I live in the OC and close to Anaheim...

[Gary]

1) Anaheim and Orange County certainly are not LA. Are San Jose and Sacramento the same towns? And why wouldn't people down here be ok with it? Obviously we're not as physically attached to the team because we're not able to attend games regularly.

2) The city of Sacramento should look in the mirror when it comes to "failing as fans". The attendance has been really sad as of late. Sad part is, more people would probably be attending games if they had a new arena. And that's why we are where we are.

I knew you had an alterior motive being here.. Again.. We have 2 of the 5 best sellout streaks in the history of the NBA. I don't think the problem is with the Sacramento fans.

Also, we are not 30 miles from San Jose like you are to LA. You can lump us in with Stockton, and maybe Modesto though.

Another thing. I was too harsh to est.1999 so I changed my post a bit.

 

[Block Party]

The team has been sad as of late. Does anyone really think a bad team is not going to have bad attendance?

I agree they would probably still have bad attendance, but I don't see how it could be any worse with a shiny new arena.

 

[Gary]

I agree they would probably still have bad attendance, but I don't see how it could be any worse with a shiny new arena.

When the novelty wears off people will stop showing up.. That's just how people are in LA. Last to arrive, first to leave.. Prove me wrong and I will take it back..

Maloofs will probably sell anyway.. Their Casino is failing (economy) and when I went over the summer it was damn near empty even in the evening. Was worse off than the Luxor (and that place is a deserted garbage wasteland). At least that one is on the strip.

 

[Block Party]

Except for us people in Sacramento who couldn't care less if/when they leave.

I was referring to a new arena in Sacramento, Gary.

I realize you're going through a hard time right now and there's nothing I, or any of us, can do to help you deal with it.

 

[JB_kings]

Last year the Pacers finished 27th in league attendance. The city then gave the team 30 million dollars over 3 years and spent 3.5 million for improvments to Conseco Fieldhouse. So point one is that the Kings were bad like the Pacers and look what happened to their attendance in the middle of Hoosier country. The second point is that the city saw value in keeping an NBA team even though they have the NFL and Indy to claim. I'm still trying to understand why the city leaders didn't see that too.

 

[R1LOVER]

Something I think a lot of people are missing here on the OC deal or area and the fans, 95% of the people living in OC hate the LA Lakers and also hate LA period, it's a dump and they don't even go there unless they are forced too. OC is a different area and two hours away from LA... so there is no overlap in fans.

When you think of So Cal and the LA area it's easy to think it's all one big city, when in fact it's not.

 

[R1LOVER]

When the novelty wears off people will stop showing up.. That's just how people are in LA. Last to arrive, first to leave.. Prove me wrong and I will take it back..

Maloofs will probably sell anyway.. Their Casino is failing (economy) and when I went over the summer it was damn near empty even in the evening. Was worse off than the Luxor (and that place is a deserted garbage wasteland). At least that one is on the strip.

Gary that might be true in LA... but OC is not LA....

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

When the novelty wears off people will stop showing up.. That's just how people are in LA. Last to arrive, first to leave.. Prove me wrong and I will take it back..

Maloofs will probably sell anyway.. Their Casino is failing (economy) and when I went over the summer it was damn near empty even in the evening. Was worse off than the Luxor (and that place is a deserted garbage wasteland). At least that one is on the strip.

That's actually why I hate the Maloofs right now more than anything, that they won't sell. They clearly have no business running an NBA team with their crumbling financial empire. they're just hanging on to it because it's like a toy they don't want to get rid of. If they'd let some local investors take controlling interest in the team, they could stay. But they'd rather hang on on to it until they eventually go bankrupt even if it means eeking it out in Anaheim for a few more years.

 

[est.1999]

I knew you had an alterior motive being here.. Again.. We have 2 of the 5 best sellout streaks in the history of the NBA. I don't think the problem is with the Sacramento fans.

Also, we are not 30 miles from San Jose like you are to LA. You can lump us in with Stockton, and maybe Modesto though.

Another thing. I was too harsh to est.1999 so I changed my post a bit.

Ahhh man, so I didn't get to see the harsher post? Lol

 

[Block Party]

Something I think a lot of people are missing here on the OC deal or area and the fans, 95% of the people living in OC hate the LA Lakers and also hate LA period, it's a dump and they don't even go there unless they are forced too. OC is a different area and two hours away from LA... so there is no overlap in fans.

When you think of So Cal and the LA area it's easy to think it's all one big city, when in fact it's not.

