If Kings end up with 6th overall pick (most likely), what would you want GP to do?

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I can't remember the statistic, but we have the strongest chance of ending up with the 6th overall pick. It's like 38 percent likely, or something like that. Let's just pretend for the sake of argument, that we are in the 6th spot.


PRETEND THAT THESE PLAYERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DRAFTED:

Anthony Davis
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Thomas Robinson
Andre Drummond
Harrison Barnes



If you're Geoff, and all those players are off the board... what do you do ?
 
was about to post something similar. I Hope that we hold onto the 5th spot but who do we realistically have a chance of getting at the 5/6 spot that you would like us to take considering davis and mkg will be long gone ?

Barnes fills a need but a few feel his ceiling is a starting 3 and his inability to create is a major issue not that we require him to do so if we aim to build off reke and boogie
 
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Terrence Jones might seem like a reach, but he might be the most talented player left, and at the same time has the floor of a great role player.
He can be a Dominic Mcguire who can shoot (sounds bad but is really the ultimate role player), but could be an all star, the level of Antoine Walker minus the chucking.

Not a fan of trading down because if you can get a guy you want, then get him now. This team doesn't need a quantity of players anyway, they need the kind of talent at the top of the draft.
Trading it for a vet works, of course it depends on who you get. The Rockets trading Gay for Battier worked out well, if we can get a similar return (starter level talent) that would be fine, like Dudley if we can shed Outlaw or Salmons.
 
Just did the ESPN lottery mock 3 times. Got 2,3, and 3 with us picking up MKG twice and Thomas Robinson the other time. Draft cant come any sooner.
 
Well it is GPs time to shine and we know he can. Hes goota make up for last year but is there any magic left, thats the question ?

Will we go for a SF and fill a need or take the best player available. The duration we played small ball last year without an inclination to change styles really has me questioning our long term plans if we have any
 
I'd go with Perry Jones, put him at SF and hopefully he'll become a better version of Donte Green
 
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If we get the 6th pick and those players are gone, I would draft the PBA, maybe Beal, but only if I'm able to trade Thornton for a good SF before the draft. Maybe Gerald Wallace (but I believe he's opting out). I don't think we can get Batum with Thornton, they already have Matthews.

What do you think about that? Which SFs do you think we could get by trading Marcus?
 
If we end up with the 6th pick I'd be working the phones HARD to move up into the top 3. We have the perfect pieces to trade in a move-up scenario.

Thornton + 6th for MKG or Drummond /filler?. If the lottery team would rather have Thomas (it's a weak year for PG's) then I'd give them Thomas. Truth is, we have a glut of guards, so it won't hurt us all that much to overpay for the type of players we need. I'd try to package the pick and Jimmer first. Whatever works.

If the lottery teams want to stay were they are, go after Jones .... or trade down and go after Henson.
 
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I can't remember the statistic, but we have the strongest chance of ending up with the 6th overall pick. It's like 38 percent likely, or something like that. Let's just pretend for the sake of argument, that we are in the 6th spot.


PRETEND THAT THESE PLAYERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DRAFTED:

Anthony Davis
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Thomas Robinson
Andre Drummond
Harrison Barnes



If you're Geoff, and all those players are off the board... what do you do ?

Lamb or Beale, and you'd be happy that Drummond and Barnes went ahead of you.
 
Hard to say without having the results of the combine. The more info you have, the better the decision. However, the top players left are, Beal, J. Lamb, Henson, Ziller, T. Jones, P. Jones, Sullinger, and Rivers. Just below those guys is Ross, Taylor, Leonard, Q. Miller, Marshall, Harkless, Teague, and Moultrie. The dropoff between the two groups, isn't that big, and I wouldn't let the difference influence my choice to a large degree. And, to put the talent in a different prespective, about 80% of these guys would have been top 5 picks the year we drafted Never Nervous Pervis.

Our two biggest needs are at the SF position, and depth at either PF or Center. So I would narrow my choice down to SF's Miller, Taylor, Ross, P. Jones, and Harkless, or C/PF's, T. Jones, Sullinger, Leonard, Henson, Ziller, and Moultrie. In the first group, my choice is Taylor, who I could probably draft lower, and would try to trade down if thats my choice. In the second group my choice is either T. Jones, or Moultrie. Once again, if Moultrie, I would try to trade down.

If I decide to go BPA, then its either Beal or Lamb, and in this case, I would go with the player most ready, and that would be Lamb. Although, Beal may end up being the better player down the road.

