I heard Memphis is trying to Trade Thabeet
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somebody on here had created a deal where we swapped Kevin and..Noc maybe? Or Thomas? For Iggy and Dalembert.
Swing Dalembert to Memphis instead, send Thabeet and Steven Hunter our way. Would come close to matching salary wise. Hunter is an ender. Memphis gets its veteran defender. We get Iggy and Thabeet.
Swing Dalembert to Memphis instead, send Thabeet and Steven Hunter our way. Would come close to matching salary wise. Hunter is an ender. Memphis gets its veteran defender. We get Iggy and Thabeet.
riiiiiiight..... I have seen a TON of his games and it seemed like when he went against prospects he would get dominated.. He is a good shotblocker, yes.. Probably because he's 7'3 and athletic.. But a good defender? no.. I can't believe people are still arguing for this waste of a pick. He put up defensive stats but whenever he went against anyone good he stunk it up.. If you don't believe me then look it up. Go watch a few of the notable games.. Then come back and tell me the same thing. College defensive player of the year was awarded to a guy that can't play a lick of D outside of blocking shots. It's happened before.
edit: forgot you liked the guy.. ouch..
My opinion... The dude sucks, and will continue to suck. Do I want him on the Kings? Helllllllll no.
edit: forgot you liked the guy.. ouch..
My opinion... The dude sucks, and will continue to suck. Do I want him on the Kings? Helllllllll no.
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Sorry man.. Those DPOY awards I kind of laughed off. I watched his game pretty closely in college because this board had been talking about him for a couple years.. He's just not that good man.
If he was a starter in the NBA I would suspect he would give us a 7'3 version of a Justin Williams type game without the rebounds. Maybe 6ppg 5rpg and 2bpg max as a 30mpg starter. He's weak, bites on fakes, no kind of offense whatsoever, creates too much tickytack contact WHILE getting pushed around, not a very good rebounder for his size.... I could go on.. IF we did trade for the guy it will be a few years before we even get a glimpse of his type of game. It's not something I am willing to sit through. I can imagine what this board will say about the guy if he came to Sac. He's not going to give you anything more than an extra body right now.. We already have one of those in Hilton Armstrong.. Another crap player that people wanted here.
If he was a starter in the NBA I would suspect he would give us a 7'3 version of a Justin Williams type game without the rebounds. Maybe 6ppg 5rpg and 2bpg max as a 30mpg starter. He's weak, bites on fakes, no kind of offense whatsoever, creates too much tickytack contact WHILE getting pushed around, not a very good rebounder for his size.... I could go on.. IF we did trade for the guy it will be a few years before we even get a glimpse of his type of game. It's not something I am willing to sit through. I can imagine what this board will say about the guy if he came to Sac. He's not going to give you anything more than an extra body right now.. We already have one of those in Hilton Armstrong.. Another crap player that people wanted here.
Thabeeth >> Hawes right now, sad to say
he barely gets minutes cuz of Zbo and Gasol..but he's been blocking shots and rebounding real well when given the chance
I agree @ bricklayer's assessment... the guy has a 15.5 PER. He needs seem time and looks lost/confused at times but he already has shown that he can rebound/block shots @ an NBA level..
he barely gets minutes cuz of Zbo and Gasol..but he's been blocking shots and rebounding real well when given the chance
I agree @ bricklayer's assessment... the guy has a 15.5 PER. He needs seem time and looks lost/confused at times but he already has shown that he can rebound/block shots @ an NBA level..
I was hoping they would overlook the stats vs. weak opponents when voting for dpoy. Meh.. It was the whole Hilton Armstrong for me all over again except this guy is 7'3, and imo didn't play as good of D in college as Armstrong did.. I still don't think he's a good man defender. Weak side, and help he does well enough but man on man he gets abused.
The best trade proposal I think.
I think it is a fair exchange for getting us out of the expensive contract of a weak, non-defending, pure scorer ( Martin ), and another big ( Armstrong ) who is no better than our current bigs.
Thabeet and Haddadi - both are very promising young centers who can lit Hawes' butt. Maybe Hawes will play like a man if he knows his over-hyped time is near its end. Or maybe, we could use him as a power forward at times? Maybe he could be better at 4 like Pau Gasol? Who knows?
