is the fastest PG in the draft bar none.

 

[JB_kings]

I don't see Flynn going at #4. Look at the heat Petrie took with taking JT last year a few picks early #12. He would work out a trade and move down a bit.

 

[nbrans]

Have you even watched Flynn? He is a really good passer, and Teague is more of a combo guard. He's much more of a PG. And Teague might have more hops but Jonny has more speed. He is the fastest PG in the draft bar none.

I watched both a lot. I think they're both about the same level of quickness, maybe Jonny is a little faster, but he's also quite a bit smaller than Teague so he should be quicker. My concern about Flynn is that he's going to struggle to score inside against NBA size and will be mostly a perimeter player, and is going to live and die offensively by his jumper, which is somewhat inconsistent. I also think Flynn might have a little too much Jason Williams in him for my taste -- he is prone to trying to force things and take bad shots.

Don't get me wrong, I like them both, and Flynn showed tremendous heart at the end of the season, and I agree with you (and said) he's the better passer. I just like Teague's potential more.

 

[bajaden]

I watched both a lot. I think they're both about the same level of quickness, maybe Jonny is a little faster, but he's also quite a bit smaller than Teague so he should be quicker. My concern about Flynn is that he's going to struggle to score inside against NBA size and will be mostly a perimeter player, and is going to live and die offensively by his jumper, which is somewhat inconsistent. I also think Flynn might have a little too much Jason Williams in him for my taste -- he is prone to trying to force things and take bad shots.

Don't get me wrong, I like them both, and Flynn showed tremendous heart at the end of the season, and I agree with you (and said) he's the better passer. I just like Teague's potential more.

One of the things that I loved about Flynn is his ability to drive and finish. Does Chris Paul have a problem driving and scoring. He's hardly a giant. I think Flynn was one of the best drive and pass or finish players in college last year. He's lightning quick. Teague is quick, but not as quick as Flynn. But the main point is that Flynn is a point guard, and I'm not sure Teague is.

I honestly don't see the Jason Williams comparison at all. Other than taking some ill advised shots, or off balance shots at times, there's nothing similar about them. Flynn is the consumate team player. I'm not sure Williams ever was. Flynn is a blue collar type. A tough competitor who's not afraid of contact. Williams was all about flash and flair, and a little too much about Williams.

Flynn would be a steal at 23, but would probably be a reach at 4.

 

[theclash4u5]

If we want to get a PG like Flynn, Evans, Teague, etc, we can simply trade down to 6-9 and pick one of them, and still get an extra pick/or a nice player out of it.

 

[nbrans]

One of the things that I loved about Flynn is his ability to drive and finish. Does Chris Paul have a problem driving and scoring. He's hardly a giant. I think Flynn was one of the best drive and pass or finish players in college last year. He's lightning quick. Teague is quick, but not as quick as Flynn. But the main point is that Flynn is a point guard, and I'm not sure Teague is.

I honestly don't see the Jason Williams comparison at all. Other than taking some ill advised shots, or off balance shots at times, there's nothing similar about them. Flynn is the consumate team player. I'm not sure Williams ever was. Flynn is a blue collar type. A tough competitor who's not afraid of contact. Williams was all about flash and flair, and a little too much about Williams.

Flynn would be a steal at 23, but would probably be a reach at 4.

I think all of that is fair. I do think that finishing inside is going to be a different ballgame in the NBA. Yeah, Chris Paul is able to do it, but he's Chris Paul, and Flynn looks (to me anyway) shorter and not quite as athletic. He is really quick, and I'm sure an NBA coach would rein in his habit of taking ill-advised shots.

Flynn just seems to me like a solid backup point guard more than he seems like a potential star. I know there are questions about Teague's PG ability, but I think he has enough, and especially because he's bigger, more athletic, better shooter, and has a more diverse array of moves, I think he has more star potential than Flynn. But I like them both.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I consider Flynn to be the 4th best PG in the draft (after Rubio, Jennings, and Curry) and I like him, but to me he's like a smaller version of Felton. He can be a solid starter, but if that's the best guy we end up with in what's supposed to be a huge draft for us, then I'd be quite upset.

 

[CaAllDay]

not with the 4, maybe the 31, i like mills but not with the 4 either prolly the 23. if we keep the 4 ill take jennings, evans, clark, holiday...

