I'm not mad at Petrie because...

[VF21]

1. He built the team that took my breath away the first time around and I still have faith he can do it again. It hasn't been THAT long, especially in NBA years.

2. With one year exception, he's put a team together that at least was watchable.

3. Me being mad at him just seems to be a waste of time, much like me being mad at Cynthia Lennon for years.

4. He found Martin and Garcia, both of whom are capable of taking the excitement level of a game up several notches.

5. He doesn't conduct his business in the media.

(Note: This thread is in direct response to a request for a rebuttal to the "I'm mad at Petrie because" thread.)

 

[nbrans]

The man plays a mean game of poker.

I'm not totally thrilled with all the moves he made in the last year, but at the end of the day he made a good move with Bibby and I think we're actually in a decent place with Artest.

 

[tradepeja]

And the point of splitting the thread into two distinct camps is......?

 

[BMiller52]

Exactly, there are plenty of reasons not to be mad at Geoff. I'm not mad at him because:

1. He originally built the team with Chris, Mike, Vlade, etc.
2. He drafted Kevin with the 26th pick. It's pretty rare you get a 24 PPG guy with a late 1st.
3. He finally got the ball rolling as far as the rebuild goes. He managed to send Mike to a team in the East that he has a shot of getting to the playoffs while getting a lottery pick PF and expiring contracts in return. I'd say that's a damn good deal, way better than what the Cavs were offering.
4. He doesn't accept bad offers. If we had taken the Cavs offer we would've made a really bad deal, instead we atleast get to take a flyer on a former lotto pick PF.
5. Even though I hated the Hawes pick, it looks like it might turn out well. He's shown some potential.
6. He's a good drafter overall. 3/4 of his last 4 picks definitely have a future in the league, and hopefully on the Kings. Spencer has shown enough signs I'd think it's safe to say he'll have a place somewhere, Kevin's a very good #2 guy, and Cisco has shown he can play. The only unknown out of those is Douby.
7. He got 3 total picks in next year's draft. Sure 2 of them are 2nd round picks and the other is our lottery pick, but I don't think he's done dealing. For all we know he could flip Salmons for a late 1st on draft night.
8. Yeah he has made his mistakes but atleast he's not Isiah, Larry, King, Knight, Baylor, etc.

 

[Jechtsphere]

Because I just wanted Artest gone so bad and at the time I was emotional about it and now I know he did the right thing.

He won't accept a bad offer.

His draft success.

 

[VF21]

And the point of splitting the thread into two distinct camps is......?

So people can feel free to express both sides of the issue? It seemed like a good idea so I did it. If it's not your cup of tea you can certainly just move on to the next thread.

 

[BMiller52]

So people can feel free to express both sides of the issue? It seemed like a good idea so I did it. If it's not your cup of tea you can certainly just move on to the next thread.

Well yeah, I don't see why there should only be the thread to direct anger at Petrie. I'm quite happy with what he's done lately. He made sure he didn't get ripped off in the Artest deal, and he got a good deal for Bibby. I'm happy he got a former lotto pick PF for Mike. I don't see why it's bad to have a thread discussing why you're happy with certain moves he's made, just like I don't see why it's bad to discuss unhappiness with moves he's made. So I agree.

 

[Fresno King]

I agree with splitting the threads totally. Petrie has given us 10 times more reasons to not be mad at him in the first place.

So... I'm not mad at Petrie because...

-He gave me a reason to spend hundreds of dollars worth of memorabilia over the years (Webber photos, championship t-shirts, jerseys, etc.)

-He gave us "The Bench Mob."

-He drafts well.

-He's one of the top GM's in the league. Period.

 

[RunNGun]

Here here.

Petrie has made both good and bad decision in his career. However his good decisions put an unknown crappy franchise on the map with a team that was so good that current teams are often compared to them. And his bad decisions have been manageable rather than risking the franchise's future.

I think people fail to realize that small franchises are MAJOR underdogs to any large franchise. Its how the system works. The NBA likes it, it gives them money. Petrie at least has given life to this franchise and I believe that he deserves as much credit for that playoff streak as Adelmann did.

 

[RKid]

1. He built the team that took my breath away the first time around and I still have faith he can do it again. It hasn't been THAT long, especially in NBA years.

