JJ Reddick

[walker60]

Will do.

Ill use your words against you same way you did with me. You said they could of played him anything short of center. Well ok, Point guard he would get beaten off the dribble. Small forward he's too small and not strong enough. Power Forward he's way too small nor strong enough. That leaves us with 2-guard.

The guy has a Reggie Miller type of game. He isn't very good at creating his own shot(although he did improve). If Krzyzewski runs his offense through Deng, Duhon or Shelden Williams than JJ doesn't put up nearly as many points as he did. Thus becoming very less effective. He has trouble scoring on one-on-one situations, ESPECIALLY against anyone athletic. He's very good at coming off screens and utilizing his teammates to get his shot off and Coach K saw that very early and milked it for all it was worth. He emphasized his strengths and tried to hide his weaknesses as much as possible in the Duke system. Which is why you saw him completely murder some teams this season. If Coach K has a different mindset and decides to use JJ Redick as a role player, and letting him fight for his shots like every other role player does, than he doesn't put up those numbers. IF, for instance, he would of played for a Larry Brown type coach in college, do you really think he would of seen that much PT when the only thing he's truly great at is shooting and can't really play D or handle the ball? IMO, absolutely not.

JJ Redick needs his teammates to be dangerous. Just like Reggie Miller did. If his pro coach doesn't understand that, then he will bust. If Kzryzewski wouldn't of understood that, he MIGHT of been a bust in college too.

Hurray! Coach K is a genius for figuring out that JJ Redick is the best shooter in the nation! Man that guy is smart! Boy, if it weren't for Coach K, JJ might have been a bust!

Any coach with a pulse would have gotten JJ the ball. What was coach K gonna do? Let Melchionni shoot the rock 15 times a game, while telling JJ to become a role player? Haha I could see that:

Coach K: "JJ...i need you to quit shooting so much...i need to get Melchionni and Paulus more shots...I like what they bring to the table a little bit more..."

JJ: "But coach...umm...I might be the best player in the nation..."

Coach K: "Nah..I like you better as a role player JJ..."

Don't see Coach K doing that...

Oh and by the way...toward the end of the season Duke was running a three guard offense with Paulus (6-1), Dockery (6-2) or Nelson (6-2), and Redick (6-4). Melchionni wasn't playing a whole lot toward the end. So in essence, Redick was guarding the SF a lot of times. He played primarily the 2, but he also played the 1 and 3. I'm sure almost every college team would have taken JJ at the 1, 2 , or 3. Sorry for my sarcasm earlier when I said he would have been good anywhere but C, it can be hard to pick up in a forum post. PF isn't an option either, although you could have gone with a four guard offense like Villanova did and have Redick be your next biggest guy next to S. Williams, wouldn't recomend it but it would have won them some games.

 

[BMiller52]

It's not really the drunk driving incident that makes me say no it's that he's not really a good fit for our team. First off he's going to be injured and he's having back surgery. Second I wasn't impressed how he faded the last half of the NCAA season, if he can't even stand a whole NCAA season how can he play well a whole NBA season? We already have Martin, Garcia, and Wells in front of him so he'd get no time and he wouldn't help us. He can't play PG(only reason people say combo guard is because he's kinda short, but he won't be able to play that either). I want the most talented player available or a guy who will help us at a position we need like Hilton Armstrong or Kyle Lowry. If he had some other skills besides shooting I'd say yes but he can't dribble, he can't really drive, he can't post up, he can't defend, etc. He's like a shorter and much worse version of Peja. No thank you.

 

[walker60]

It's not really the drunk driving incident that makes me say no it's that he's not really a good fit for our team. First off he's going to be injured and he's having back surgery. Second I wasn't impressed how he faded the last half of the NCAA season, if he can't even stand a whole NCAA season how can he play well a whole NBA season? We already have Martin, Garcia, and Wells in front of him so he'd get no time and he wouldn't help us. He can't play PG(only reason people say combo guard is because he's kinda short, but he won't be able to play that either). I want the most talented player available or a guy who will help us at a position we need like Hilton Armstrong or Kyle Lowry. If he had some other skills besides shooting I'd say yes but he can't dribble, he can't really drive, he can't post up, he can't defend, etc. He's like a shorter and much worse version of Peja. No thank you.

Those are pretty good points BMiller52. If he fell all the way to 19 though, I think that would be a pretty good pick. Probably only if Wells were to leave though.