THANK YOU! I absolutely LOATHE L.A. I guess what a lot of Sacramentans posting in this thread don't realize is that this thread is not meant to say OC is better than Sacramento. Just saying they'll be fine down there. People don't need to respond in this thread if it's going to make them upset.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Something I think a lot of people are missing here on the OC deal or area and the fans, 95% of the people living in OC hate the LA Lakers and also hate LA period, it's a dump and they don't even go there unless they are forced too. OC is a different area and two hours away from LA... so there is no overlap in fans.

When you think of So Cal and the LA area it's easy to think it's all one big city, when in fact it's not.

LOL that is complete nonsense and pulled straight out of your rear end. Heck, even in Sacramento 95% of people don't hate The Lakers.

 

[Block Party]

I think all of the people who are so upset about this happening in Sacramento right now should parade this weekend in front of ARCO arena and demand that the Maloofs keep the team here opposed to trying to get under the skin of some Kings fan in Orange County.

 

[Trueblood]

I got hammered yesterday, so split for a bit. I think this thread is good to hash things out between Kings fans up and down CA.

I'm not a native Californian. I have ties in both affected regions. If anyone wants to find me in Roseville, just come over to the corner of Woodcreek Oaks Blvd. and Baseline. At any rate,

1. I want the Kings to stay in Sacto.

2. For many Sac fans, the team represents the city, so of course they are going to be pissed if the team moves, and for these people, why would they follow the team that no longer represents their city? These fans are fans of their city first before the team. I am not sure how people do not understand this.

3. I think the So.Cal. Kings fans here have been supportive of the Kings staying in Sac, and have not demonstrated gross insensitivity to Sac fan. Usually when you have a relo like this, fans from the new city come in and engage in a flame war with fans from the old city. From what I can tell, that hasn't happened. At least not yet and hopefully it won't.

4. People like me and other out-of-area folks need to understand these people are pissed and some of them may feel a need to take it out on someone, anyone, and we are convenient targets here. Still, they are missing the mark.

5. I asked my wife, who is from the Sac area, if she would support the Kings in OC. She has no plans to do so.

6. My nephew in Roseville is pissed about this situation. He says "f*$& 'em" and that he "hates them". He is a 49er season ticket holder, so he isn't anti-sports.

7. Sac is taking a kick to the nutsack on this right now. They are going to vent and people are just going to have to accept that. In fact, I am sure some Sac-based poster will let me have it some more based just on this post.

8. We all have a right to be here as long as we aren't violating the TOS.

Good post. You make some very valid points.

I'm in a similar boat. Live in socal but want the Kings to stay in Sacramento. It bugs me that so many people can't look at things objectively. Not trying to sound all high and mighty but I've never once considered the convenience angle of being able to see the Kings just 30 miles from where I live. When I was thinking about this the other day, I kind of liked the idea of being able to watch NBA ball in an arena with great sightlines unlike Staples until I came to my senses and reminded myself that I'm just one guy and there are thousands of Sacramento natives who won't be watching ball in an arena with even better sightlines with the hopes of a brand new one down the line.

 

[R1LOVER]

LOL that is complete nonsense and pulled straight out of your rear end. Heck, even in Sacramento 95% of people don't hate The Lakers.

I have several friends in the OC and the south coast, 1 out of 10 are laker fans... most people in the higher income areas never set foot in the city of LA. Again most of us think it's all one area... it's really not.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I have several friends in the OC and the south coast, 1 out of 10 are laker fans... most people in the higher income areas never set foot in the city of LA. Again most of us think it's all one area... it's really not.

It terms of how markets are determined, it is all one area. It's a part of The Los Angeles metropolitan area just as Roseville and Placer county are part of The Sacramento metropolitan area. The Lakers are a team that has fans in every city. No way only 5% of folks in a city 30 miles away are Laker fans. It's just not plausible. Maybe your friends are not Laker fans, but they don't represent the three million people of Orange county. I have as many friends who are Laker fans as I do friends that are Kings fans but that doesn't mean that 50% of Sacramento are Laker fans.

 

[R1LOVER]

It terms of how markets are determined, it is all one area. It's a part of The Los Angeles metropolitan area just as Roseville and Placer county are part of The Sacramento metropolitan area. The Lakers are a team that has fans in every city. No way only 5% of folks in a city 30 miles away are Laker fans. It's just not plausible. Maybe your friends are not Laker fans, but they doesn't represent the three million people of Orange county. I have as many friends who are Laker fans as I do friends that are Kings fans but that doesn't mean that 50% of Sacramento are Laker fans.

