How would you rate Bibby's Defense.

[KP]

fisher, atkins, nash, lue, damon jones....... tierre brown.....

You beat me too it. All those except maybe Damon, If mike wasn't on the team we are a below .500 ball club period. So I'm not sure I care at this point. A better poll would be how do you rate the Kings Defense, I'd vote the same as I did for Bibby, as a team they are below average. At the most Bibby(or the team) is average on the Defensive end.

 

[AriesMar27]

I want to know who is courageous enough to come forward and say "I voted that Mike Bibby is a defensive stopper".

it was me, i felt sorry for the guy..... compared to nash and fisher he's the ron artest of point guards..... (best bill walton voice) shut 'em down little man, shut 'em down....

 

[Fillmoe]

you lose points on the walton reference..... LOL just kiddin. yah bibby could use some help on the defensive side of his game!

 

[AriesMar27]

i know that everyone hates walton thats why i did it.... hell, i cant even stand him and i like stephen a smith, chad ford and marc stein.... joking.

 

[GoGoGadget]

P.S. G3? Is that the first time you've used an avatar other than Angelina? Gave me quite a shock!

What can I say? I felt like a change.

 

[Packt]

The book is out on Bibby's defense and he is a point of attack for any team with a half talented guard.

But like others have said, the problem can be corrected/marginalized with a shot blocker/defensive presence manning the middle.

I also think he can be a little more attentive to his own man off the ball. If his man can beat him, why not play more deny defense. Once that person gives up the ball, don't let them touch the ball anymore.

 

[allrightythen]

The book is out on Bibby's defense and he is a point of attack for any team with a half talented guard.

But like others have said, the problem can be corrected/marginalized with a shot blocker/defensive presence manning the middle.

I also think he can be a little more attentive to his own man off the ball. If his man can beat him, why not play more deny defense. Once that person gives up the ball, don't let them touch the ball anymore.

If he's playing deny defense all night, his 40 minutes are going to seem like 80. Thats a lot of hard work for a guy who runs the offense.

Personally, my biggest issue with Bibby on the defensive end is the allowance of penetration. It makes it terribly difficult to defend a team when a decent passing point guard can take the ball down the lane. Even if he's not shooting the ball, someone has to help either leaving someone open on the perimeter or someone open underneath. I can't allow myself to say this without saying that I think Bibby has been the glue for this team this year and has got to be one of the top two or three PGs in the league this year overall.

 

[zeke04]

Bibby's defense sucks because his effort sucks. When the effort is there he blocks shots, moves his feet and makes the other point guard work for everything.

Bibby cares more about offense than defense so that's where his energy is.

 

[Packt]

If he's playing deny defense all night, his 40 minutes are going to seem like 80. Thats a lot of hard work for a guy who runs the offense.

Personally, my biggest issue with Bibby on the defensive end is the allowance of penetration. It makes it terribly difficult to defend a team when a decent passing point guard can take the ball down the lane. Even if he's not shooting the ball, someone has to help either leaving someone open on the perimeter or someone open underneath. I can't allow myself to say this without saying that I think Bibby has been the glue for this team this year and has got to be one of the top two or three PGs in the league this year overall.

I don't disagree at all, especially since Bibby has been running things even more with Webb and Christie gone and Miller out. But there are times where he is looking to help out, when he should focus in on his guy. Webber said something in the off-season about having "pride in yourself", and I think it can apply here; your own individual accomplishments might be more beneficial to the team than not.

Of course, I don't expect Bibby to play deny all game, especially against guards- who usually will handle the ball a lot in the first place- but if he can do it sporadically, maybe he can force opponents to go elsewhere.

A defensive presence in the paint should help with dribble penetration. Right now he has to allow a bit of space when defending and because of that he's not using his best asset. He has a solid build and he should use his strength to direct players instead of allowing players to move freely and get angles on him.

 

[allrightythen]

I don't disagree at all, especially since Bibby has been running things even more with Webb and Christie gone and Miller out. But there are times where he is looking to help out, when he should focus in on his guy. Webber said something in the off-season about having "pride in yourself", and I think it can apply here; your own individual accomplishments might be more beneficial to the team than not.

Of course, I don't expect Bibby to play deny all game, especially against guards, who usually will handle the ball a lot in the first place, but if he can do it sporadically, maybe he can force opponents to go elsewhere.

A defensive presence in the paint should help with dribble penetration. Right now he has to allow a bit of space when defending and because of that he's not using his best asset. He has a solid build and he should use his strength to direct players instead of allowing players to move freely and get angles on him.

If there is one person on the Kings team that I would trust to when to "turn it up" in any aspect of the game it would have to be Bibby. He hasn't been a stopper ever since I've been watching him, but he has come up with some very timely steals or blocks, or just good defense. Of course it depends on the match-up also with regards of how to play defense. I could care less when Rick Brunson has the ball, but I'd occasionaly want to keep it out of Nash's hands if at all possible. But like I said, I'd trust Bibby to know when to do that or when not to.