 

[chaps]

Bullcrap.

As long as some people are willing to make excuses for drunk drivers (he was upset because he's facing back surgery???????), people will continue to die on the roads needlessly.

I couldn't possibly care less what school this young man attends. It's not even part of the equation for me.

What's important is the erroneous attitude of "it's okay if he's drunk as long as he's not ****-faced"...

It's NOT okay. And this young man is in a position to be a role model for many other young people, whether he's willing to accept the responsbility or not.

When people drive drunk, people die. It's the only cause of death that is totally and completely preventable.

I'd like to put you in touch with a girl I know who lost her ENTIRE family because of a drunk driver. The only thing they were doing to contribute to their own death was to be on the road at the same time. Please do not insult them or anyone else by pretending DWI is nothing more than a college prank. It's very serious and potentially deadly. What part of "Don't drink and drive"? is so hard for people to understand?

When the F**K did I say that what he did was OK???? And when did I say it was a college prank?? Don't put words in my mouth that I never said. I even stated that what he did was S-T-U-P-I-D in my initial post.

Please, don't think I support what he did or defend his actions, like you clearly seem to believe, BECAUSE I DONT. I just question SOME people that are shouting names at him because from what Ive seen, DWI isn't done by 1 person out of a million, if you know what I mean. And honestly, there IS a difference between someone who is barely over the limit and someone ****faced behind the wheel. It's not because you happen to know someone whose entire family got killed by a drunk driver, which is extremely sad by the way(just putting it in bold so you dont skip the parts that I agree with you, which you tend to do), that a driver with .11 blood alcohol is AS DANGEROUS as one that's falling asleep behind the wheel, which by the way doesn't mean that I approve what Redick did . Are both of them extremely stupid and preventable? YES. Although, one is defenitely worst than the other. Just like how killing 10 people, for example, is worst than killing 1! Which doesnt make it ok to kill 1, or have a .11 blood alcohol level like in this incident, for that matter.

All I'm trying to say is, maybe some of us(MYSELF INCLUDED) that are shouting insults for what he did, should take a good hard look in the mirror and try to remember if we, or somebody we know, that took a small amount of beers, ever drove while clearly thinking that there was no way we were above the limit. Maybe JJ knew, maybe he didnt. Wel'll never know which doesnt make it any less OK, if he did or didnt know. Not knowing the law isnt an excuse.

I just think people should look at themselves before they insult him, and if youve done that and you consider yourself clean, then by all means pull out every negative insult you can ever think of to describe JJ Redick and I'm 100% cool with that.

 

[chaps]

Oh and by the way...toward the end of the season Duke was running a three guard offense with Paulus (6-1), Dockery (6-2) or Nelson (6-2), and Redick (6-4). Melchionni wasn't playing a whole lot toward the end. So in essence, Redick was guarding the SF a lot of times. He played primarily the 2, but he also played the 1 and 3. I'm sure almost every college team would have taken JJ at the 1, 2 , or 3. Sorry for my sarcasm earlier when I said he would have been good anywhere but C, it can be hard to pick up in a forum post. PF isn't an option either, although you could have gone with a four guard offense like Villanova did and have Redick be your next biggest guy next to S. Williams, wouldn't recomend it but it would have won them some games.

Nice sarcasm, I like it honestly. You need some practice but you're getting there. Keep it up.

There's a freaking difference between giving him the rock a zillion times a game while telling him, there you have it now SHOOT and ACTUALLY planning plays and figuring out ways to get him open. Just so you know.

The funny thing about your post is that you said how K was a "genius" for figuring out that JJ was perhaps the best shooter in the nation, despite you know having holes in his game. Well, JJ is a pro now, and he will be one of the best shooters in the NBA... you tell me Einstein, does that mean he will 100% for sure not be a bust?

The difference between my perspective and yours is that I put myself in a 2002 mind-frame. I see the JJ coming out of high school that was out-of-shape and overweight who was a flat out shooter and absolutely nothing else. The guy you picture in your head is the one from 2006 that you saw break Duke's and the ACC scoring mark and the all-time 3-point record. And then you ask yourself, how the hell can he say that the all-time points leader in ACC history MIGHT be a bust at the college level? I think before he accomplished all of that, plain and simple. When him becoming the all-time ACC leader in points and NCAA in 3 pointers-made, was considered one of the furthest thing possible for him to accompish.