Pick up the phone book in OC and start calling and make 100 random calls.... it would be interesting. On my 95% number... of course there isn't any data on this and it was a number in general... it could be 75% and it could be 95%... who knows but it was used as a number to enforce a point that the OC community in general are not large supporters of the lakers and LA.

I would be interested to learn how the NBA determines a market area though.... imo everything south of bakersfiled should not be considered the la market, there are too many people down there for one market.

 

[R1LOVER]

Just some interesting fact's

The entire state of Utah has a population of 2.7 mil (2009)

The OC has a population of 3.0 mil (2009)

LA County has a population of 9.8 mil (2009)

Sacramento County 1.9 mil (2009)

source census.gov

 

[AleksandarN]

Then why not be a dear and change that royals avatar. People thought the "here we stay" game jerseys were incredibly rude. If you lived in Sacramento you would have known that.

Why don't you be a dear and change that anti Maloof avatar.

 

[AleksandarN]

What was unbelievably classless, was a dude that showed up last night jumping around with a "Welcome to Anaheim" sign. He was soundly booed every time and a fan told him off. What a low-class jerk!

Welcome the team to Anaheim in your own da*n arena, when you actually have them in Anaheim. Don't come into our house and celebrate the Sacramento fans' loss. It hurt like he**. Thank goodness an usher came. I think he asked for the sign and when the guy wouldn't give it up he was escorted out, but I don't know for sure. I just cheered him being shown the door.

Yes I agree a complete ***.

 

[AleksandarN]

The Kings are not losing money... How many times do you have to hear this before you understand?

And like I said earlier.. Technically anythng you have a lein on isn't yours either although I am sure you probably call it yours, am I right? Your car, your house, your boat... I guess since I owe 8,000 on my car I can't technically call it my car either? The bank owns a sweet car that I drive, and the bank owns a sweet house I live in.

The Kings are OUR team.. If they leave they will cease to be OUR team. Quit making things worse with your idiotic statements.

Just because you disagree with his statements does not make them idiotic.

 

[BMiller52]

Just because you disagree with his statements does not make them idiotic.

It's stupid from the standpoint that you have people coming in here acting like it's no big deal that the team is moving and we shouldnt be mad, when we are getting our team ripped away from us. OF COURSE WE ARE MAD. 95% of us will never get to see them play in person again, and won't get to watch them on tv, they won't have the same name, they won't even negotiate with the Taylor/ICON group, and we can't do anything about it. THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING WRONG IF WE WEREN'T ANGRY.

 

[Mad D]

2001 2003 Hedo fans vs Peja fans

2004 2005 Webber fans vs Peja fans

2009 2010 Evans fans vs Rubio fans

2011 XXXX Sacramento natives vs non natives

Look at what happened to the population of the supporters from each camp.

 

[Gary]

It's stupid from the standpoint that you have people coming in here acting like it's no big deal that the team is moving and we shouldnt be mad, when we are getting our team ripped away from us. OF COURSE WE ARE MAD. 95% of us will never get to see them play in person again, and won't get to watch them on tv, they won't have the same name, they won't even negotiate with the Taylor/ICON group, and we can't do anything about it. THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING WRONG IF WE WEREN'T ANGRY.

I m not the greatest at putting my thoughts on the screen, but this is EXACLY how I feel. We are pissed off.. I will not follow the Kings when they move and now I get called a fair weather fan by people who will reap the benefits of the Kings moving? Double whammy. I can't even begin to fathom how pissed off I am at both the city of Sac, and the Magoofs for doing this.

Basically, unless you live here you don't understand. It's more than a team to us. It's a way of life, and it's going far away and being renamed to something else.

You don't move a team and expect everyone from that city to still want to be a happy go lucky fan.. It just doesn't happen.

On the other hand the people that are not vested in the city of Sacramento what-so-ever are a fan of the team, and don't care where they are, they will still watch..

Same would go for my beloved Bengals. If they move from Cincinnati I would still be a fan, but you can be damn sure the fans in Cincy would be hating on those Bengals for a long long time. Do you SoCal people finally get why we are mad? Can you understand why we wouldn't give a rats a$$ about the team when they leave?

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Not to single you out, as I have noticed this trend amongst several posters, but it seems as though there might be a misunderstanding. For all of you who have even hinted that the Maloofs are completely innocent, my questions are: Are you in fact a Maloof apologist? And, if so, why?