I have to disagree with how much of an effect a good interior defensive presence will have on penetration. It may cut down on the lay-ups, but a good point guard will find the open man, and thats what penetration creates, an open man. It may not be, and ususally isn't, the player creating the penetration getting the shot. Now if you have several great athletes out there manning the paint it will always be hard to get an easy shot, but the Kings don't have several great athletes to throw out there. Adelman has mentioned it several times that he doesn't think that the Kings interior defense is all that bad, he refers more to the problems with the guys on the perimeter. I guess I just assumed he was referring to opposing ballhandlers penetrating and getting either layups or wide open jump shots.

 

[Raci]

just simply terrible.I don't remmember when he play any defence in last couple of season.He didnt give any effort on any kind on defence and that pee me off.
Bad thing abouth that is that he doesent attempt to improve his defence,why?!

 

[bibbyweb]

I don't recall anyone genuflecting in worship of Mike Bibby's awesome defensive prowess.

I understand the frustration (though I don't seem to be quite so worked up about it) but ranting on his lack of defense just seems like preaching to the choir. He's not a great defender. Never has been. I see no indication that he ever will be.

Bibby doesn't play great defense, but that he can't play defense and never will is a totally wrong and unsubstantiated conclusion. He has shown on more than one occasions that if he really applies himself to defense he can be do it well. I suggest that you look up the Olympics qualifiers and as someone already mentioned, his defense against Nash during the playoffs of 02 before drawing grand conclusions.

 

[Ryle]

What, exactly, is the point of this thread?

I don't recall anyone genuflecting in worship of Mike Bibby's awesome defensive prowess.

I understand the frustration (though I don't seem to be quite so worked up about it) but ranting on his lack of defense just seems like preaching to the choir. He's not a great defender. Never has been. I see no indication that he ever will be.

He's tired right now. Lame excuse, I know, but its bound to happen when you spend a good deal of the season carrying the team on your back.

Well, 2 people have voted him as a defensive stopper/stud so obviously some people think he can play D. I think his D will pick up in the playoffs when he has some time off and games are spread out.

 

[Packt]

Bibby doesn't play great defense, but that he can't play defense and never will is a totally wrong and unsubstantiated conclusion. He has shown on more than one occasions that if he really applies himself to defense he can be do it well. I suggest that you look up the Olympics qualifiers and as someone already mentioned, his defense against Nash during the playoffs of 02 before drawing grand conclusions.

During the Olympic qualifiers, there were defensive presences in the paint. And during the 02' playoffs, Webber was still a shot blocker. Just having the presence in the middle changes how you can defend on the perimeter; it makes it easier by eliminating a lot of the indecisiveness. You don’t have to be as reactionary with the way you defend because opponents will be less likely to go into the paint in the first place.

 

[Bricklayer]

Well, 2 people have voted him as a defensive stopper/stud so obviously some people think he can play D. I think his D will pick up in the playoffs when he has some time off and games are spread out.

I can only assume those two people did so as a joke.

 

[G_M]

I can only assume those two people did so as a joke.

No, I do believe he is a stopper!

Sincerely,

Jason Williams

 

[Bartking]

No, I do believe he is a stopper!

Sincerely,

Jason Williams

Ha ha! Well, Mike IS an upgrade from J-Will...we went from 30th best PG defense to 29th!

Seriously though, how about at least putting a hand up when a guy shoots a 3? It can't be that tiring.

 

[VF21]

just simply terrible.I don't remmember when he play any defence in last couple of season.He didnt give any effort on any kind on defence and that pee me off.
Bad thing abouth that is that he doesent attempt to improve his defence,why?!

Hmmm. You're complaining because Bibby doesn't give any kind of effort... And you're questioning why he doesn't attempt to improve?

Okay, I'm just gonna stop now.

 

[kingfan4life]

i dont see why everyone thinks his defense is so bad. bibby is not a great defensive player, but he's not horrible either. in my opinion he's better defensively then alot of pg's in the nba. so sue me.

 

[Bibby_Is_Clutch]

Id say hes about average... he can play some good defense but can also make some mental mistakes defensively... leaning towards below average but ill give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[mcwong]

saying "terrible" would be too harsh for him IMO..

I mean if a mediocre player(offensively) plays at the same level as him at defence ,
no one would dare say "just terrible"
ppl expect a star player to be a star at both ends of the court

 

[Raci]

Hmmm. You're complaining because Bibby doesn't give any kind of effort... And you're questioning why he doesn't attempt to improve?

Okay, I'm just gonna stop now.

something like that ,his absence of desire.

 

[VF21]

OMG. I cannot believe this.

Of all the members on the team, to say that Bibby has an absence of desire is ludicrous. I hope you were kidding, because if you weren't you should be floating down a barge dressed as an Egyptian Queen.

You're on pretty thin ice. You seem really quick to toss insults at Mike Bibby, you've made several sharp barbs at Webber and I believe you've also attacked Bobby. Let's just hope you remember the name of this site is KINGSfans.com...

 

[buddahead_916]

"Floating down a barge dressed as an egyptian queen"------OUCH

If I had said that I'd be banned.

 

[VF21]

Why? It's a reference to Cleopatra and the Nile. You know, as in "DENIAL"?

 

[El Duque]

Gary who? Mike Bibby is a stopper and a pure defensive stud.

 

[SactoGreg]

Mike Bibby's defense?

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