How will the Kings use their cap space?

[uolj]

I looked through many of the threads, but haven't gotten a real good feel for what people expect the Kings to do with the cap space they got in the Martin deal.

Do people expect Petrie to go after Chris Bosh or some other max/near max free agent with Evans and young role players as the bait? Do they expect him to try to sign some mid-level guys to upgrade talent?

Does anybody think that a lot of this is cost cutting given the Maloofs financial issues, and that it's unlikely they'll spend much on free agency next year?

Or maybe something else? If anybody has seen any reports that indicate what they might be thinking that would be nice to see, too.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Hopefully we could have a shot at a top player, but I really doubt anyone of them would come here. Boozer or Stoudemire are the only ones that might and they are so wrong for what we're trying to accomplish.

 

[kennadog]

The Maloofs have said they'll spend the money, if the deal's right.

The only thing I know is they don't want to go over the luxury cap and have to pay luxury tax like they did for a couple of years around our peak years. That's a double financial loss, because you have to pay the tax and you don't get a share of the money distributed to the non-luxury tax teams.

Of course, we don't know what the new CBA will look like yet.

The cap room gives them 3 options: 1) signing a FA outright; 2) doing a sign and trade; or 3) doing a trade where we take back more salary than we send out (maybe our best shot?). We'd probably have to give up a lot for options 2 & 3, if we want a player of substance, one who can help this team to the next level. Maybe we'd happily give it up, too.

I think the Kings want to sign, or sign and trade, or trade for a very good to great player and I'd tend to think it would be for a big man who can really defend, block shots and rebound. We pretty much know what this team needs. An intimidating BIG man.

How old do we go? I'd like someone who could be expected [barring injury, of course] to still be playing well when our youngsters are getting to their prime.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

The Maloofs have said they'll spend the money, if the deal's right.

The only thing I know is they don't want to go over the luxury cap and have to pay luxury tax like they did for a couple of years around our peak years.

Well, for next year, at least, we don't have to worry about going over the luxury tax. You do that by using Bird rights to re-sign your own expensive free agents once you're already over the cap. Assuming we're not going to break the bank for Landry/Hawes/Thompson, no matter who we sign we shouldn't need to worry about the luxury tax until Evans' extension comes around.

 

[swisshh]

This might give us enough money for Joe Johnson, which is the ideal sort next to Tyreke in my opinion. If not that, you could pursue Boozer. Both are money guys, who will go somewhere if the cash is there. Dropping below that, I don't see a point to spent money on another 'support' type guy when most of the roster is already support type players. You need a second known name sort of player at this point.

 

[Hoovtrain]

This might give us enough money for Joe Johnson, which is the ideal sort next to Tyreke in my opinion. If not that, you could pursue Boozer. Both are money guys, who will go somewhere if the cash is there. Dropping below that, I don't see a point to spent money on another 'support' type guy when most of the roster is already support type players. You need a second known name sort of player at this point.

I was actually just thinking the same thing. If we were able to land a big man with our lottery pick I would be all for going after Joe Johnson. Everyone is always talking about getting the ideal fit next to Tyreke, well JJ is that player. He can handle to ball, shoot and would create a physcially dominant backcourt.

 

[Bricklayer]

This might give us enough money for Joe Johnson, which is the ideal sort next to Tyreke in my opinion. If not that, you could pursue Boozer. Both are money guys, who will go somewhere if the cash is there. Dropping below that, I don't see a point to spent money on another 'support' type guy when most of the roster is already support type players. You need a second known name sort of player at this point.

As much as JJ's ability to handle is an useful trait, the same problem would exist as existed with Kevin -- too many shots coming from the backcourt/not enoguh to go around.

Reke's only going to get better, more dominant on offense. This year he's a 20ppg scorer and already putting another 20ppg scorer next to him was not going to work, and as I have mentioned repeatedly, had basically NEVER worked in NBA history. Next year maybe he'll be a 22ppg scorer or a 23ppg scorer. In a few years it'll be 25ppg, maybe more. There just isn't room for another 22ppg scorer in the backcourt back there, and even if there were you'd have your whole cap tied up in your backcourt and wouldn't be able to field an elite level frontcourt.

 

[bajaden]

Well first I'd certainly take a wack at Chris Bosh. He has on occasion said he'd like to play in a warmer climate. The Maloof's are good at the wine and dine thing. He also stated that he really didn't want to go somewhere he would play second banana to someone else. He didn't name names, but I assuming he mean't going to play with LeBron or Wade etc. From what he said I think he wants to go somewhere, where he'll get the credit for being the man. A place that has enough talent for him to be the man. A place like Sacramento. The last part is my part.

We have enough money to presue him. I certainly think it worth a shot. After that, Joe Johnson would certainly be on my wish list, depending on who we get in the draft. If we were to draft a Turner or a Wesley Johnson, then I don't see the need for Joe. There are guys like Brandon Haywood that will be freeagents as well. Yeah, I know, everyone wants us to aquire a big defensive center. Someone want to start listing them. There's always Camby, who also is a freeagent. Its a short list folks.