Note: I seriously doubt that Barnes will go top 5. If were sitting at 6, then I firmly believe he'll be there. If you want to go high risk/high reward, then select P. Jones. He could be someone that wastes 4 years of your time and money, or he could be on the all star team in a couple of years. Pick your poison!
 
I remain intriqgued by Drummond until I hear he sucks in workouts (and I know your premise said he was gone). If he's there, I take him (again, assuming no sucking in workouts). Otherwise I am serious when I say we should give major consideratiuon to trading the pick. Another kid is not ideal for us anyway. A huge talent? Obviously you always take that. But if you are forced down inot the next tier, then look for the steady vet. Cousins and Reke alreayd ARE huge talents. We can't fail to get them support, and teaching another 2nd tier kid the NBA ropes for another season may not be the best way to go about supporting the main guys we alreayd have. We ned a shotblockign PF type, and a strong SF, hopefully defenisve, definitely not shot munching. We don't jsut need random "talent". We have lots of talent. Problem is it does not fit. Time to get some pieces that fit.
 
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Hard to say without having the results of the combine. The more info you have, the better the decision. However, the top players left are, Beal, J. Lamb, Henson, Ziller, T. Jones, P. Jones, Sullinger, and Rivers. Just below those guys is Ross, Taylor, Leonard, Q. Miller, Marshall, Harkless, Teague, and Moultrie. The dropoff between the two groups, isn't that big, and I wouldn't let the difference influence my choice to a large degree. And, to put the talent in a different prespective, about 80% of these guys would have been top 5 picks the year we drafted Never Nervous Pervis.

Our two biggest needs are at the SF position, and depth at either PF or Center. So I would narrow my choice down to SF's Miller, Taylor, Ross, P. Jones, and Harkless, or C/PF's, T. Jones, Sullinger, Leonard, Henson, Ziller, and Moultrie. In the first group, my choice is Taylor, who I could probably draft lower, and would try to trade down if thats my choice. In the second group my choice is either T. Jones, or Moultrie. Once again, if Moultrie, I would try to trade down.

If I decide to go BPA, then its either Beal or Lamb, and in this case, I would go with the player most ready, and that would be Lamb. Although, Beal may end up being the better player down the road.

Note: I seriously doubt that Barnes will go top 5. If were sitting at 6, then I firmly believe he'll be there. If you want to go high risk/high reward, then select P. Jones. He could be someone that wastes 4 years of your time and money, or he could be on the all star team in a couple of years. Pick your poison!

I thought T Jones was a SF?
 
Trade up or down. BPA at 6 is gonna be a guard, which we dont need. Might as well move down and get a roleplayer + extras.


6th (Sullinger maybe?) + MT could possible (this is a stretch) get us into the top 3. I'd do that to nab Robinson, who will shore us up at PF, and getting rid of MT will be addition by subtraction (Reke beast mode activate!).
 
I remain intriqgued by Drummond until I hear he sucks in workouts (and I know your premise said he was gone). If he's there, I take him (again, assuming no sucking in workouts). Otherwise I am serious when I say we should give major consideratiuon to trading the pick. Another kid is not ideal for us anyway. A huge talent? Obviously you always take that. But if you are forced down inot the next tier, then look for the steady vet. Cousins and Reke alreayd ARE huge talents. We can't fail to get them support, and teaching another 2nd tier kid the NBA ropes for another season may not be the best way to go about supporting the main guys we alreayd have. We ned a shotblockign PF type, and a strong SF, hopefully defenisve, definitely not shot munching. We don't jsut need random "talent". We have lots of talent. Problem is it does not fit. Time to get some pieces that fit.

That'd be a gutsy move and one I personally would totally applaud. As you say, we have lots of talent. We need to fill in around it, not add more competition for the same position to the mix.
 
I remain intriqgued by Drummond until I hear he sucks in workouts (and I know your premise said he was gone). If he's there, I take him (again, assuming no sucking in workouts). Otherwise I am serious when I say we should give major consideratiuon to trading the pick. Another kid is not ideal for us anyway. A huge talent? Obviously you always take that. But if you are forced down inot the next tier, then look for the steady vet. Cousins and Reke alreayd ARE huge talents. We can't fail to get them support, and teaching another 2nd tier kid the NBA ropes for another season may not be the best way to go about supporting the main guys we alreayd have. We ned a shotblockign PF type, and a strong SF, hopefully defenisve, definitely not shot munching. We don't jsut need random "talent". We have lots of talent. Problem is it does not fit. Time to get some pieces that fit.

