Tha King Of Sacramento
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fredette plays = Kings loose
fredette 3 DNP = Kings 3 game win streak.
fredette 3 DNP = Kings 3 game win streak.
[Grades] Grades v. Wolves 2/7/12
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Dime Dropper
All-Star
Considering that we're in much greater need of a shotblocker than we are a ground bound, undersized PF, I stand by my comment that Dally was/is a better fit on the court. I agree that Chuck is a better mentor off the court. Offensively, there is no way Chuck is superior. Perhaps he only shot last year when he had an open lay up, but that hasn't been the case in some games this year. I'm not complaining about Chuck, just putting things into perspective. I couldn't care less about those statistics (which, BTW, are much closer than you're letting on offensively). The team would be better with someone who can protect the rim and neutralise other teams biggest threat in the frontcourt. Hayes can only do a little of that. Again, this isn't really about Chuck. But Dalembert is a superior player.
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Kings Faithful
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This is stupid. Fredette was the only reason we even had a chance at the end.
RookieOfTheDay
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He was only DNP in two of those.
Kings Faithful
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It's not a bad thing....but compared to big threes of other above .500 teams i would say its lacking. For instance a big three of Evans, Thorton, and Cousins sounds better than a Lowry, Scola, and Martin to me. That being said they deserve credit for winning games.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
That's really a very silly position to take and defies everything we know about NBA basketball. Not to mention everything the rest of the NBA knows about NBA basketball. There were no contenders lined up to make Hayes their starting center even at the MLE level. Why? It doesn't work. Too short, too incompetent offensively. There were a number who would have gladly taken Dalembert at that level. His problem was that he was greedy (and after seeing what DeAndre Jordan made, maybe he should have been).
Its also of course blatantly disingenuous as last year Dalembert started the season hurt and got off to a bad offensive start competely out of line with his entire history. He's a 51-52% shooter year in and year out, and does that doing things on offense Hayes cannot ever hope to. he's got a facing jumper, a post game, the ability to finish alley oops and lobs with dunks. Its like claiming Tyson Chandler is a better offensive player than DeMarcus Cousins. More efficient? Sure. Better? Not remotely. Hitting a couple of layups on garbage and in Chandler's case an alley oop or two a game does not make you a good offensive player. Just one who plays within your limitations. If Chuck played within his offensive limitations he would have zero shot attempts a game.
And BTW when a defensive center is "only" better at shotblocking and rebounding, not to mention being taller than his PG, over another defensive center, he's pretty much just better.
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lol, who's being subjective now? I just provided evidence that when healthy, Chuck has proven to be better than Dally (you're nuts if you think he's close to 100% now) and yet you don't care about statistics?
Kings Faithful
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Well said. We miss that presence big time.
Because Dally had so many teams lining up to sign him right? Oh wait.
I love the hypocrisy that Dally gets a pass for "being hurt and getting off to a bad offensive start" when that's exactly what has happened to Hayes thus far this year. I call utter bull**** on what Dally can do offensively. He has no offensive game! The guy is an average NBA Center with 0 offensive game and an incredibly low bball IQ. There's no way in hell, i'd pay him more than Chuck
RookieOfTheDay
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You're always talking about sample size, so it's odd that you cherry pick Hayes' best year and pit it against Dalembert's worst year. Over their Careers Dalembert is better in every single category except assists and steals. Dalembert is a better rebounder, better scorer, and better shotblocker. I'm not taking sides here, I wish they Kings had of signed them both, but your argument that Hayes is the better player holds no water.
11 posts. I smell a Yewt fan.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Very subjective! Want to compare them over their respective careers or does that blow your argument out of the water too much?!
I'm only talking about last year.
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How does that make any sense whatsoever? Dally isn't the same player he was 4 years ago and neither is Chuck. Comparing careers and comparing the present day players are two totally different things
RookieOfTheDay
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I know. I just don't see what that's supposed to prove though. Careers stats are much more important.
How? Players skills evolve or digress as they get older. That's like saying Kobe is better than D-Wade right now because Kobe has had the better career. Using the previous 1-2 years gives a much greater indication of a player than using the entire career
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Daly has better career stats, and also presently has better stats as well. If you want to talk about present day, why are you holding up stats ending last April, ten months ago?
2 reasons:
1. Chuck's been hurt a majority of the year
2. Sample size isn't large enough
RookieOfTheDay
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Dalembert is 30 and Hayes 28. Not quite old enough to say that one is on the decline and the other on the rise. But even at that, Hayes was only "better" last year if you look only as field goal % and assists. Dalembert was still the better rebounder, free throw shooter, and shot blocker.
RookieOfTheDay
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Thunder just beat the Warriors. That's good. I'd always rather play a good team when they're coming off a win than when they're coming off a loss.
But we went 9 and 8 for the last 17 games.
This entire argument is just stupid. When talking about valuable bigs, Dally is a better player than chuck hayes, period. If you have to pick a bunch on non-big stats from one season to try and prove otherwise, you're reaching.
Now, i like chuck as a hard worker/leader but the facts are that even when healthy, he's offesnsively challenged, short and not a great team defender. Continued arguments to the contrary are getting old. And yes, i get it that the dally ship has sailed. It doesnt change the facts about the two players that keep getting compared to each other. Frankly, it isnt fair to hayes. He shouldnt even be compared to dally but unfortunately, our front office forced that issue.
Now, i like chuck as a hard worker/leader but the facts are that even when healthy, he's offesnsively challenged, short and not a great team defender. Continued arguments to the contrary are getting old. And yes, i get it that the dally ship has sailed. It doesnt change the facts about the two players that keep getting compared to each other. Frankly, it isnt fair to hayes. He shouldnt even be compared to dally but unfortunately, our front office forced that issue.
It's now my new mission in life to prove Chuck>Dally
RookieOfTheDay
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You'll need some help from Dalembert, then. He better stop averaging 8 and 8 and 2 blocks.
Methinks you need a new mission. Besides, why? Chuck is a work horse, a good character guy and a tough man to man defender on certain bigs. Let him be that. Trying to prove he's a better starting center than a guy that's a proven rebounder, shot blocker and not totally useless (though far too confidant for his own good) offensive player is a pointless excersise.
Kings Faithful
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Its time to see some heads roll....
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LWP777
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So how much longer until we go find a decent SF and get rid of this joke of a player in John Salmons? It seems like 2 out of every 3 games he scores like 4 points and has minimal rebounds and assists. How can somebody suck so bad yet keep getting significant minutes let alone STARTING?
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