Is Jimmer our futre pg?

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Im just a little torn with this right now. As a rookie Tyreke mainly gaurded and was gaurded by other point gaurds. This gave a huge mismatch every single night it seemed. Last year he seemed to be matched up against sg or sf's. He was less effective at getting to the rim(injuries were the problem as well). So is the Tyreke as our pg experiment over? I have no problem with tyreke being a ball dominant sg in the d wade mold. My only problem with that is that Tyreke cant shoot a lick. If he shows no improvement this year, you have to start wondering if it will ever improve.

Jimmer on the other hand seems like the perfect pg to play along with a ball dominant sg. A lights out shooter who is also comfortable handling the ball and creating with finishing ability at the rim. I'm hoping for Jason Terry with Jimmer. Then you also have to throw in Thornton, who showed he is a 20ppg type player. So basically we have 3 gaurds that prefer to have the ball and love to score. It could be the most explosive offense in the NBA or it could implode on us if you add in the Cousins factor. We really need to sign some vet/locker room leader types that will control the ego's of these young guys. I say we go after Shane Battier and Dally. Then trade one of our glut of SF's.
 
Im not much of a fan of his yet. I believe very strongly in defense and i believe Jimmer will be able to play very little of it in the NBA. I would be happy to be wrong about this. If i had to make a guestimation id say theres an 85% chance that Jimmer is nothing more than a
spot up shooter in his career with the Kings. The only way I can picture him having an affect on the game is by spacing the floor. Which is great if it happens. Make me eat my words Jimmer!
 
I think he is. At least I believe that's the intent here.

Doesn't mean Reke won't have the ball in his hands though. One might be labelled the pg, and the other the sg, but it won't be a classic pg/sg relationship. One of the reasons the pairing should work is because of how well Jimmer plays off the ball. But they'll work it out. Plenty of time. Beno and Reke played very well together, and this has the potential to be better.

I see Thorton as the 6th man. Maybe not when the season starts. Depends on what Westy see's at camp. But I'd expect Jimmer to be the point sooner rather then later.

Whatever the rotation, our backcourt should produce much more the last years. I'm excited.
 
Right now Jimmer is our current hype guard. We'll have to see about anything more. Is he a Beno clone? Jim Paxson? Jamaal Crawford? Better? Worse? Too selfish? Can he play D? Who knows. Thing is that Marcus Thornton is flat out better than him until he proves differently, but as was mentioned when Kevin was still here, there is a very short and not very glorious history of trying to team up two 20ppg scorers in one backcourt. While I detest the comparison, you begin to talk about something like the Francis/Mobley pairing in Houston in the early 00s.

Should also be mentioned that the teammates around them make a difference. If we run a lot of offense through Cousins, then a more PGy guy like Jimmer becomes less important and might even interfere with better players getting their touches. Maybe that is even the intention with Salmons, who selfishness aside has the handling skills to help with ballhandling chores. On the other hand if we're not getting enough handling than you might have to turn to the rook and hope the hype is legit. Either way we clearly cleared out a useful player in Beno to make room for him, so he's in our plans. With two guys at the guard spots ahead of him both capable of 20ppg a night though, where exactly in the plans is a real question. Lots of outside peeps are calling our roster dysfuctional because we have too many guys who like to shoot. One hopes there's a plan.
 
Jimmer would be a starter on this team if he brings his long bombs to the NBA. That'll keep defenses honest. Beno is a good perimeter shooter but Jimmer has the potential to become one of the NBA's best shooter from WAAAY out there.
 
KingsCitizen said:
Jimmer would be a starter on this team if he brings his long bombs to the NBA. That'll keep defenses honest. Beno is a good perimeter shooter but Jimmer has the potential to become one of the NBA's best shooter from WAAAY out there.
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Its handy, but he'll need to be more than that to be a starter. You have to do the other things. Lots and lots of great 3pt shooters who spend most of their lives picking splinters out of their behinds. So we'll just have to see. By clearing Beno we certianly cleared the room for him to get minutes and show what he can do. But to start he's got to show he can do more than just shoot. Thronton is a great shooter himself. And a strong driver, a post player, a clutch guy, a fesity athlete around the glass. Jimmer has to offer up more than just a shot in order to beat that. He's got to be able to play a role, play defense, and help make guys better.
 
Paul Westphal is our coach. If Salmons gets injured or whines his way out of town... I wouldn't rule out Paul putting Reke at the 3 with Jimmer and Marcus as the guards.

Until I see a remarkable improvement in Jimmers game I will continue to hate that draft day trade about as much as you can hate something. This team would have been better this year with Beno, AK, and a rookie (Knight?). Now were stuck with Salmons and Jimmer. Ugh.
 
Jimmer is not Eddie House, guys. You can see in his BYU games that he can be a great point guard in the pick and roll, in transition and out of any double team. He can be so much like Mark Price, but slower.
 
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MassachusettsKingsFan said:
Paul Westphal is our coach. If Salmons gets injured or whines his way out of town... I wouldn't rule out Paul putting Reke at the 3 with Jimmer and Marcus as the guards.