As for the Villanova 4-guard offense, Jay Wright did that to create mismatches offensively because he had incredibly fast players and guards that can flat out rebound the ball, which wouldnt of hurt them defensively. You wanted Duke to do the same and have Redick be the 2nd tallest guy on the court? Bench Josh McRoberts? You honestly think that would of won them a lot of games? Do you know which team was the worst in rebounds in the ACC last year? I know, Duke! By putting JJ as your 4 and subbing McRoberts for either DeMarcus, Paulus or Dock, you're not really helping that cause now are ya! Villanova isn't Duke, it worked for them and thats great. Doesnt mean it would work for everyone.

 

[Warhawk]

And honestly, there IS a difference between someone who is barely over the limit and someone ****faced behind the wheel.

Although, one is defenitely worst than the other.

All I'm trying to say is, maybe some of us(MYSELF INCLUDED) that are shouting insults for what he did, should take a good hard look in the mirror and try to remember if we, or somebody we know, that took a small amount of beers, ever drove while clearly thinking that there was no way we were above the limit. Maybe JJ knew, maybe he didnt. Wel'll never know which doesnt make it any less OK, if he did or didnt know. Not knowing the law isnt an excuse.

I just think people should look at themselves before they insult him, and if youve done that and you consider yourself clean, then by all means pull out every negative insult you can ever think of to describe JJ Redick and I'm 100% cool with that.

You still seem to think a certain amount of alcohol consumption and driving is somewhat tolerable, and that is what some of us are taking exception to (except you also say neither are OK, so I'm having trouble following that). Well, that and apparently running from the police in a vehicle while legally intoxicated, which several here seem to be ignoring.

Does not endear yourself to those of us who have lost friends or family or who have otherwise been impacted by drunk drivers.

I have NEVER driven while intoxicated at all. EVER. And I always drive if anyone I'm with has been drinking. There is no excuse at all for doing it, and saying it was a "mistake" is the same as saying you put a gun to someone's head and pulled the trigger deserves a mulligan. It is a conscious decision to perform a dangerous act to drive while under the influence. It's not something to be excused or swept under the rug or made light of.

 

[VF21]

When the F**K did I say that what he did was OK???? And when did I say it was a college prank?? Don't put words in my mouth that I never said. I even stated that what he did was S-T-U-P-I-D in my initial post.

Please, don't think I support what he did or defend his actions, like you clearly seem to believe, BECAUSE I DONT. I just question SOME people that are shouting names at him because from what Ive seen, DWI isn't done by 1 person out of a million, if you know what I mean. And honestly, there IS a difference between someone who is barely over the limit and someone ****faced behind the wheel. It's not because you happen to know someone whose entire family got killed by a drunk driver, which is extremely sad by the way(just putting it in bold so you dont skip the parts that I agree with you, which you tend to do), that a driver with .11 blood alcohol is AS DANGEROUS as one that's falling asleep behind the wheel, which by the way doesn't mean that I approve what Redick did . Are both of them extremely stupid and preventable? YES. Although, one is defenitely worst than the other. Just like how killing 10 people, for example, is worst than killing 1! Which doesnt make it ok to kill 1, or have a .11 blood alcohol level like in this incident, for that matter.

All I'm trying to say is, maybe some of us(MYSELF INCLUDED) that are shouting insults for what he did, should take a good hard look in the mirror and try to remember if we, or somebody we know, that took a small amount of beers, ever drove while clearly thinking that there was no way we were above the limit. Maybe JJ knew, maybe he didnt. Wel'll never know which doesnt make it any less OK, if he did or didnt know. Not knowing the law isnt an excuse.

I just think people should look at themselves before they insult him, and if youve done that and you consider yourself clean, then by all means pull out every negative insult you can ever think of to describe JJ Redick and I'm 100% cool with that.

You might want to take a pill or something to calm down.

YOU were the one who made a big deal out of my comment that what Redick did was pretty stupid. I stand by the comment 100%, btw...

And I didn't make a bunch of negative insults about Redick.

The young man made a stupid mistake. It could end up costing him millions. He's lucky it didn't end up killing someone.

The number of people who drive drunk doesn't forgive any of them. It's a crisis in our country and one of the main reasons is because some people - and I'm using that as a general term, not inferring you - tend to look at it as something minor or something that should be forgiven because all college kids do it once in a while. (Read some of the other responses and I'm sure you'll see what I mean.)