 

[bajaden]

I consider Flynn to be the 4th best PG in the draft (after Rubio, Jennings, and Curry) and I like him, but to me he's like a smaller version of Felton. He can be a solid starter, but if that's the best guy we end up with in what's supposed to be a huge draft for us, then I'd be quite upset.

I think its probably what kind of point guard your looking for. I would say that Rubio, Jennings, Flynn, and Lawson are more pass first pt's. I think Curry is more of a shoot first pt guard, which is alright as long as he fits the style of play your looking for.

As I said, I wouldn't pick him with the fourth pick, but if we were able to move up from 23 or trade down from 4 and maybe gain another pick, or a future pick then I would be alright with drafting him.

 

[Kingster]

One of the things that I loved about Flynn is his ability to drive and finish. Does Chris Paul have a problem driving and scoring. He's hardly a giant. I think Flynn was one of the best drive and pass or finish players in college last year. He's lightning quick. Teague is quick, but not as quick as Flynn. But the main point is that Flynn is a point guard, and I'm not sure Teague is.

I honestly don't see the Jason Williams comparison at all. Other than taking some ill advised shots, or off balance shots at times, there's nothing similar about them. Flynn is the consumate team player. I'm not sure Williams ever was. Flynn is a blue collar type. A tough competitor who's not afraid of contact. Williams was all about flash and flair, and a little too much about Williams.

Flynn would be a steal at 23, but would probably be a reach at 4.

I disagree about Fynn being quicker than Teague. I haven't seen any college basketball quicker than Teague this past year, including Flynn. And I think Teague has quickness that would rank him in the top 5 of point guards in the NBA, that's how quick I think he is.

 

[bajaden]

I disagree about Fynn being quicker than Teague. I haven't seen any college basketball quicker than Teague this past year, including Flynn. And I think Teague has quickness that would rank him in the top 5 of point guards in the NBA, that's how quick I think he is.

Then we will agree to disagree. It really doesn't matter much. They're both quick. By the way, I'll loan you my radar gun if you want...

 

[Kingster]

Then we will agree to disagree. It really doesn't matter much. They're both quick. By the way, I'll loan you my radar gun if you want...

First, you've got to give me a tape measure for Griffin's length...

 

[Smills91]

http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/1876546.html

According to this article the Kings have some interest in Flynn.

I would love to see us pick up Flynn with the 4th pick. In a league where you can no longer hand check a guy i think its going to be hard to keep a player as quick and athletic as Flynn from getting where he wants on the floor. What i like most about Flynn is that he takes advantage of his ability to penetrate the ball and goes to the basket hard, which along with his athleticism allows him to finishes around the basket at a high rate despite his size. His mid range jump shot is solid and he has a quick release, although he will need to extend his range at the next level. At this point Flynn is at his best as a scorer and i believe this will translate to the next level from day one.

As a play maker Flynn is still a work in progress. I thought he showed a lot of improvement in this area over last months and a half of the season. He has good vision and is a creative passer he just needs to make better decisions with the ball at times. He stopped going for the home run plays as much late in the season, which is a step in the right direction. He also got more comfortable penetrating and kicking the ball outside towards the end of the season. Flynn has always been solid as a play maker while running the pick and roll and out on the break. I doubt he ever becomes a elite distributor but i think has the potential to become a well rounded point guard.

In my eyes he is the best of the college point guard crop. I would be interested to hear what other people think of picking him considering most draft sites see him as more of a late lotto pick.

I agree with you, and I think if there's little to no changes on the draft board and 1-2-3 is Griffin-Rubio-Thabeet that Flynn may very well be our pick. Petrie's not afraid of reaching(i.e. Brooks/Thompson etc) so I think he could potentially be our pick. However, if we could snag Harden and trade his rights to the Raps for Flynn (#9) and dump a contract like Beno's that would be ideal.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I think its probably what kind of point guard your looking for. I would say that Rubio, Jennings, Flynn, and Lawson are more pass first pt's. I think Curry is more of a shoot first pt guard, which is alright as long as he fits the style of play your looking for.

As I said, I wouldn't pick him with the fourth pick, but if we were able to move up from 23 or trade down from 4 and maybe gain another pick, or a future pick then I would be alright with drafting him.

Sure, but I still see him as a PG and I think overall he'll be better than Flynn and Lawson. Flynn does have good upside though, but he lacks size and he really needs to improve his shot. I noticed that I forgot Holiday on my list. My PG order: Rubio, Jennings, Curry, Holiday/Flynn, and Lawson.