It's not about being a Maloof apologist. It's about not going out of your way to do anything, even a small thing, that might affect the Maloofs' decision in a negative way. That anti-Maloof avatar can be saved for if/when the team has committed to move. For now, fans should NOT be pushing them out the door. They should be fighting to keep them here. And part of that is not putting "nuke Maloof" avatars up. It's common sense.

 

[Superman]

It's not about being a Maloof apologist. It's about not going out of your way to do anything, even a small thing, that might affect the Maloofs' decision in a negative way. That anti-Maloof avatar can be saved for if/when the team has committed to move. For now, fans should NOT be pushing them out the door. They should be fighting to keep them here. And part of that is not putting "nuke Maloof" avatars up. It's common sense.

This is a good point. The Maloofs were considering not going to the game on Monday because of some of the anti-Maloof comments and such. It's a god thing they reconsidered, and I don't think an avatar on KF.com is going to make their minds up one way or the other, but there's still time to fight for the Kings to stay, rather than fight against the Maloofs.

At least for now.

 

[Ryan]

2001 2003 Hedo fans vs Peja fans

2004 2005 Webber fans vs Peja fans

2009 2010 Evans fans vs Rubio fans

2011 XXXX Sacramento natives vs non natives

Look at what happened to the population of the supporters from each camp.

Hahaha. Love this post! Let's not forget the Williams vs Bibby fans.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Hahaha. Love this post! Let's not forget the Williams vs Bibby fans.

Don't forget Sean Chen fans vs. the world!

 

[Superman]

I m not the greatest at putting my thoughts on the screen, but this is EXACLY how I feel. We are pissed off.. I will not follow the Kings when they move and now I get called a fair weather fan by people who will reap the benefits of the Kings moving? Double whammy. I can't even begin to fathom how pissed off I am at both the city of Sac, and the Magoofs for doing this.

Basically, unless you live here you don't understand. It's more than a team to us. It's a way of life, and it's going far away and being renamed to something else.

You don't move a team and expect everyone from that city to still want to be a happy go lucky fan.. It just doesn't happen.

On the other hand the people that are not vested in the city of Sacramento what-so-ever are a fan of the team, and don't care where they are, they will still watch..

Same would go for my beloved Bengals. If they move from Cincinnati I would still be a fan, but you can be damn sure the fans in Cincy would be hating on those Bengals for a long long time. Do you SoCal people finally get why we are mad? Can you understand why we wouldn't give a rats a$$ about the team when they leave?

I don't think you're a fair weather fan. I don't think you should be pressured into following the Kings no matter what. I was simply responding to the idea that the Kings -- as a team -- would be loathsome to Sacramento natives if they were to move, considering the circumstances. You pretty much made yourself clear, that no matter what, even if Arco is set for demolition, if the team leaves, you'll hate them forever. Doesn't matter whether they're leaving for a legitimate reason or a garbage reason. That's your right.

And you should be upset.

But no, I don't get why you wouldn't give a rat's *** about the team if they were to leave. Doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with how you feel. I just don't understand it.

 

[Superman]

Ok, maybe. But their ownership actually spent money on players. Their investment on the players didn't turn out well, but at least it showed a commitment by ownership to stay competitive. In Sac's case, it's like the Maloofs set us up for years by keeping us at the bottom of the payroll, only reducing ticket prices relatively recently, and then promising to spend after the new CBA w/o mentioning that they'll be spending that money while in another city.

We suffer through 17 win, 25 win, and other terrible seasons, and acquire awesome draft picks as a result for some other city to prosper through.

If someone doesn't want to put all the blame on the Maloofs, I'll humor the idea, but they're a huge part of this at the least; contrary to what Grant Napear has been saying these days.

For the most part, over the last decade, the Kings have had a higher payroll than the Pistons. It's only this last year that the Kings payroll has been among the bottom of the NBA. Spending money doesn't equate to having a good team. In fact, the problem with the Maloofs is that they spent money the wrong way, not that they weren't spending it at all. It's purely revisionist history to pretend that Kings ownership has been perpetually thrifty.

 

[Block Party]

Seriouslly, everyone who is in Sacramento who wants the team to stay - PARADE AROUND ARCO ARENA TOMORROW AT NOON. Call up everyone you know who is a Kings fan and see if they'll go with you. That might actually get something accomplished if you have enough people there.