Hope come playoffs.

[Kingsgurl]

Yea, your right. We are a defensive FORCE now. Man, we are a rebounding freaking POWERHOUSE. No one can stop us.
BTW, aside from the debacle where Corliss had to play center because Skinner was out, how often do you see him there? Also, if a by product of the trade is the fact that we have to PLAY Corliss at Center, God Forbid, how, exactly does that make us an IMPROVED team again?

 

[OptimusRhyme]

You know what? This crap has gotten way beyond old.

If you cannot make your point without bringing the Webb hater label into the mix, then you obviously don't have a leg to stand on.

Yah Webb being gone is that leg that I stand on, and thats the blindness I'm talking about..

 

[VF21]

He has played backup centre for us at times, when we would normally with Miller in the lineup have Miller or Skinner playing that spot.. Have you not seen the last cuple games where Corliss has guarded their centre???

Yeah. okay.

Excuse me while I find someone who knows what they're talking about. Corliss stepped into the center role in extremely limited minutes when RA went small. That's it.

Corliss isn't a center. He doesn't traditionally play backup center. You, my friend, don't have a clue...

 

[Bricklayer]

"He isn't able to get many from the bench, which is where he is, for the rest of the season. You can't just assume that he would ADD, oh 8-10 rebounds to what we are currently getting, since he would be playing in PLACE of someone else who is currently getting rebounds."

So your saying playing Brad Miller on centre instead of Corliss wont get us more rebounds?

No, some of us have been watching the team all season and seen that:

Webb/Miller 19rebs in 74 min + Darius 5rebs in 20+min = we are a bad rebounding team.

Now, Thomas (or Skinner)/Miller 19rebs in 74 min + Darius/Skinner for 20+ is NOT going to solve our probelms. Let alone if we insist on playing Corliss as a PF too.

The primary problems are our OG/SF and Darius as a backup big man rebounder. Merely shaving 5-10min off of Darius' time (if that's even the way it plays out) isn't going to fix the issue.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Yea, your right. We are a defensive FORCE now. Man, we are a rebounding freaking POWERHOUSE. No one can stop us.
BTW, aside from the debacle where Corliss had to play center because Skinner was out, how often do you see him there? Also, if a by product of the trade is the fact that we have to PLAY Corliss at Center, God Forbid, how, exactly does that make us an IMPROVED team again?

THATS WHAT IM SAYING.. RA has played him at Centre numourous times this year, now with Brad Miller back in the lineup we will be able to give those REBOUNDING minutes to Skinner.... Whats so hard to see here?

 

[VF21]

Yah Webb being gone is that leg that I stand on, and thats the blindness I'm talking about..

When you make comments like the one above and comments like "precious Webber," etc. you expose your own bias.

Argue with yourself. I'm done.

 

[KP]

Agreed people can't accept that without there precious Webb we are a better team.

And no I'm not a Webb hater, he was my favourite player, but I geuss I am the only to see that we are a better team defensively and rebounding wise.

Optimus you can think they are going to be better when Brad and Bobby come back, but you can't say they are for sure because so far they haven't been. They are still getting killed in the paint every single game, getting outrebounded pretty much every single game and giving up a lot of points most games. Like Brick pointed out, Brad is going to hurt our interior Defense not help it. If we were killing teams on the boards (or even doing better) then I could see how you guys would be so sure, but we just are not. Thats the reality.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

No, some of us have been watching the team all season and seen that:

Webb/Miller 19rebs in 74 min + Darius 5rebs in 20+min = we are a bad rebounding team.

Now, Thomas (or Skinner)/Miller 19rebs in 74 min + Darius/Skinner for 20+ is NOT going to solve our probelms. Let alone if we insist on playing Corliss as a PF too.

The primary problems are our OG/SF and Darius as a backup big man rebounder. Merely shaving 5-10min off of Darius' time (if that's even the way it plays out) isn't going to fix the issue.

So we have not become a better rebounding team?

 

[KP]

So we have not become a better rebounding team?

No we haven't. Not yet anyways, reb differential is the same as it's always been(really bad).

 

[VF21]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING.. RA has played him at Centre numourous times this year, now with Brad Miller back in the lineup we will be able to give those REBOUNDING minutes to Skinner.... Whats so hard to see here?

OMG. I'm sorry but I can't resist.

Corliss has played at center NUMEROUS TIMES this year? You do realize he's only been on the team since Feb. 23, right? And you do realize Skinner has pretty much assumed the center duties since Miller has been out, right?

Just how many games do you actually watch? At times, we have had in actuality NO CENTER on the court.

Now, I have a play-by-play to do. Yep, I'm actually going to be watching the game.

 

[Bricklayer]

So we have not become a better rebounding team?

Not yet.

And at BEST, after getting healthy if Adelman uses a reboudning friendly lineup, we are marginally better at the backup big man position. That's best case. Assuming you shave Darius of 10 min and replace that time with 10min of Thomas, what is that? 0.4 more rebounds a game? Best case?

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Optimus you can think they are going to be better when Brad and Bobby come back, but you can't say they are for sure because so far they haven't been. They are still getting killed in the paint every single game, getting outrebounded pretty much every single game and giving up a lot of points most games. Like Brick pointed out, Brad is going to hurt our interior Defense not help it. If we were killing teams on the boards (or even doing better) then I could see how you guys would be so sure, but we just are not. Thats the reality.