I'm not going to get into a battle with you over this. I've said what I had to say.

Have a nice day.

 

[walker60]

Nice sarcasm, I like it honestly. You need some practice but you're getting there. Keep it up.

There's a freaking difference between giving him the rock a zillion times a game while telling him, there you have it now SHOOT and ACTUALLY planning plays and figuring out ways to get him open. Just so you know.

The funny thing about your post is that you said how K was a "genius" for figuring out that JJ was perhaps the best shooter in the nation, despite you know having holes in his game. Well, JJ is a pro now, and he will be one of the best shooters in the NBA... you tell me Einstein, does that mean he will 100% for sure not be a bust?

The difference between my perspective and yours is that I put myself in a 2002 mind-frame. I see the JJ coming out of high school that was out-of-shape and overweight who was a flat out shooter and absolutely nothing else. The guy you picture in your head is the one from 2006 that you saw break Duke's and the ACC scoring mark and the all-time 3-point record. And then you ask yourself, how the hell can he say that the all-time points leader in ACC history MIGHT be a bust at the college level? I think before he accomplished all of that, plain and simple. When him becoming the all-time ACC leader in points and NCAA in 3 pointers-made, was considered one of the furthest thing possible for him to accompish.

As for the Villanova 4-guard offense, Jay Wright did that to create mismatches offensively because he had incredibly fast players and guards that can flat out rebound the ball, which wouldnt of hurt them defensively. You wanted Duke to do the same and have Redick be the 2nd tallest guy on the court? Bench Josh McRoberts? You honestly think that would of won them a lot of games? Do you know which team was the worst in rebounds in the ACC last year? I know, Duke! By putting JJ as your 4 and subbing McRoberts for either DeMarcus, Paulus or Dock, you're not really helping that cause now are ya! Villanova isn't Duke, it worked for them and thats great. Doesnt mean it would work for everyone.

I said I didn't recommend it, I didn't say a lot of games either, I said some...but he did play a lot of SF, which you said he couldn't handle because he isn't strong enough. You said that right?

Redick was also the McDonald's All-American game MVP...he wasn't out of shape and overweight (he's always been skinny)...its not like he came out of nowhere...

Just think about what you said earlier. That JJ might have been a bust in college if he didn't have a coach who knew how to use him properly. You said that too right? You could have Whoopi Goldberg from Eddie coaching JJ in college and he wouldn't have been a bust...the guy was too good.

I'm done posting about your theory of what might have happened to JJ in college if he didn't have the right coach...this should be about how we think he will turn out in the pros, not what might have happened in college.

 

[target]

No thanks on JJ. He has T-Rex arms.

"With the release of wingspans as well as with the release of standing reach, the true size of an NBA prospect can be broken down to the last inch. There were some surprise and astonishment when some players measured out very favorably while other players did not seem to possess the correct wingspan and/or standing reach to go with their height. The average person's wingspan is equal to his height without shoes; most athletes’ wingspans usually tend to be about 2 inches above their height with shoes on average.

...Redick is probably the most noteworthy considering his lottery status. Brandon Roy for example will probably not suffer from having a 6’8” wingspan when measuring in at 6’5¼” without shoes on, but J.J. Redick on the other hand will. While he did measure at 6’4” without shoes, which was quite a surprise before the wingspans and standing reaches were released, his wingspan left much to be desired. At 6’3¼” Redick had the smallest arms in relation to height in camp. He was only person who measured out shorter on his wingspan than on his height without shoes. With his recent legal troubles coupled with questions about his back, this has not been a good week for the former Cave Spring star."

Link to full article: http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1349

 

[jdoggtwenty2]

I would take him in a second with the 19th pick. At 19 you have to draft for talent not position, and if he fell that far Reddick would be by far the most talented player available. Position wise he does not fit what we need right now, but skill wise he does. The guy is an incredible jump shooter, mid range and from 3. Among other things, I think we could use another guy that can shoot right now.

On the DUI...yes it was extremely stupid and dangerous. Unfortunately however, that describes the activities of the vast majority of 16-24 year old males in the US. I'm not trying to excuse it, because there is no excuse for it, but I do think a little perspective is in order. I don't see a pattern of behavior here. In fact I see the opposite, an isolated incident which is not consistient with what he's shown his character to be outside this incident. The unfortunate truth is, if you are going to rule out players who have done things like this, I believe you would be ruling out the vast majority of available players. In fact most have probably done things even more reckless than this, the only difference is the other players haven't gotten caught and DUI is a political hot button issue. Again, I'm not excusing the DUI, or saying that it is okay to drive drunk, I'm just saying I don't think this one incident is a good reason not to take Reddick with the 19th pick.