Yeah, I wouldn't pick any PG other than Rubio or Jennings at the 4th pick. I'd be open to Evans, but I'm still very hesitant about him.

 

[Henkel]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=PreDraftTour-090525

Chad Ford with a good article on Flynn. Ford confirms that several teams in the lottery are interested in Flynn, including the Kings.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Johnny Flynn. He has heart, but heart is kind of overrated. Everyone ( including myself ) loves that part of his game, he is clutch and all that, but he seems like a very limited player to me. Dont get me wrong, small guys can be successful, but I just cant convince myself he wouldnt be a big reach at 4 ... I know I've said that after those top 3 players ( thabeet, Rubio and Griffin ) are gone, you throw the word ' reach ' out the window and just draft the player you like, because trading down might not be an option in this draft, but I make the exception at Flynn... #4 is too early for a player who would have been drafted in the second round before the game vs UCONN.

I still rank my pgs as :

Rubio
Curry
Jennings
Teague / Holiday
Flynn

 

[Smills91]

Johnny Flynn. He has heart, but heart is kind of overrated. Everyone ( including myself ) loves that part of his game, he is clutch and all that, but he seems like a very limited player to me. Dont get me wrong, small guys can be successful, but I just cant convince myself he wouldnt be a big reach at 4 ... I know I've said that after those top 3 players ( thabeet, Rubio and Griffin ) are gone, you throw the word ' reach ' out the window and just draft the player you like, because trading down might not be an option in this draft, but I make the exception at Flynn... #4 is too early for a player who would have been drafted in the second round before the game vs UCONN.

I still rank my pgs as :

Rubio
Curry
Jennings
Teague / Holiday
Flynn

Don't overlook skill. I think Flynn is superior to Jennings and as a PG Teague and Curry as well.

In fact, I think RIGHT NOW he rivals Rubio as best pure PG in the draft. I do think Rubio has more upside and that's why he's considered a better prospect, but Flynn is a LOT of things the Kings needs. Speed, toughness, heart, leadership, playmaker, defense, ball control. There's a lot of things to like about Jonny Flynn.

 

[boffacheerios]

I don't see Flynn going at #4. Look at the heat Petrie took with taking JT last year a few picks early #12. He would work out a trade and move down a bit.

petrie wouldn't of been able to trade down for JT because Golden State was going to take him and they were 1 spot below us. In a draft like this, there is NO reaching. you take who you feel is the best and if Petrie feels Flynn is the guy then i'm down. What better options are there really? (at point guard for OUR team)

 

[GeraldWallace#3]

What better options are there really? (at point guard for OUR team)

*cough*Brandon Jennings*cough* Oh I dont know.....

 

[=LarryLegend=]

If we draft Flynn, it will help the growth of Donte since they were teammates and they know each others games.

 

[sactownfan]

I wanna just say that originally i wanted to swing for the fences with Brandon Jennings.... high risk/reward..... But after comparing Chris Paul's last college year against Flynn's.... not to mention comparing the character of Johnny Flynn vs Brandon Jennings....Im starting to think that the Swing for the fences might actually be a tad safer bet with Flynn...I Might be joining the JONNY FLYNN FOR #4! bandwagon....

Chris Paul's stat line...
Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG SPG
2004-2005 32 33.4 15.3 45 47.4 83.4 6.6 4.5 2.4

Jonny Flynn's...
Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG SPG
2008-2009 38 37 17.4 46 31.7 78.6 6.6 2.7 1.42

Obviously Im not Making The Case That Jonny is Chris paul... But Jonny could be special... and could be a home run if hes anywhere near Paul in the NBA....

IMPORTANT!!!
dont forget Petrie tried to trade for Nate Robinson at the deadline last year... at a steep price to us.... I think Petrie has no problem with the height... Its been said on a few sites now that Petrie is high on Flynn.

He might want his own Nate Robinson

 

[Kings Faithful]

If we draft Flynn, it will help the growth of Donte since they were teammates and they know each others games.

Hmm... I forgot about that. I think it would help out Greene to have Flynn around. My list goes...

Rubio
Tyreke/Flynn/Lawson/Jrue/Jennings

I agree with the statement above that after Rubio it really doesn't matter who we pick at #4... it just depends on who Petrie thinks is the best and any one of these guys could prove to be breakout players or just duds. It should be interesting come next season. I have a feeling who we choose could be the second best player in the draft regardless of who it is (assuming Griffin is as good as advertised).