Grades v. Warriors 11/16

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Bricklayer

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Missed the first few minutes of this one due to our normal national TV luck -- maybe not a bad thing given it was 9-2 by the time we got switched over. Got a title for this one: Baron rules Kings! Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all night.

Artest ( B- ) -- hung in there in a game too fast for his normal talents, and spent most of the game playing PF and effectively acting as our idea of an interior shotblocker. Shot too much, and not well, but contributed across the board stats in a game where we were having a hard time finding anybody to do so. And delivered yet another big rebounding game -- beginning to think this is a permanent feature for him, and like I have said before there are a long line of former coaches, GMs and teammates who might want to talk to him about his ability to sudenly turn that aspect on at will. Of course it also helps those baord totals to be playing in a game like this where balls are flying all over the place and you are playing 44 minutes at PF checking Mike Dunleavy. But still, 12 is nice. However, 7-22 is not. Especially when a bunch of it is chucking up 0-6 on 3pt attempts in a game completely devoid of large players capabale of stopping you at the rim. And while Ron did a solid job checking the still hobbled Jason Richardson (knee surgery), he was only marginally more effective than others at trying to slow the Baron express, and obviously there wasn't a hint of bleedover effect as the Warriors shot 58% on something that seemed like 2673 layups.
Thomas ( F ) -- got off to a simply atrocious start and looked overwhelmed by the racing waves of Warriors flying around the court. Fumbled ball after ball and was spinning like a turnstyle trying to guard the lane.
Reef ( B- ) -- scored some hoops inside against the ultimate smallballers, but looked like a ploughhorse at Churchhill Downs with all the people flying around the court. He was our most effective "big"...then again we barely have any, and the Warriors only play one. Still, at least he was able to occassionally counter with an inside score, and had some moments of aggression on the glass. But I think he ended up spending most of the night on the bench here with the lane completely wide open during his stints, and the Warriors flying up court to score on the break while Reef lagged behind. A fish out of water and not a great performance, but still the best thing we had inside and probably deserved some more minutes.
Martin ( A- ) -- But a better A- than last night (and maybe that one was inflated by half a grade after all). In any case, our only real weapon tonight, and obviously the one guy we had amongst the starters who felt somewhat comfortable in the sprinting chaos of a Nellieball game. Actually not really so much comfortable as confident and aggressive. Because the Warrirors were swarming, and had multiple ahtletes able to stay right with Kevin and challenge everything he did. Wasn't much free and easy about this one. But he kept attacking, even after getting blocked back to back in the early going on that floating shot off the dribble of his, and then by "Big Ben" Biedrins a few minutes later. And by attacking he drew a lot of fouls and let his FT shooting do the talking. The nice rebounding total was more about him just being the second tallest King on the floor for much of the game :eek: and grabbing fairly uncontested ones back there than anything else, but he did also do a nice job stepping into the passing lanes, especially in the wide open early going. Finally decided on the drop to the A- after he was quiet late, and after checking the box to confirm something I thought I saw -- big numbers, but the kid played in all 48 to get them tonight. And the sad thing is on a bad night for Muss, think that might have been the one good decision.
Bibby ( D ) -- My goodness -- lit up, annihilated, blown away, you name it -- Mike was just getting destroyed by Baron Davis tonight. Now Baron basically schooled anything that got in his way tonight, but thnat first quarter in particular was a tonesetter where Baron put together a HOF type quarter and just blew us off the floor going around, over, through, Mike at will. And Mike's response at the other side was pretty weak. Ended up sitting out the entire second quarter I think, and we did better without him. Fired back at Davis a little in the third, briefly looked like he was heating up. But then we went away from him, and by the time we got back he was forcing again. Bad offensive night. But the complete wipeout by Davis at the other end is what sends this grade really spiraling.
Cisco ( D ) -- may have managed to rebench himself for the early season with a shaky classic Cisco brainfart filled first quarter. We turned to him with Golden State smoking us with small ball, brought him in in place of the awful KT and moved Ron to PF. And yet his decisionmaking only made things worse and that was it for him.
Price ( B- ) -- got in for the final play of the first quarter and missed the buzzer beating three. But played well in the 2nd quarter, attacking effectively off the dribble, and while he was in no way really playing "point" guard (it was a pure little scoring guard effort), he was much more effective than Mike had been in the early going. Played a lot of minutes in the second half too, but was not nearly as effective, and there was little of his defensive work on display. Think he was one of our guys who fell for the temptation of Nellieball -- the game was built for midget scoring guards and so Ronnie was a good fit and joined the fun without ever really impacting the game.
Corliss ( C ) -- the numbers here look better than what we actually saw out on the floor, but they still had me raising this grade a bit. Corliss got into the game early as we desperately tried to outsmall Nellie. And yes, that means Corliss was pretty much our "center" for most of the first half. Did little, and other than just being the right height not sure why he got those minutes. In the second half got some run at PF next to Reef as well, but still struggled with the speed of a game in which he had to check Golden State's "PF"s -- Michael Pietrus and Mike Dunleavy. As mentioned, the stats look pretty good -- 11pts 6rebs. But if you watched the game it looked pretty bad with people flying by Corliss to the front of the rim, playing over the top of him, and scoring at will. Corliss tossed in the occasional garbage type point the other way, but he was another one of our guys who just seemed ill suited for this pace, and who was playing way out of his position in Muss's brilliant gnatball experiment.
Hart ( B- ) -- and you know it got bad when Jason Hart was summoned in desperation to try to slow Baron and ended up playing heavy minutes. Well, slowing Baron did not work. But on the other hand Jason at least provided us with a little offense and stayed on the court long enough to foul out at least trying to stop Davis. Unfortunately he and Price were our smallballing answer in the backcourt, and while both guys gave us some points, neither guy effectively ran the offense, rebounded, or showed the ability to stop either Baron or the bigger guards. At least there was an effort though.
Douby ( INC ) -- got a minute. Hit a shot. Douby sighting!!