 

[chaps]

I would take him in a second with the 19th pick. At 19 you have to draft for talent not position, and if he fell that far Reddick would be by far the most talented player available. Position wise he does not fit what we need right now, but skill wise he does. The guy is an incredible jump shooter, mid range and from 3. Among other things, I think we could use another guy that can shoot right now.

On the DUI...yes it was extremely stupid and dangerous. Unfortunately however, that describes the activities of the vast majority of 16-24 year old males in the US. I'm not trying to excuse it, because there is no excuse for it, but I do think a little perspective is in order. I don't see a pattern of behavior here. In fact I see the opposite, an isolated incident which is not consistient with what he's shown his character to be outside this incident. The unfortunate truth is, if you are going to rule out players who have done things like this, I believe you would be ruling out the vast majority of available players. In fact most have probably done things even more reckless than this, the only difference is the other players haven't gotten caught and DUI is a political hot button issue. Again, I'm not excusing the DUI, or saying that it is okay to drive drunk, I'm just saying I don't think this one incident is a good reason not to take Reddick with the 19th pick.

beautifully said

 

[Warhawk]

And my point is that yes, people do dumb things, but all he had to do for the next couple weeks is do nothing stupid. That's it. He's pretty much guaranteed millions of $$$ if he keeps his name out of the papers until the draft.

And what does he do? Drives drunk and runs from the police. Doesn't that raise red flags anywhere?

This isn't the beginning of his freshman year or two weeks after he signed a contract. This is one of the most important times to keep your nose clean, and only for a couple weeks. That's it. A coule weeks. And he can't do it.

 

[nbrans]

On the DUI...yes it was extremely stupid and dangerous. Unfortunately however, that describes the activities of the vast majority of 16-24 year old males in the US. I'm not trying to excuse it, because there is no excuse for it, but I do think a little perspective is in order. I don't see a pattern of behavior here. In fact I see the opposite, an isolated incident which is not consistient with what he's shown his character to be outside this incident. The unfortunate truth is, if you are going to rule out players who have done things like this, I believe you would be ruling out the vast majority of available players. In fact most have probably done things even more reckless than this, the only difference is the other players haven't gotten caught and DUI is a political hot button issue. Again, I'm not excusing the DUI, or saying that it is okay to drive drunk, I'm just saying I don't think this one incident is a good reason not to take Reddick with the 19th pick.

Driving while drunk is really stupid. Driving while drunk THREE WEEKS BEFORE THE NBA DRAFT when your draft stock is volatile is COLOSSALLY stupid. I mean, it doesn't get much more stupid than that. It's like the time Keon Clark got caught with marijuana while he was a free agent. Stupid, stupid, stupid. You can just imagine the heart attacks these guys caused their agents. But seriously, Duke people make me so sick with the cult of personality stuff. Excuses, excuses, excuses, even while they say, "Now I'm not trying to make excuses!!!

Now granted, it probably has nothing to do with how he plays on the court. How does he play on the court? He's a 6'4" dead eye shooter with below average athleticism. When has this ever worked? Even Cuttino Mobley struggles sometimes defensively and getting his own shot due to his height, and he's a very good athlete. Casey Jacobsen bounced out of the league, and he was nearly the shooter, 6'6" and a better athlete than Redick. He wasn't athletic enough.

So if Redick is available with the #19 I will shout a very big PASS at my television screen.

P.S. For comparison, here are Casey Jacbosen's and JJ Redick's junior years:

Jacobsen: PPG: 21.9, RPG: 4.5, APG: 3.5, FG%: 44.1, 3P%: 37.2
JJ Redick: PPG: 21.8, RPG: 3.3, APG: 2.6, FG%: 40.8, 3P%: 40.3

Had Jacobsen returned for his senior year he very well could have had a Player of the Year season like Redick's given how good Stanford was at that time and how he dominated college. When you compare them as juniors it's pretty uncanny -- Jacobsen beats Redick in every category but 3P%, and the prior year Jacobsen shot 47% from three, something Redick never even came close to doing.

How now brown cow?