[Game] Hawks @ Kings 03/11/2012
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Ugh. THIS IS WHAT I GET FOR BELIEVING IN THE PROPHECY!
Did we just expect to walk all over one of the better teams in the east after toying with the Mavs? Maybe. Can't say the substituions were terrible- they've been irrational all season. Well, you can't win 'em all. Hopefully we bounce back next game. And coach? No more miniball. Please.
Did we just expect to walk all over one of the better teams in the east after toying with the Mavs? Maybe. Can't say the substituions were terrible- they've been irrational all season. Well, you can't win 'em all. Hopefully we bounce back next game. And coach? No more miniball. Please.
YES.
Getting rather tired of "oh Tyreke is a ball stopper" nonsense. he was the only bleeping King setting anybody up all night. Take that back, Jimmer had a few in the 2nd quarter. Reke had 7 asssists, The entire rest of the starting linuep had 2, both of those coming from Cousins who of course threw twice as many away.
Getting rather tired of "oh Tyreke is a ball stopper" nonsense. he was the only bleeping King setting anybody up all night. Take that back, Jimmer had a few in the 2nd quarter. Reke had 7 asssists, The entire rest of the starting linuep had 2, both of those coming from Cousins who of course threw twice as many away.
evans moved the ball pretty well tonight, but he played a poor game overall. he's clearly battling against his newly anointed SF position. he's uncomfortable and it shows. every single game demarcus cousins adds to the argument that he is the kings' clear-cut best player. but evans remains the second best player on the team, and his coach ain't doing him any favors by keeping him away from either guard position, where he would be much more likely to succeed...
in other news, the hawks were without al horford, demarcus cousins pulled down 12 rebounds, and the kings still got outrebounded by 9 overall. oh, and though he started, jason thompson only played 17 minutes tonight...
smallball needs to go. it really does. its holding this team back. they're not a playoff team without a couple solid additions and a more traditional rotation, but, as it stands now, they can still learn some things, and build some momentum heading into the offseason. the solid individual efforts and the occasional win seem to occur in spite of keith smart's game plan. i grant that smart has had a much more positive effect on this team than westphal did. they're moving the ball better as a team, and cousins in particular has really broken out since westphal was canned. but i can't abide smallball except in doses. it eliminates the few advantages that the kings actually have as a team...
in other news, the hawks were without al horford, demarcus cousins pulled down 12 rebounds, and the kings still got outrebounded by 9 overall. oh, and though he started, jason thompson only played 17 minutes tonight...
smallball needs to go. it really does. its holding this team back. they're not a playoff team without a couple solid additions and a more traditional rotation, but, as it stands now, they can still learn some things, and build some momentum heading into the offseason. the solid individual efforts and the occasional win seem to occur in spite of keith smart's game plan. i grant that smart has had a much more positive effect on this team than westphal did. they're moving the ball better as a team, and cousins in particular has really broken out since westphal was canned. but i can't abide smallball except in doses. it eliminates the few advantages that the kings actually have as a team...
evans moved the ball pretty well tonight, but he played a poor game overall. he's clearly battling against his newly anointed SF position. he's uncomfortable and it shows. every single game demarcus cousins adds to the argument that he is the kings' clear-cut best player. but evans remains the second best player on the team, and his coach ain't doing him any favors by keeping him away from either guard position, where he would be much more likely to succeed...
in other news, the hawks were without al horford, demarcus cousins pulled down 12 rebounds, and the kings still got outrebounded by 9 overall. oh, and though he started, jason thompson only played 17 minutes tonight...
smallball needs to go. it really does. its holding this team back. they're not a playoff team without a couple solid additions and a more traditional rotation, but, as it stands now, they can still learn some things, and build some momentum heading into the offseason. the solid individual efforts and the occasional win seem to occur in spite of keith smart's game plan. i grant that smart has had a much more positive effect on this team than westphal did. they're moving the ball better as a team, and cousins in particular has really broken out since westphal was canned. but i can't abide smallball except in doses. it eliminates the few advantages that the kings actually have as a team...
in other news, the hawks were without al horford, demarcus cousins pulled down 12 rebounds, and the kings still got outrebounded by 9 overall. oh, and though he started, jason thompson only played 17 minutes tonight...
smallball needs to go. it really does. its holding this team back. they're not a playoff team without a couple solid additions and a more traditional rotation, but, as it stands now, they can still learn some things, and build some momentum heading into the offseason. the solid individual efforts and the occasional win seem to occur in spite of keith smart's game plan. i grant that smart has had a much more positive effect on this team than westphal did. they're moving the ball better as a team, and cousins in particular has really broken out since westphal was canned. but i can't abide smallball except in doses. it eliminates the few advantages that the kings actually have as a team...