Muss ( D ) -- Remember the old complaint about Rick Adleman, that he would sometimes let the other team dictate our own personnel and just respond rather than dictate? Well, I'm not sure he ever took it as far as Muss did tonight. And first of all, wow does Nellie really have the Warriors playing Nellie ball, and well at that. Muss ont he other hadn doesn;t seem to have a clue yet exactly what "Sacto ball" is going to be in the new era. We used to have such a strong identiy that you knew when we were playing out of our normal rhythm. But after these last two, what exactly is our normal rhythm? Not sure the coach knows either, because Don Nelson just grabbed his nose and led him right down the path of smallball destruction in this one -- the classic Nellie trap played to perfection. Makes you play his game, and beats you at it. Had a willing accomplice in Muss this time out. Where the hell were the subs in the first quarter as we got smoked? Tried to go small with Cisco in place of Thomas, but that certainly did not help, and everybody else went just about the distance. And then after that started running not just subs, but basically the entire tail end of the bench for huge minutes as his charming answer to Nellie's gazelle's. Corliss at C? Ronnie Price at OG? Jason Hart unbanished to play big minutes? It was like 3/4 of garbagetime. On the positive side you could say this showed his committment to defense -- the benchers were at least trying over there. On the nto so positive side you could say baloney, note that we got completely embarrassed on defense to the tune of 117pts on 58% shooting at that our "defense" these last few games has been suddenly exposed as little more than a smoke and mirrors high risk gamblefest where everybody overplays and races around trying to pad their steal stats while giving up open shot after open shot if they miss. Either way, Muss tried to outsmallball Don Nelson, and guess what, it did not work. Avoids the big ole "F" here because a) Baron Davis was just spectacular and took thyis game away form us as much as we gave it away; and b) despite everything we hung around and theoretically could have stolen this one had the Warriors stumbled. But they did not, and they clearly ahd the better team tongiht (espcially given the talent level of the guys we chose to play). So win streak over. And with the Spurs looming, maybe lose streak started. We'll see -- in some ways maybe we match up better there.

Baron Davis ( FFFFFF ) -- Wow. Just WOW. Baron's long been a HOF type talent hindered by a nickel brain, but tonight was amazing. Tim Hardaway on roids. A mutant cross of JWill and Mitch Richmond. Whatever. If you could draw up the most forceful ultimate PG performance, it wouldn't look too much different than this. Broke us down at will, created shot after shot for everybody on the court including himself. Much respect in this one for a guy who doesn't always deserve it -- would have been a blast to watch if it was happening to some other team.

Charles Barkley ( GO AWAY ) -- for all of those worried that the Big Ignorance himself would doom our season by saying something positive about us, not to worry.
 
