It's Official...The Nets were right (SAR)

[Superman]

Is this the 5 year slide your talking about?

Hate to speak for someone else, but, yes. That's the five year slide.

I might call it a four year slide, actually, as we were probably right there if not for "The Knee".

Either way, if you're going to argue that we only started declining last year, then you need a reality check, dude. Look beyond the records. We have been getting less and less competitive for at least four years. And what makes that so bad is that we haven't done anything to get better. Bibby is older, Miller is older, long gone are the rest of the core from the good ol' days, and we're stuck here complaining about KT and 'Reef and Mikki Moore.

This is sad. And if your opinion is shared by the front office, we're in even worse shape than I thought. I have never heard anyone argue that we only recently started to decline. That's shocking to me.

 

[dude12]

Hate to speak for someone else, but, yes. That's the five year slide.

I might call it a four year slide, actually, as we were probably right there if not for "The Knee".

Either way, if you're going to argue that we only started declining last year, then you need a reality check, dude. Look beyond the records. We have been getting less and less competitive for at least four years. And what makes that so bad is that we haven't done anything to get better. Bibby is older, Miller is older, long gone are the rest of the core from the good ol' days, and we're stuck here complaining about KT and 'Reef and Mikki Moore.

This is sad. And if your opinion is shared by the front office, we're in even worse shape than I thought. I have never heard anyone argue that we only recently started to decline. That's shocking to me.

Your saying we were in decline in 2003? WTF! In 2004, if you want to call it a slide I guess you can. We win 50 games with all the moves we made. Were we still capable of winning the championship? Hell yeah. I did look beyond the records. I gave you an explanation of what moves were made during that year. Hey, if your one of the people that thinks Petrie sits on his *** and does nothing, more power to you. The next injury that occurs, you can blame Petrie, like the actual start of this thread did.

 

[dude12]

How does a team on a supposed slide still be considered an upper tier team capable of winning the championship? Ho Ho....that is incredible. Explain to me the slide from 2002-2004....enlighten me on that.

 

[Jerryaki]

The next injury that occurs, you can blame Petrie, like the actual start of this thread did.

holy cow, this thread is about SAR's knees? hahaha

 

[Superman]

if you were in a court of law trying to prove a point, wouldn't you want to bring up evidence that establishes a behavioral pattern?

the tone of this thread is "you can't judge petrie on the moves he's doing now, have patience, a rebuild takes a few years." and then i'm told, "you can't use hindsight, those deals are in the past." so when, exactly, can i analyze his moves???

I'm sorry if you got the impression that I was defending Petrie by trying to completely absolve him of all guilt in this matter. I'm not.

I am, however, defending him (somewhat) on "The Gerald Wallace Mistake". I don't think it was too big of a deal, to begin with. And I don't think you can sit here and criticize someone for a mistake in 2003, if you're looking at it from a 2007 perspective. You can look back and say what Petrie should have done, but anyone can do that.

What's impressive to me about a good GM is when they see something before anyone else does, and they react to it to improve their team. Jerry West showed this type of foresight with the Kobe/Vlade trade. You can argue that Petrie showed a lack of foresight when signing Peeler, but I differ. I think Peeler was what Petrie was looking for, and Peeler's sticking contingency was (apparently) that he have a second-year option.

You can argue that Geoff should have signed some other random player to a two-year contract in order to keep Wallace protected, but that seems rather unprofessional and, to be honest, unrealistic.

You can analyze a decision four years later, but to criticize the person that made the decision seems rather unfair, if you ask me. You have the benefit of hindsight; he didn't. However, he has made mistakes, oversights, etc., and has allowed this team to deteriorate into the mess we have today, and we have no apparent plans to rebuild anytime soon. I'm not trying to protect Petrie from criticism; I'm saying that you can't say "Look at what Gerald has become; how did we leave him unprotected?! Stupid Petrie!", when it's 2007 and that happened in 2003-04. That doesn't seem fair to me.

 

[dude12]

holy cow, this thread is about SAR's knees? hahaha

I think...maybe it was a different thread...personally I'd rather watch the game.

 

[nbrans]

The whole Gerald Wallace thing..... I mean, we were a missed buzzer three pointer and/or a Peeler suspension away from going to overtime and possibly the Western Conference Finals. Wallace wasn't getting time and he wasn't GOING to get time -- it's just such a moot point. Everyone acts like Peeler and his agent had no say in what type of contract he was going to get and that we should have given up our sixth man at a time we were still legitimately competing to protect our twelth man. Peja was coming off a career year -- how was Wallace going to get more than 10 minutes a game? This has been hashed and rehashed so many times it makes my head hurt.

I've been a Petrie guy for a long time -- he's right a whole lot more than he's wrong, and no one's going to be perfect. I'm even willing to give him the benefit of the doubt about the inaction considering the general decline of the roster and the fact that everyone is pretty near untradeable. But this past year... I just don't know anymore. That Moore signing was absolutely horrendous. And yeah, the SAR signing looks pretty bad now if there really was valid concern at the time about his knee (like Bricklayer I thought that was all posturing by the Nets).

 

[Superman]

Your saying we were in decline in 2003? WTF! In 2004, if you want to call it a slide I guess you can. We win 50 games with all the moves we made. Were we still capable of winning the championship? Hell yeah. I did look beyond the records. I gave you an explanation of what moves were made during that year. Hey, if your one of the people that thinks Petrie sits on his *** and does nothing, more power to you. The next injury that occurs, you can blame Petrie, like the actual start of this thread did.

How does a team on a supposed slide still be considered an upper tier team capable of winning the championship? Ho Ho....that is incredible. Explain to me the slide from 2002-2004....enlighten me on that.

Just because we were "contenders" doesn't mean we weren't on the downward slide. The Lakers weren't as good in 2002 as they were in 2001, and weren't as good in 2004 as they were in 2002. They made the Finals all those years.

And if you would read the posts I have made in this thread, you would have a good idea of what my position is on Geoff Petrie over the past five years. If you don't want to do that, then you can continue to make broad assumptions and lump me in under some arbitrary canopy of "Petrie Haters" that sticks burning voodoo needles in Petrie bobblehead dolls everytime a Kings player gets injured. Makes no matter to me either way.

All I'm saying is that the Kings have been on the decline for longer than two seasons. And Geoff - as the Vice President of Basketball Operations - is ultimately responsible and, since we suck, you could say he's culpable, for the product on the floor. And we don't have a good product on the floor.

 

['89 Kings Fan]

My biggest problem with the SAR signing at the time was that we already had that guy on our roster. Remember Darius?

In 05-06
Name MIN FG% Reb PPG
Darius 21:23 48.1 4.0 9.2
SAR 27:11 52.5 5.0 12.3

And we could have kept him at the third of the price. That would also have left us with a clear starter/bench player dynamic Kenny/SAR then a constant bickering SAR/Kenny.

As to the Gerald Wallace Fiasco, obviously if the Bobcats made him the centerpiece of their expansion draft he had some value. Losing him for nothing was bad judgment. We had to expose someone in the draft we should have just exposed Christie. We ended up trading him 2 months into the season anyway for essentially an expiring contract.