 

[Sarunas]

Well first I'd certainly take a wack at Chris Bosh. He has on occasion said he'd like to play in a warmer climate. The Maloof's are good at the wine and dine thing. He also stated that he really didn't want to go somewhere he would play second banana to someone else. He didn't name names, but I assuming he mean't going to play with LeBron or Wade etc. From what he said I think he wants to go somewhere, where he'll get the credit for being the man. A place that has enough talent for him to be the man. A place like Sacramento. The last part is my part.

We have enough money to presue him. I certainly think it worth a shot. After that, Joe Johnson would certainly be on my wish list, depending on who we get in the draft. If we were to draft a Turner or a Wesley Johnson, then I don't see the need for Joe. There are guys like Brandon Haywood that will be freeagents as well. Yeah, I know, everyone wants us to aquire a big defensive center. Someone want to start listing them. There's always Camby, who also is a freeagent. Its a short list folks.

I agree with Haywood here. I feel like we are going to be one of the odd men out in the bidding for the big 5 FA's. I would honestly take Haywood (slightly overpaid) than go for someone like Amare or David Lee who would probably need to be sufficiently overpaid. Casspi/Landry/Haywood frontcourt would be very very nice in certain situations.

 

[Amory]

I've said it in other posts, but this is what I think.

They probably have a list of about 5 players they would offer a max contract to (Lebron, Bosh, Wade, etc) and if they don't take them then they would probably spend a little under that on a not as good player.

We don't need a bunch of "so-so" players because we already have them. We need another star to compliment Tyreke. A big guy star that can pass, rebound and play under the rim. Some people say that player is going to be Cousins and that we should draft him. I haven't watched him enough to know if that is so.

IMO, we should have made a run for Okafor. I don't know what we could have traded for him, but i really think he would have done awesome along side Tyreke.

 

[AleksandarN]

I wonder how much money the Kings are losing this year. If it is over 15 million I can not see the Maloofs making a big splash in FA market this coming year. I think there goal is to make the Kings profitable. So I think that will come first. Just look at cost cutting that they have been doing for the last year. Them folding the Monarchs is any indication then I think that there main goal is to save money or atleast break even and I do not know what the Kings salary would be to make that happen.

 

[Uncia03]

If we can't get one of:

LBL (Not realistic)
Wade (Not realistic)
Bosh
Johnson

Then I'd rather we keep the bulk of our capspace to be major players in either getting a big name by providing salary relief for another team or facilitating other team's trades using our capspace.

As long as we don't do what the Pistons just did by signing Gordan & Villanueva I'll be happy. We don't need 8-10 million dollar tier 3 players. We need either a star or defensive intimidating big man.

If we end up getting Wall/Turner/Wes Johnson then the only Major FA I want us to be targetting would be Bosh, as JJ would no longer be a good fit for us.

I would be fine going after Haywood, but only for a one-year deal, which would basically mean we won't get him. If we can't get our big man this year, then I'd like to heavily persue Perkins.
If Boston falls apart we could get Perkins in a trade or sign-and-trade, and I'd like to see us heavily pursue him as he is a FA next year.

 

[Bricklayer]

I wonder how much money the Kings are losing this year. If it is over 15 million I can not see the Maloofs making a big splash in FA market this coming year. I think there goal is to make the Kings profitable. So I think that will come first. Just look at cost cutting that they have been doing for the last year. Them folding the Monarchs is any indication then I think that there main goal is to save money or atleast break even and I do not know what the Kings salary would be to make that happen.

Raising revenues is another way to break even costwise, and a big splashy free agent move would be a great way to fill the ole arena back up, not to mention to get a shot at those bonus playoff dollars.

Donald Sterling is the only owner who thinks being cheap and terrible every year is the only way to stay in the black.

 

[BosnianBaller_]

well another season is lost so i hope the team keeps losing to get a better chance at higher positions in the draft. really i think that it depends on who we draft. if we get the second pick i believe we should take evan turner. if that happens then i think we really need to make a push for chris bosh for an interior force. with tyreke and turner in the backcourt bosh would give us sufficient scoring in the front court. if we get a lower pick then i really think they should take demarcus cousins. and if this happens then the only logical and realistic free agent signing would be joe johnson to pair with tyreke in the backcourt. obviously bosh would be preferred free agent signing but a joe johnson signing would be going in the right direction

 

[ParniValjak]

Raising revenues is another way to break even costwise, and a big splashy free agent move would be a great way to fill the ole arena back up, not to mention to get a shot at those bonus playoff dollars.

Donald Sterling is the only owner who thinks being cheap and terrible every year is the only way to stay in the black.