So Reke sits there, while Cisco and Jimmer get ample opportunity in the guard rotation. Sorry, not a winning strategy. Not at all.
Aside from that, IT isn't playing well on either side of the ball. I really don't think he's playing well enough at all to move Reke to SF. But that's where we are. reke was mved to SF in favor of IT, who's not passing, looking too much for his shot, and getting burned by just average PG'son defense.
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I'm tempted to start calling for BOTH IT and Thornton to be sent to the bench. 0 assists 6 turnovers between the two of them, and that still doesn't tell the story of how selfishly both played while getting destroyed defensively. Jimmer and Salmons may not be perfect players but they are unselfish, would keep Tyreke from playing out of position, and actually both have been playing better defense than IT and Thornton. Which is saying a lot seeing as how its Jimmer who for the first time in his life is actually being asked to play defense.
Let IT and Thornton bomb away from the bench next to Garcia/Greene/Hayes, all of whom are unselfish, good defenders, and don't look for their own shot. Enough smallball!
Let IT and Thornton bomb away from the bench next to Garcia/Greene/Hayes, all of whom are unselfish, good defenders, and don't look for their own shot. Enough smallball!
The bench was outplaying most of the starters. The 1st and 3rd quarter were Cousins and nobody else. Honestly, the bench should have come in during the 3rd to stop the starters from giving Atlanta a double digit lead. The team defense by the starters has been horrible for quite a few games now. The starters also have more ball stoppers. It might be time for Smart to tweak the starting lineup again. IT has gotten the me-ball bug. If he was continually pushing the ball, I think it would help the starters a bit.
The truth is if Evans can't play on the wing then the problem is him. He needs to learn how to and how to play in a way that is conducive to winning. No more Rekeball, it's time to start seeing steps being made forward as a team.
The truth is if Evans can't play on the wing then the problem is him. He needs to learn how to and how to play in a way that is conducive to winning. No more Rekeball, it's time to start seeing steps being made forward as a team.
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Indeed. Coudln't possibly be he is being played out of positon. Much like Durant not being able to play SG or Ben Wallace being tried out as a guard when he was young. Nope, not that the coaches were idiots and played them at positions not suited to their skillsets/physical attributes, it was on the players for not beign able to play all of 1-5 with equal facility.
Indeed. Coudln't possibly be he is being played out of positon. Much like Durant not being able to play SG or Ben Wallace being tried out as a guard when he was young. Nope, not that the coaches were idiots and played them at positions not suited to their skillsets/physical attributes, it was on the players for not beign able to play all of 1-5 with equal facility.
He's a guard.
You can put him at "PG", but only if there is a second passer at either SG or SF.
You can put him at "SG" but only with a PG who's able to function without the ball, because you need it to be in Reke's and Cousin's hands. This is a well known formula to anyone who's ever watched Wade/Roy/Kobe etc. function.
Now, because of the existence of Thornton, there is a problem. Thornton is a pure SG, too small to play SF, way too selfish etc. to play PG. So unless you send him to the bench, the only available guard spot for Reke is PG. And Thornton is certainly not that second passer in the Reke as PG scenario. So then you are stuck looking for a SF who can pass and help. Which is actually what we tried to do with Salmons despite how dumb that looks now, and with AK47, who is very underrated passer as a SF. Other options are tough to find/acquire. Igoudala could do it, but he can't shoot either and so is a poor fit that way. LeBron is, last time I checked, unavailable and moderately ball dominant. This is our difficulty. But difficulty or not it does not make it the players' fault when HE is the guy moved out of positon to try to accomodate the roster. If Thornton was moved to SF and struggled, it would not be his fault either. Nor if Boogie is moved to the point.
You can put him at "PG", but only if there is a second passer at either SG or SF.
You can put him at "SG" but only with a PG who's able to function without the ball, because you need it to be in Reke's and Cousin's hands. This is a well known formula to anyone who's ever watched Wade/Roy/Kobe etc. function.
Now, because of the existence of Thornton, there is a problem. Thornton is a pure SG, too small to play SF, way too selfish etc. to play PG. So unless you send him to the bench, the only available guard spot for Reke is PG. And Thornton is certainly not that second passer in the Reke as PG scenario. So then you are stuck looking for a SF who can pass and help. Which is actually what we tried to do with Salmons despite how dumb that looks now, and with AK47, who is very underrated passer as a SF. Other options are tough to find/acquire. Igoudala could do it, but he can't shoot either and so is a poor fit that way. LeBron is, last time I checked, unavailable and moderately ball dominant. This is our difficulty. But difficulty or not it does not make it the players' fault when HE is the guy moved out of positon to try to accomodate the roster. If Thornton was moved to SF and struggled, it would not be his fault either. Nor if Boogie is moved to the point.
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