I would agree with you if the talent dropoff was severe, but its not. Your going to get a good player, and one that does fit, at 6. And at a very reasonable price for 4 years. You won't get value for a 6th or 7th pick in the first round against the potential of that player in a trade. Unless you include the pick as a throw in. Last season I would have agreed with you, but not this season. Yes, we have talent on our team, but only a small part of it is starting talent, and some of our rotational players couldn't even play on some of the contenders. We have a 6'6" backup center. A PG in IT, who is talented, but very undersized, and starting. Cisco is, well Cisco. Not great, and not terrible. Greene is gone! Fredette may be talented, but he still has yet to prove anything yet.

My point is, picking at number 6, may well net us a player that is more talented than half the players we already have on the team. We shouldn't discard a player like that. We should be discarding some of the dead weight we have. Now having said that, if could aquire someone like Batum with that pick, then I'm on board. It was also reported today that Gerald Wallace is going to opt out of his last year. I know the Kings won't, but I would certainly make a run at him.

Also, Drummond will WOW them at the combine. He's a freak athlete. Now he might not WOW them in the interview process. But I have no doubt about his athletic ability.
 
I don't mind taking a chance on Drummond, depending on how workouts go, but if we don't get a top 3 pick, (Davis/MKG/Robinson), I think there's two options I consider before drafting in a lower range. Either package one of IT/MT, with the pick, and see if we can move up to #2, but even that I'd have to think about. Other option is packaging it with maybe one or more players, I'd probably start with MT, and see what kind of a vet we might be able to attract.

I'll mention again that those Iggy trade rumors surfaced again about a month ago. If Philly crashes out, even without DRose playing, then I strongly consider our pick + MT,who they can pare with Turner on the wings, for Iggy. Just an idea.
 
I think that if those 5 players I originally listed are gone, you gotta go with Bradley Beal if you stay in the 6th spot. The thing about it, is that I have a suspicion that somebody ahead of us is going to take Beal, and we should end up with Barnes, which I'm perfectly cool with. Drummond is the guy that scares me the most. Seems so raw and unproven. Certainly, his ceiling is Dwight Howard, but he could be a SUPER bust.

New Orleans has two No.1 picks in this draft. They could end up with the 10th pick on their 2nd pick. Here is what I would offer them:


We give them:

#6 overall
our 2nd round pick

We get:

#10 overall
future 1st round pick (top 7 protected)


We still walk away with Terrence Jones and eventually they will owe us a #1st round pick.
 
That is some interesting thinking. But, we have 3 rookies (Jimmer, Honeycutt, Whiteside (I know I know but he is still a rook to me)), Cuz as a 2nd yr guy, and Tyreke, Williams and Thornton are all 3rd yr guys. I'm wondering if adding yet another high draft position rookie is the way to solidify the team and get to the next level next year.

Packaging the Kings #5 position into a trade for a starting, defending SF might be a way to go, unless we of course we could package the #5 and one of our guys, maybe Greene???? for their #1? Well I can dream can't I?

Maybe trading the #5 slot in the draft for a lower spot and a decent player from one of the 3 teams who have 2 slots in the first round: Hornets 4 & 10, Blazers, 6 & 11 and Rockets 14 & 16. Its that time of year to get a bit crazy anyway.

Another thought. If we assume a starting lineup of Evans/Thomas/Williams/JT/Cuz with Thornton, Honeycutt, Jimmer, and Whiteside off a weak bench, why not get two first rounders in the 10-18 range that strengthen the bench right away and have abilities to break into starting line in 2-3 years?
 
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That is some interesting thinking. But, we have 3 rookies (Jimmer, Honeycutt, Whiteside (I know I know but he is still a rook to me)), Cuz as a 2nd yr guy, and Tyreke, Williams and Thornton are all 3rd yr guys. I'm wondering if adding yet another high draft position rookie is the way to solidify the team and get to the next level next year.

Packaging the Kings #5 position into a trade for a starting, defending SF might be a way to go, unless we of course we could package the #5 and one of our guys, maybe Greene???? for their #1? Well I can dream can't I?

Maybe trading the #5 slot in the draft for a lower spot and a decent player from one of the 3 teams who have 2 slots in the first round: Hornets 4 & 10, Blazers, 6 & 11 and Rockets 14 & 16. Its that time of year to get a bit crazy anyway.

Another thought. If we assume a starting lineup of Evans/Thomas/Williams/JT/Cuz with Thornton, Honeycutt, Jimmer, and Whiteside off a weak bench, why not get two first rounders in the 10-18 range that strengthen the bench right away and have abilities to break into starting line in 2-3 years?
If houston offered you lowry plus the 2 picks for our pick plus IT, would u do it?
 