But one thing that rised a bit of an eyebrow from me was Joe Maloof's comment on KHTK the other day when asked about the trade and teh cap room.

He said they will spend the money if it makes sense BUT with the uncertainty of the new CBA and a good chance that there will be a lockout, its important to keep a close eye on teams salaries, not so much because of cap issues caused by the new CBA but because if there is a lockout, you are not getting any revenue but you still have to pay the players that are under the contract. So if you sign a gut to the max contract and you have all these other players under contract you could easily pony up $60 million for 2011-2012 season even if there is a season long lockout and there are no games that year.

Thats a faily hefty price tag for even the richest of owners. I suspect unless we are able to get a real perennial all-star (Bosh), we are not going to spend that money!

 

[Bricklayer]

But one thing that rised a bit of an eyebrow from me was Joe Maloof's comment on KHTK the other day when asked about the trade and teh cap room.

He said they will spend the money if it makes sense BUT with the uncertainty of the new CBA and a good chance that there will be a lockout, its important to keep a close eye on teams salaries, not so much because of cap issues caused by the new CBA but because if there is a lockout, you are not getting any revenue but you still have to pay the players that are under the contract. So if you sign a gut to the max contract and you have all these other players under contract you could easily pony up $60 million for 2011-2012 season even if there is a season long lockout and there are no games that year.

Thats a faily hefty price tag for even the richest of owners. I suspect unless we are able to get a real perennial all-star (Bosh), we are not going to spend that money!

I may be misreading that, but I think there is some confusion there.

If there is a lockout/strike, nobody gets paid until its resolved. That's the entire economic incentive which eventually caused the players to cave last time -- they weren't getting paid, and mortgages on 27 room mansions can be a *****.

Now I CAN and have foreseen a major issue with the owners trying to make such a dramatic change in the salary structure where you sign a guy to a max deal under this CBA, and then there is a new CBA setting much lower limits on max contracts, and so you have effectively badly overpaid for your guy. But that of course would apply to anybody tryign to sign a max guy this summer, and half the league is going to try to do it anyway. Hard to see us being the only one saying no. Sunds like the owners are trying to do the retroactive salary chop anyway on existing contracts, so maybe it won't matter anyway (I should note that that issue is one of those that cost the NHL its entire season a few years back -- its toxic).

 

[Sac.1989]

Very valid points made about JJ, we all know we need a big man but really its all about how we draft and what pick we get there. Cisco is fine next to reke for now but long term you'd say that needs to be sorted. Im going to say we'll look to rectify that through the draft where you can more or less mold young players into a system and solve our big man issues through FA

 

[Kings Fan Gerard]

If the Kings sign Chris Bosh, then I'll get my passport, my US visa, and hop on the next Philippine Airlines flight to Sacramento, California and get front row seats to the Kings home opener next season.

 

[Bricklayer]

Very valid points made about JJ, we all know we need a big man but really its all about how we draft and what pick we get there. Cisco is fine next to reke for now but long term you'd say that needs to be sorted. Im going to say we'll look to rectify that through the draft where you can more or less mold young players into a system and solve our big man issues through FA

Maybe it has to be sorted, maybe not.

One of the things that really struck me as I was doing the historical researach on 20ppg backcourt pairings was how basically they never happened -- and how when you have one superstar level backcourt player very often the mix everybody chooses is a blatant roleplayer at the other spot. Derek Fisher plays next to Kobe. Chalmers and friends next to Wade. UNtil this week Steve Blake next to Roy. Ghost of Peja/scrubs next to CP3. UNtil this wek Brewer or NBDL scrubs next to Deron. A BJ Armstrong or old Derek Harper next to MJ. A 14ppg Hersey Hawkins or 12ppg Brent Barry next to Gary Payton. Etc. I am not saying that Cisco necessarily is the longterm answer, but if you look at the history of major backcourt stars' backcourt mates, Cisco would fit in there pretty seamlessly. He's not the worst to ever occupy that position. Better than quite a few really. He may do all that needs to really be done there, and then you look to your frontcourt for the added firepower.

 

[Smills91]

Raising revenues is another way to break even costwise, and a big splashy free agent move would be a great way to fill the ole arena back up, not to mention to get a shot at those bonus playoff dollars.

Donald Sterling is the only owner who thinks being cheap and terrible every year is the only way to stay in the black.

He's in a different market than Sacramento....

 

[pupsingh]

Joe Johnson can play Small Forward. Put Joe Johnson at SF and Greene at SG and draft Cole Aldrich, dude is a great shotblocker and rebounder.

Evans
Greene
Johnson
Aldrich
landry

bench: Garcia, Beno, Casspi, Thompson, Hawes

that bench looks like a starting five from last year lol

 

[Spike]

I don't think Joe Johnson is a type of player we need. He's not a SF. To place him there "just because" would not be a good idea. I think any big money needs to be spent on a big, and anything left to spend should be some solid role players.