Until I see a remarkable improvement in Jimmers game I will continue to hate that draft day trade about as much as you can hate something. This team would have been better this year with Beno, AK, and a rookie (Knight?). Now were stuck with Salmons and Jimmer. Ugh.
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You do realize that Salmons and Evans are both 6'6"? Evans will be playing some three again this year anyways.

People need to realize that Jimmer was asked to be the player he was in college. He wasn't supposed to play defense and get fouls on him. Lastly, how many PG in the NBA play good or better defense? Not many. I'm sure everyone always complains about Barea, Nash, Boykins, Curry etc playing defense too.
 
Section 101 said:
You do realize that Salmons and Evans are both 6'6"? Evans will be playing some three again this year anyways.

People need to realize that Jimmer was asked to be the player he was in college. He wasn't supposed to play defense and get fouls on him. Lastly, how many PG in the NBA play good or better defense? Not many. I'm sure everyone always complains about Barea, Nash, Boykins, Curry etc playing defense too.
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Oh, I realize it, and I hate it.

Just like I hated it last year when Cisco played the 3, or when we put Beno, Thornton, and Evans out there at the same time... or anytime Carl Landry was on the court.

I never want to be undersized. Never, ever, ever. For the past year we have had the ability physically wear down whoever we are playing, and it took us up until the end of last year to finally do it. I don't think its any coincidence that we starting winning after we went as big as we could with Dalembert-Cousins-Garcia-Evans-Thornton. Now we'll have the ability to add to it with Salmons (who is about the same size as Cisco, but 'plays' bigger)

Dalembert-Cousins-Salmons-Thornton-Evans is a physically opposing lineup. Add Jimmer and subtract Salmons and we go from oversized to undersized .. from a plus defensive team to a minus defensive team.

I don't want to see Evans start games at the 3 .. especially if it is with Jimmer and Thornton.
 
It remains to be seen whether Jimmer can be our pg. I doubt that Petrie has a 95% confidence level when it comes to Jimmer and his currenlty unproven NBA pg skills. Petrie should look to get a veteran pg to cover his bets. I wouldn't want to hinge the entire season, and maybe even the continued existence of the Kings in Sacramento, on Jimmer.
 
First, I seriously doubt that Jimmer will start anytime soon. Maybe down the road, but not now. And thats fine with me, and I'm sure its fine with Jimmer. Contrary to what some people may think, Jimmer is a very unselfish player, and is just fine with setting up other people. Just don't leave him open. Since I saw every game he played last year, and most of those the year before, I doubt anyone other than a student at BYU saw him play more. He's a hard working dedicated team player that will do whats asked of him to help the team win. The last two years he was asked to score, and stay out of foul trouble. He did both those things and he still averaged around 4 assists a game. And if he had anyone to pass the ball to, he would have had many more assists a game.

But make no mistake, there will be an adjustment period. And its a rare player that comes into the NBA from college and stuns you with his defense. However, I think he'll be fine in time. Its team defense that wins you games along with having one of two very good defenders. If one of those defenders happens to be a post defender, so much the better. As far as saying who you want to see start, I think we all know who the starters will be if we retain both Thornton and Dalembert. After that, its about matchups. I'm sure there will times when Thornton, Evans, and Jimmer will all be on the floor at the same time. And if the matchup is a good one, it could be an advantage. Short against tall can sometimes be a good matchup if the tall can't shoot the ball, but the small can, and also has a quickness advantage. There are just too many variables to generalize.

In short, clear you mind of this image of Jimmer being a ball dominate shoot first type player. He's not!!! He's a good passer and a good ballhandler who happens to be a great shooter. He is not Redick.
 
bajaden said:
In short, clear you mind of this image of Jimmer being a ball dominate shoot first type player. He's not!!! He's a good passer and a good ballhandler who happens to be a great shooter. He is not Redick.
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Totally agree with you. I would rather him start off the bench anyways. No reason to throw him in the fire. He will build his confidence against the other teams bench.
 
I don't expect him to start either barring Thornton somehow not coming back or a big trade.

Excited to see what he can do though; he could be a real energiser off the bench.
 
Hallama said:
Jimmer is a pretty similar player to Bibby. Great shooter, not a great defender. Average passing/ball handling for a PG.
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Jimmer's ball handling is actually VERY good. His crossover is damn well refined and his ability to split defenders with the dribble is highly underrated and quite useful for him seeing as how he saw a lot of doubles last year. Go ahead and watch some of his college games and you will be able to make a more educated opinion on him.
 
Kingsguy881 said:
Jimmer's ball handling is actually VERY good. His crossover is damn well refined and his ability to split defenders with the dribble is highly underrated and quite useful for him seeing as how he saw a lot of doubles last year. Go ahead and watch some of his college games and you will be able to make a more educated opinion on him.
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I watched him plenty and I agree with your above assessment. However, he does get a little sloppy dribbling full court and half court extended. Not perfect, he will get hijacked here and there by quicker players.
 