And wow. We'll have 3 seven-footers ( Thabeet, Haddadi, Hawes ), and 2 6' 11" guys ( Thompson and Greene ) rotating at the 4 and 5. Now, the Lakers better watch out when Westphal is done developing and figuring out how to best use his bigs.
I think if we can get Thabeet and Haddadi, I can fairly say the rebuild is over. We just have to polish the talents we have.
I think it is a fair exchange for getting us out of the expensive contract of a weak, non-defending, pure scorer ( Martin ), and another big ( Armstrong ) who is no better than our current bigs.
Thabeet and Haddadi - both are very promising young centers who can lit Hawes' butt. Maybe Hawes will play like a man if he knows his over-hyped time is near its end. Or maybe, we could use him as a power forward at times? Maybe he could be better at 4 like Pau Gasol? Who knows?
And wow. We'll have 3 seven-footers ( Thabeet, Haddadi, Hawes ), and 2 6' 11" guys ( Thompson and Greene ) rotating at the 4 and 5. Now, the Lakers better watch out when Westphal is done developing and figuring out how to best use his bigs.
I think if we can get Thabeet and Haddadi, I can fairly say the rebuild is over. We just have to polish the talents we have.
Sometimes I wonder if some posters here are really knowledgeable about basketball, or just pretending to be smarter than all those professional coaches and talent scouts.
It just doesn't make sense to say that a player is not a good defender when one had surrendered to the fact that he is a good shot blocker. And include the fact that he was voted twice as DPOY by no less than the professional coaches in college, how can anyone still insists that Thabeet is not a good defender?
Now, please list some names of young promising centers who have better resume than Thabeet in College and tell us if it is probable to acquire them.
Are people in this board saying they had coached in College, or has done anything relevant in basketball more than those coaches?
It just doesn't make sense to say that a player is not a good defender when one had surrendered to the fact that he is a good shot blocker. And include the fact that he was voted twice as DPOY by no less than the professional coaches in college, how can anyone still insists that Thabeet is not a good defender?
Now, please list some names of young promising centers who have better resume than Thabeet in College and tell us if it is probable to acquire them.
Are people in this board saying they had coached in College, or has done anything relevant in basketball more than those coaches?
call me crazy, but Thabeet is special...you get get many people with that size/mobility/rebounding/shotblocking ability..
I do it:
Kings send: Omri Casspi, Hilton Armstrong
Grizz send: hasheem thabeet
this makes sense all around...
Grizz gets the young scorer/energy guy they've been looking for...
Thabeet's not a "bust" if you go back to the draft threads..it was generally agreed that he needed 2/3 years...
I do it:
Kings send: Omri Casspi, Hilton Armstrong
Grizz send: hasheem thabeet
this makes sense all around...
Grizz gets the young scorer/energy guy they've been looking for...
Thabeet's not a "bust" if you go back to the draft threads..it was generally agreed that he needed 2/3 years...
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Sometimes I wonder if some posters here are really knowledgeable about basketball, or just pretending to be smarter than all those professional coaches and talent scouts.
It just doesn't make sense to say that a player is not a good defender when one had surrendered to the fact that he is a good shot blocker. And include the fact that he was voted twice as DPOY by no less than the professional coaches in college, how can anyone still insists that Thabeet is not a good defender?
Now, please list some names of young promising centers who have better resume than Thabeet in College and tell us if it is probable to acquire them.
Are people in this board saying they had coached in College, or has done anything relevant in basketball more than those coaches?
It just doesn't make sense to say that a player is not a good defender when one had surrendered to the fact that he is a good shot blocker. And include the fact that he was voted twice as DPOY by no less than the professional coaches in college, how can anyone still insists that Thabeet is not a good defender?
Now, please list some names of young promising centers who have better resume than Thabeet in College and tell us if it is probable to acquire them.
Are people in this board saying they had coached in College, or has done anything relevant in basketball more than those coaches?
I am not sure if anyone even fits your criteria being as I have only heard rumors about Thabeet. Actually there were some about Hibbert a while back which I would take over Thabeet in a heartbeat... Hrmm... That's the only ones that were really mentioned so far this year to my recollection. I would take DeAndre Jordan too but not sure if his name has come up much.