2. With one year exception, he's put a team together that at least was watchable.

3. Me being mad at him just seems to be a waste of time, much like me being mad at Cynthia Lennon for years.

Could your give a reasons for hating Cynthia Lennon? Im a huge beatles fan, I mean huge. I read her book on John and I read bob spitz biography on the beatles. (I failed my english class last year because I would read during class)

If there is anything to be mad at her for, it should be for letting lennon run her over and not being able to lay down the law. On the other hand, if John would have stayed with her, there would be no Revolution, or Give Peace a Chance among others.

Sorry I didnt mean to derail the thread. You all can go back to your petrie love fest now.

 

[tradepeja]

eh, i meant forum in my post earlier. just seems like thisll make for discontent by having an obvious pro-Geoff and anti-Geoff sides of the guild. you guys are the mods though.

 

[kennadog]

eh, i meant forum in my post earlier. just seems like thisll make for discontent by having an obvious pro-Geoff and anti-Geoff sides of the guild. you guys are the mods though.

You mean it wasn't obvious before?

 

[kupman]

I really like GP because:

He took a poor team and helped them become a good and then a very good to excellent team. We have since slumped to mediocre, but feel that within 3-4 years we could be very good to excellent again.

That would be 10+ years somewhere within the "mediocre to excellent range."

Not too shabby.

 

[CruzDude]

Petrie didn't win Executive of the Year twice for making bad moves. Or had some of you forgotten. And he works for the Maloofs who can make anything they want to happen but they keep their faith in Geoff and stay out of muddling.

Look back at the drafts and see if his picks ignored any gems taken later. I went back 5 years and who he picked has worked and there were an awful lot of players picked before King picks that have disappeared or still haven't panned out. Remember from 2006 back to 1999 the Kings picks were in the 20's.

Nope, he has done an excellent job and done the best possible with what was available without trading for the sake of trading.

 

[Jerryaki]

And he works for the Maloofs who can make anything they want to happen but they keep their faith in Geoff and stay out of muddling.

wait...whaaaaaa?

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

I particularly like his ability to discover younger players at the bottom of the waste basket and/or neglected by other teams and help establish them as NBA players. I think Dahntay Jones and Justin Williams showed much ability while with us, and John Salmons particularly showed his scoring potential with us after being perceived as a jack of all trades master of none type guy at Philly. Beno Udrih goes without saying--the guy has proven that he can start despite his ceiling suggesting that he should amount to somewhere between straddling the line of starting PG and sparkplug off the bench.

His drafting has been solid--I remember in charting the past couple of drafts, I wasn't quite sold on drafting Kevin Martin or Franky that high on draft day, but it happened, and it's paid off dividends in the long run. I wanted Rondo over Douby, Thornton over Hawes, but both players are solid so far and can only improve from here on out.

 

[bajaden]

Gosh, its far to easy to jump in here and agree with everyone. I happen to be a fan of Petrie, partly because of his past history, and partly because of what the alternative would be. God forbid that we could have a GM like Isiah, or until this year, Ainge. How would you like to be Grizzly fan right now.

I witnessed so many bonehead moves in the early years of this organization, that, just about any intelligent looking moves would look like genius.

Is there someone out there who is better? Well, history tell us that there's always someone lurking around the corner thats fresh, new, original, (at least for a while) and ready to have a book written about him after he revolutionizes the concept of what a GM should be.

I once started my own business, and made a sucess of it. And please, I'm not trying to toot my own horn. My point is that when your in charge, you sometimes make decisions that your employees don't understand, and many times will be critical of. But they don't know what the objective of my decision is, or what I'm trying to accomplish. In Petrie's case, employees equates to fans. As a result, I'm not so quick to jump to conclusions about things in the short term. However, it does give us something to talk about...

 

[Big Cuz 15]

because you can never tell what the heck he is talking about in an interview.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Because good GMs are hard to find and this is a case of taking what you have for granted.

If you want to nitpick, name me ANY GM in the league (even the immortal RC Buford) and I can rattle off a list of their mistakes or compile a list of the players they passed on in the draft who have done well in the NBA.

It's easy to criticize mistakes, but the NBA is a lot like poker, you make smart moves and you play the odds, but that does not guarentee you win every hand. Sometimes you get messed over on the river.

Overall, I think Petrie has done a great job and has us moving in the right direction, even if every single move has not been a "win."

 

[nbrans]

Not to mention the fact that Buford/Popovich made the incredibly stupid move to get rid of Luis Scola before the season when they have no competent bigs besides Duncan.