Hallama said:
I watched him plenty and I agree with your above assessment. However, he does get a little sloppy dribbling full court and half court extended. Not perfect, he will get hijacked here and there by quicker players.
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I have yet to see a basketball player get "hijacked", anywhere, ever.
 
Hallama said:
I watched him plenty and I agree with your above assessment. However, he does get a little sloppy dribbling full court and half court extended. Not perfect, he will get hijacked here and there by quicker players.
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Yeah I think he did lose focus during games a bit. He is going to have to focus more at the next level on not spacing out and making the smart play. I just disagreed with the 'average ballhandling' bit. Dude has very good handles and excellent body control.
 
I guess I can see Reke as a ball dominant 2 with Jimmer as a shooting PG, but the problem is the rest of the team being blacked out by having two shoot-first guys in the backcourt.
 
Jimmer will not need to shoot first. He will shoot if left unguarded and when he runs his defender through a pick. The fellas like to win and will pass to Jimmer if he rains the three.

KB
 
Chupacabra said:
Im not much of a fan of his yet. I believe very strongly in defense and i believe Jimmer will be able to play very little of it in the NBA. I would be happy to be wrong about this. If i had to make a guestimation id say theres an 85% chance that Jimmer is nothing more than a
spot up shooter in his career with the Kings. The only way I can picture him having an affect on the game is by spacing the floor. Which is great if it happens. Make me eat my words Jimmer!
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Jimmer is too talented to be just a spot up shooter IMO. As for his defense, we will have to wait and see. It is rare for any college player to come into the NBA and be a great defensive player (especially great offensive ones). But Jimmer was pretty much asked NOT to play defense which means we have little to work with when trying to judge his defensive capibilities.
 
Hallama said:
I watched him plenty and I agree with your above assessment. However, he does get a little sloppy dribbling full court and half court extended. Not perfect, he will get hijacked here and there by quicker players.
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Its a learning process, and he's no different than anyone else. The game will seem quicker to him for a while, but when he finally adjusts, he'll be fine. I admit that he did get a little with the ball at times, but he was the primary ballhandler and he did play from 35 to all 40 minutes every game. Frankly I thought he started to look a little worn out toward the end of the season. I think having to carry the entire team for the whole season was taking its toll on him.

Its one thing to be a guy that just slides to the perimiter for an open spot up three, but its quite another when the other teams entire defense is geared toward stopping you from scoring. There were times where he was doubled at halfcourt. I don't think most people are aware that Jimmer scored almost as many points by driving to the basket as he did shooting from the outside. Especially on nights when his shot wasn't dropping.
 
I have a simple answer to the original question: no!

He's a 6th man who can play either guard position for those of you who need to put people into defined slots. He can be a pass first PG or a bombs away shooting guard. He also can be on the court when we are 20 down and you pray he is hot. If we have Dally (oh, please folks, it's an 8-9 man game, remember?) we can even afford to go "small." Otherwise mash together baja and Brick's notes and it's how I feel.

He's a rookie and will have warts. Fortunately, he is not crucial to the team assuming certain signings.

As a somewhat tangential comment, I am mystified as to how people have forgotten what Thornton brought to this team at the end of the year. Personally, he is the guy I want to take the last shot in a close game or at least to have the ball in hand. I remember notes of incredible enthusiasm as to what he brought to this team - a team that has Cousins and Tyreke mind you. It's not only his skills but how he fits with a certain tall guard who doesn't have a great outside game yet also can attack. This idea he is defensively challenged is new to this board and I believe comes as a carry over from the last team he was on. He's young, for goodnes sake! His got muscle and can body people. Give him a few years.
 
I would usually say if he was that we would be in trouble. But, I am going to give this guy a chance and see how he pans out, I won't be too quick to judge him and this thread is too early right now. Let's watch a rookie season of Jimmer first and then maybe we can revisit this topic down the road again if it comes to that.
 
Easy answer... NO Jimmer is not our future PG.

At best he can be a spot starter and a "Steve Kerr" for us off the bench. Or to put it in Kings terms a reincarnated Jon Barry.
 
Gary said:
Easy answer... NO Jimmer is not our future PG.

At best he can be a spot starter and a "Steve Kerr" for us off the bench. Or to put it in Kings terms a reincarnated Jon Barry.
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Considering that he doesn't look like Barry, and doesn't play like Barry, I'm somewhat confused. But I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. Lets just say that I disagree with you....
 
Gary said:
Easy answer... NO Jimmer is not our future PG.

At best he can be a spot starter and a "Steve Kerr" for us off the bench. Or to put it in Kings terms a reincarnated Jon Barry.
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Well I can tell you just simply don't like Jimmer.

There isn't much similarity with Kerr, J Barry, and I think if Jimmer weren't white, no one would think of comparing Jimmer to those two.
 
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bajaden said:
Considering that he doesn't look like Barry, and doesn't play like Barry, I'm somewhat confused. But I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. Lets just say that I disagree with you....
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Would not be the first time that he severely doubted the talent of one of our draft picks. Most likely will not be the last.
 
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