Others I would take if available are Blair, Love, Mullens (this would make a good debate), Robin and Brook Lopez, and Speights.... These are just names off the top of my head. I am sure I am missing some. But I would definitely take any of the above over Thabeet. I'm telling you all.. He's minimum 3-4 years from even contributing if ever. No reason to even take a chance on him now.
He's not the droid you are looking for.
A beauty of a player like Thabeet is that he will never be understood in stats alone.
He brings elements to the game that do not go on the stat sheet. Players that might go in for an uncontested layup will change their minds. Players will attempt shots that are altered by Thabeet. Not blocked; but the shooting angle will be forced to change and there will be more misses. Perhaps stats that might be reflective are 'points in the paint' and opponents' shooting percentage.
Even though Thabeet has tons to work on, and years from now may turn out to be a disappointing #2 pick, he still is the kind of young player that we desperately need, and the kind of player that Petrie should be looking for.
He brings elements to the game that do not go on the stat sheet. Players that might go in for an uncontested layup will change their minds. Players will attempt shots that are altered by Thabeet. Not blocked; but the shooting angle will be forced to change and there will be more misses. Perhaps stats that might be reflective are 'points in the paint' and opponents' shooting percentage.
Even though Thabeet has tons to work on, and years from now may turn out to be a disappointing #2 pick, he still is the kind of young player that we desperately need, and the kind of player that Petrie should be looking for.
I've been without power for three days here in Ensenada, and when I come back I think I'm reliving the days up until the draft. So here's my two cents. I've probably seen Thabeet play at least 40 times in college. I said before the draft and I will stick to that assessment that he's not ready for the NBA. That he will be a long term project. For every good thing he does on defense, he will do something equally stupid on offense, and sometimes on defense. He is constantly out of position. He's not a good rebounder in the sense that he uses proper technique, but only in the sense that he's taller than everyone else. In other words, he gets all the balls that happen to bounce his way. He wasn't in college, and still isn't a good man on man defender. I saw him get beat by guys that were 5 or 6 inches shorter than him.
Right now he's a three second violation waiting to happen. In college he played goalie. He can't do that in the NBA. Even our own Hawes made him look bad by pulling him out away from the basket and then when he commited, he simply put the ball on the floor and went by him.
Now, having said all that. I think he has talent. It will take a couple of years to put it all together, but if he's dedicated he can become a pretty good player. I have no clue how dedicated he is, but if he is, I would love to take a flyer on him. But only if I can get him at a very reasonable price. And that price doesn't include Martin or Greene or any of our core players, developed or not. He was simply drafted too high. Thats not his fault, but they're not going to get 2 pick of the draft quality back for him. He's not worth it.
For those that don't have the patience to stick with Thompson or Hawes, your in for a longer wait with Thabeet..
Right now he's a three second violation waiting to happen. In college he played goalie. He can't do that in the NBA. Even our own Hawes made him look bad by pulling him out away from the basket and then when he commited, he simply put the ball on the floor and went by him.
Now, having said all that. I think he has talent. It will take a couple of years to put it all together, but if he's dedicated he can become a pretty good player. I have no clue how dedicated he is, but if he is, I would love to take a flyer on him. But only if I can get him at a very reasonable price. And that price doesn't include Martin or Greene or any of our core players, developed or not. He was simply drafted too high. Thats not his fault, but they're not going to get 2 pick of the draft quality back for him. He's not worth it.
For those that don't have the patience to stick with Thompson or Hawes, your in for a longer wait with Thabeet..
exactly my thought when i read all these people who want thabeet. people cant wait for hawes or jt to develop...cant even wait a couple months for evans and martin to mesh are ready to trade for thabeet, a project who everyone knows will take time to develop.
A project who is already "developed" enough to fill our biggest need. He blocks more shots in 10 minutes a night than any of our losers do in 30.
And waiting for things to develop is not a problem at this point as long as that enthusiasm is there on the team. In fact right now we are being scuttled by our ALREADY developed players. It is precisely the kids, and their potential which had excitemnt building. Adding another high upside guy, and one that does precisely what Westphal has been looking for our guys to do all season, is a flat out win. You get all your holes plugged wiht young talent you can actually at a certain point just sit back and wait, knowing that time is on your side and in a few years you are gong to be dangerous.