I know what your saying but its going to be a difference on defence & rebounding from what stats we have seen from Miller in the past. When are we better defensively & rebounding wiseout of these too lineups. Skinner, Darius, Thomas opposed to Miller, Skinner, Thomas

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Not yet.

And at BEST, after getting healthy if Adelman uses a reboudning friendly lineup, we are marginally better at the backup big man position. That's best case. Assuming you shave Darius of 10 min and replace that time with 10min of Thomas, what is that? 0.4 more rebounds a game? Best case?

Thomas is a much better rebounder then Darius not just Marginall, if you look at last year Thomas's stats when hes comfortable in a system he can put up over ten boards a game.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Ok I have said my opinion im done trying to defend my point to a million people, I wanna sit back and enjoy the game now... THANK YOU

 

[Kingsgurl]

I hope Corliss doesn't have to play Center.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

When you make comments like the one above and comments like "precious Webber," etc. you expose your own bias.

Argue with yourself. I'm done.

I was not trying to argue, I'm just trying to say my opinion for the topic at hand, and trying to make people understand from my point of view.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

I hope Corliss doesn't have to play Center.

Me too, and the problem is he has had to the last ten games at times.

 

[Kingsgurl]

Nothing good can come of that, but hey, it makes a dandy excuse.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Yeah. okay.

Excuse me while I find someone who knows what they're talking about. Corliss stepped into the center role in extremely limited minutes when RA went small. That's it.

Corliss isn't a center. He doesn't traditionally play backup center. You, my friend, don't have a clue...

I KNOW HES NOT A CENTRE BUT HE HAS PLAYED CENTRE AND POWER FORWARD FOR US. When he should only be playing SF.

 

[mikebibby1034]

^ We have also missed our teams leading rebounder since the trade, that could be a reason why our rebounding statistics do not bear out.

they may not bear out now, but i personally think they will eventually

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

 

[mikebibby1034]

Agreed people can't accept that without there precious Webb we are a better team.

And no I'm not a Webb hater, he was my favourite player, but I geuss I am the only to see that we are a better team defensively and rebounding wise.

i agree with you a 100%, and just because ppl think we are a better team without webber doesnt mean that were "webber haters", it is just a fact that we or i believe

 

[VF21]

mikebibby1034 - It isn't about being a better team without Webber. It's about whether or not THE CURRENT team is championship-caliber. Unfortunately a couple of people are ALWAYS going to make it about Webber.

You haven't been here long enough to understand about the WEbber homer/hater discussion.

 

[mikebibby1034]

okay this thread to me has gotten a little out of hand becuase everyone either agrees with us being a better team now then we were before or they dont. i myself think we are a better team now, ever if the stats dont prove it. and yes i agree you can prove me wrong with using the stats but personally i could care less about the stats right now, becuase i believe over time we will be a better team. i guess we will just have to wait and see, plus who knows what could happen during the off season or whatever, so lets just wait and see.

 

[mikebibby1034]

mikebibby1034 - It isn't about being a better team without Webber. It's about whether or not THE CURRENT team is championship-caliber. Unfortunately a couple of people are ALWAYS going to make it about Webber.

You haven't been here long enough to understand about the WEbber homer/hater discussion.

and your maybe right, but by reading about everything you guys are talking about, i think it does have to do a lot with webber becuase if it didnt why does his name always end up in the conversation. the true question is this kings team a better team with or without webber, you have some ppl think we are a better team and some ppl think we arnt a better team, and im not trying to get into this aruguement but serisouly i think thats really the question everyone alwyas argues about or where the arguement always leads to. you know i have been in this arguement b4, lol, i am still just stating my opionion.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

and your maybe right, but by reading about everything you guys are talking about, i think it does have to do a lot with webber becuase if it didnt why does his name always end up in the conversation...

Why don't you ask the person who brought his name up?

 

[mikebibby1034]

Why don't you ask the person who brought his name up?

i think they know it was directed at them, i dont need to ask them. plus its not always them doing it EVERYONE ends up bringing webber into the conversation, and idk about everyone else, but its getting old. webber is gone weather ppl want him to be gone or not he is, so lets just stop argueing about it becuase its never going to end beucase some ppl like the fact that hes gone and some dont, hes gone there nothing we can do about it.

 

[VF21]

i think they know it was directed at them, i dont need to ask them. plus its not always them doing it EVERYONE ends up bringing webber into the conversation, and idk about everyone else, but its getting old. webber is gone weather ppl want him to be gone or not he is, so lets just stop argueing about it becuase its never going to end beucase some ppl like the fact that hes gone and some dont, hes gone there nothing we can do about it.

WHAT is your point exactly? You keep arguing the same tired point without any relevance to the topic at hand. None of the "Webber homers" brought him up and he is NOT germane to this thread. Why can't you just quit preaching to people and let the thread get back to the original topic?

 

[mikebibby1034]

WHAT is your point exactly? You keep arguing the same tired point without any relevance to the topic at hand. None of the "Webber homers" brought him up and he is NOT germane to this thread. Why can't you just quit preaching to people and let the thread get back to the original topic?

okay so i guess i was the one who brought up webbers name, okay so since i read the whole thread b4 i posted anything, i must have read wrong becuase i thought i had seen webbers named metioned a lot of times, but i guess i was wrong.

 

[VF21]

Farewell, poor little thread. You made a valiant attempt at life but, unfortunately, it was not to be...

And another legitimate conversation has gone the way of so many before it.

Buh-bye, little thread.