 

[chelle]

He made us relavent in the NBA.
He gave us a team to love.
He does not get involved in media garbage talk.
He has more "Hits" than "Misses."

 

[kingsfan101]

Petrie didn't win Executive of the Year twice for making bad moves. Or had some of you forgotten. And he works for the Maloofs who can make anything they want to happen but they keep their faith in Geoff and stay out of muddling.

Look back at the drafts and see if his picks ignored any gems taken later. I went back 5 years and who he picked has worked and there were an awful lot of players picked before King picks that have disappeared or still haven't panned out. Remember from 2006 back to 1999 the Kings picks were in the 20's.

Nope, he has done an excellent job and done the best possible with what was available without trading for the sake of trading.

OK. I am a big Petrie fan, and this thread is supposed to give him kudos. Also, I think his draft record is excellent, and no one will ever get all picks perfectly right. However, will just pick on this point slightly. In recent years he has passed on Monta Ellis and Paul Millsap. Earlier he drafted JW over Paul Pierce and Dirk.

Jury is still out on some of his recent picks (Quincy, Hawes), and we shall know over time.

 

[CruzDude]

Petrie didn't win Executive of the Year twice for making bad moves. Or had some of you forgotten. And he works for the Maloofs who can make anything they want to happen but they keep their faith in Geoff and stay out of muddling.

wait...whaaaaaa?

Petrie works for the Maloofs who can make happen anything as they have very deep pockets. But the Maloofs defer to Geoff (twice NBA Executive of the Year) all the time and don't muddle/mess around/micro-manage in the General Managers world like other owners do. Therefore they have their faith in GP for making the right moves, or not. Can't ask for more than that.

 

[Gary]

I'm not even posting int hat other thread.. Might as well keep it positive.

I am happy that Petrie signed Theus as coach (I know he wasn't our first choice, but turns out Theus was the RIGHT choice)

I am happy that Petrie drafted K-Mart who is top 5 talent in that draft year.

I am happy that Petrie drafted Francisco Garcia who is top 10 talent in that draft year.

I am happy that we traded Bibby for Williams+Expirings giving us mor flexibility to re-sign Beno.

I am happy Petrie signed Beno.

I am happy that Petrie signed Moore, because he is a good "character" guy, and if he can give us the energy he gives us off the bench as he has starting than we will be in a good place in a couple years.

I am happy that Petrie signed Salmons, because when he is on he is ON..

 

[Gary]

OK. I am a big Petrie fan, and this thread is supposed to give him kudos. Also, I think his draft record is excellent, and no one will ever get all picks perfectly right. However, will just pick on this point slightly. In recent years he has passed on Monta Ellis and Paul Millsap. Earlier he drafted JW over Paul Pierce and Dirk.

Jury is still out on some of his recent picks (Quincy, Hawes), and we shall know over time.

Don't think Quincy will work out, but Hawes probably will. The kid has a high BBall IQ, and is a great ball player at 19 years old. You never know.. Hawes might be the best center out of that draft and that's saying a lot with Oden drafted the same year.

Petrie drafted need when drafting JW. We had Anthony Johnson starting the year before... Plus we traded for Webber, and signed Divac. Pierce was a damn good player we missed, but JW was a good pick too.

 

[Warhawk]

because you can never tell what the heck he is talking about in an interview.

Agreed. I'm always looking for the next "finger at the moon comment" to come out of his mouth in an interview.

 

[ikillz0mbies]

The thing with Petrie is when it comes to deals, when he wants something, he WANTS something. He is not going to take a deal simply to get a player off a team, he makes sure he gets something in return. Take for example Artest, he could have made a deal with Denver, but they wouldn't give up Kleiza. Petrie wanted Kleiza and when he wasn't offered, Petrie moved on. There's a reason why Petrie still has a job with this team after all these years. Draft wise, yeah there's question marks, but look how they turned out. Kevin Martin is a prolific player and Garcia is just a beast off the bench and is a wonderful scorer. Why he wasn't in the 3 point shootout baffles me. As for FA signings, I would say hes done a great job. Picking up Salmons, which many fans opposed and Udrih who is a young guard that can shoot well, as well as rebound and make plays. So far, Petrie has done no wrong for this team. He has done the best he can with some risks and has payed off very nicely.

 

[Elise10]

Why he wasn't in the 3 point shootout baffles me.

Garcia got a knee to the back by former King Ronnie Price a couple games before the 3 point contest and probably would not have played if chosen anyway.