If houston offered you lowry plus the 2 picks for our pick plus IT, would u do it?

This may very well be trading two starters to get one starter and two very good bench players. We already have a boatload of very good bench players. We need starters. In my way of thinking, any trade that involves taking back more volume than we give means we give up quality and in basketball, given only 5 people can be on the court at once, quality is far more important than quantity.
 
This may very well be trading two starters to get one starter and two very good bench players. We already have a boatload of very good bench players. We need starters. In my way of thinking, any trade that involves taking back more volume than we give means we give up quality and in basketball, given only 5 people can be on the court at once, quality is far more important than quantity.

what very good bench players do we have? honeycutt, jimmer, garcia, fish, hayes, greene, whiteside.. imo, IT is better suited to come off the bench. i'd say he's a bench player. if we did that trade.. jeff taylor will be available at one of the 2 houston picks. we'd be getting a veteran pg (lowry), mature senior "rookie" (jeff taylor) and another pick which we can take a gamble on a player with potential (quincy miller).

garcia and the fish would need to go to make room for the new SF's.
 
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Without a doubt or without hesitation I would take Kendall Marshall and then thank the Gods I have the opportunity to have this magnificent playmaker on our team.
 
If we end up with the 6th pick I'd be working the phones HARD to move up into the top 3. We have the perfect pieces to trade in a move-up scenario.

Thornton + 6th for MKG or Drummond /filler?. If the lottery team would rather have Thomas (it's a weak year for PG's) then I'd give them Thomas. Truth is, we have a glut of guards, so it won't hurt us all that much to overpay for the type of players we need. I'd try to package the pick and Jimmer first. Whatever works.

If the lottery teams want to stay were they are, go after Jones .... or trade down and go after Henson.

Drummond is going to be terrible. He's my bust of the lottery and usually I am not wrong on these things :D
 
what very good bench players do we have? honeycutt, jimmer, garcia, fish, hayes, greene, whiteside.. imo, IT is better suited to come off the bench. i'd say he's a bench player. if we did that trade.. jeff taylor will be available at one of the 2 houston picks. we'd be getting a veteran pg (lowry), mature senior "rookie" (jeff taylor) and another pick which we can take a gamble on a player with potential (quincy miller).

garcia and the fish would need to go to make room for the new SF's.

We have good bench players in JT, Salmons or any other SF that is used as a starter and IT. Unfortunately we need them as starters.
 
I really think Beal will end up going top 5. Washington and Cleveland will give him a long look as will any other team with a playmaker in place who needs a shooter to go along with him. Most likely picking 6th we're going to have a chance at either Drummond or Barnes and Petrie will surprise us and pick someone else.

Given the scenario where Davis, MKG, Robinson, Drummond, and Barnes are gone I would be choosing between Perry Jones and Bradley Beal and/or shopping the pick to someone who really wanted one of those two. Jones would fill that SF spot for us but it's hard to say right now how he fits into an NBA lineup. Beal forces Tyreke back to PG and Thornton to the bench most likely but we remain a guard dominated team. Neither one of them makes us significantly better in the short-term, but they're too talented to pass up.
 
Without a doubt or without hesitation I would take Kendall Marshall and then thank the Gods I have the opportunity to have this magnificent playmaker on our team.


If Petrie is in love with Marshall, I think that's fine, but please for the love of God trade back a bit before taking him. New Orleans is going to have two picks in the lottery, we could probably trade back with them. I'd think they be desperate to get two top 5 or top 6 guys, and would be willing to trade their second choice away (probably around 10th or 11th overall). We could give them our 2nd round pick as well (we don't need a ton of rookies right now), and end up with a top 7 protected future 1st round pick from them. Even in a worse case scenario in which Marshall has already been snagged, there will be a decent player for us at #10 or #11 that we can get.

Why would we want a future draft pick from the Hornets if we don't need any more rookies? well, eventually that pick will come in handy for us. Remember, we are going to be giving our 1st rounder to Cleveland at some point. The Hornets could have it Top 7 protected for say 3 or 4 years, but after that we get the pick regardless. Who knows how long the Hornets could suck... heh.


I'm not that high on Marshall, actually, but I'm just saying if he's GP's guy, that's fine, but trade back and get something else out of it, because taking Marshall at 5 overall or 6 overall is a bit unnecessary. He will still be there at 10, and if he isn't, it just means that somebody else slipped into our laps.
 
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