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Musselman - F--------

What a horrendous coaching job. Let's see. Kenny playing 17 minutes, Shareef playing 21? When the Kings' only hope was to get the offense going through Shareef and Martin?

Musselman is like that overachiever in high school who you really know is the smartest guy in class, only he gets so nervous he throws up before every test and ends up flunking. Just a pathetic coaching job.

Kevin Martin is still awesome. Wonder when the Kings will realize that.
 
I completely agree with you nbran.....While it is true that KT was absolutely horrendous today, he at least has the quickness to keep Mike "{freakin} Dunleavy from pounding the offensive glass. And the most puzzling coaching decision was keeping Reef on the bench for the final 15 minutes of both the 1st and 2nd halves. I mean, really, Reef was not dominating on the defensive end, but neither was he bad (though slow on weak-side defense). On offense, however, he was very good and our only option for easy buckets in the post. I am not certain how shooting 5/7 in 20 minutes of basketball warrants being benched. He also had 4 boards and only one turnover. Once again, tonight was like a journey to the twilight zone. Muss needs to force other teams to play his style of basketball, not change our game plan in order to counter the Warriors offensive scheme.
 
He played all 48 minutes tonight. I think they realize exactly what he means to the team and they knew it before you ever did.

48 minutes and only 16 shots, and those were forces. If they realized Martin was the key to the offense they didn't show it by setting him up for easier looks.
 
48 minutes and only 16 shots, and those were forces. If they realized Martin was the key to the offense they didn't show it by setting him up for easier looks.


Thats something they definitely have to realize, and Ron Artest has got to stop shooting bad shots, 0-6 from 3?
When Ron is in doubt he just chucks the ball up, ughhhh tonight was ugly.
 
Musselman - F--------

What a horrendous coaching job. Let's see. Kenny playing 17 minutes, Shareef playing 21? When the Kings' only hope was to get the offense going through Shareef and Martin?

Musselman is like that overachiever in high school who you really know is the smartest guy in class, only he gets so nervous he throws up before every test and ends up flunking. Just a pathetic coaching job.

Kevin Martin is still awesome. Wonder when the Kings will realize that.

Completely agree
 
You know Bibby is having a terrible night when I (The ultimate Jason Hart basher #1) personally says, "I wish Jason Hart was in there right now."

That being said, I also have to prop Jason Hart who looked as good as he ever has in a Kings uni, and he actually did give us a boost tonight.
 
48 minutes and only 16 shots, and those were forces. If they realized Martin was the key to the offense they didn't show it by setting him up for easier looks.

Think part of the problem is that Kevin is not able to create his shot. He has developed a good knack for getting to the line, and is mixing up some runners and floaters to add to his patented out of the pocket shot. However, he is still not at the stage where one can throw him the ball and expect him to create a shot while being closely guarded.

The good news: There are two actually
1. He is finding more ways to contribute, apart from his scoring. Had 9 rebounds and 4 steals tonight, and had 6 assists yesterday against Memphis.
2. He has been consistently adding to his game. Hopefully, soon we shall see him consistently creating shots for himself and others on the team.
 
Thats something they definitely have to realize, and Ron Artest has got to stop shooting bad shots, 0-6 from 3?
When Ron is in doubt he just chucks the ball up, ughhhh tonight was ugly.

True enough, but one thing I've noticed is that on numerous occassions throughout any given game, there isn't much movement on offense, and Ron is really the only one decisive enough to at least get something up before the shot clock sounds off.

The offense seems kind of like the Mavericks O, where the ball stays in one person's hands for much of the possession. The weirdest thing though is that the setups don't really look like an organized ISO, and nobody really gets open with the screens. Yet they continue to put up 100+.
 
I love the intangibles which Artest brings to the floor every single night. That being said, we struggle everytime Artest takes 20+ shots. His game is not designed to create shots one-on-one. He best serves the Kings taking around 15 shots which come within the offensive sets. I simply hate when he brings the ball upcourt, dribbles around some more, puts his head down and then forces a well-defended jumpshot. Those possessions really hurt this team. I do love his offense over the last 4-5 games.
 
Here we go with the inevitable "overreacting to one game" threads which will last until the next victory. While we all probably slightly overreacted to the 5-2 start, people are definitely overreacing to this loss. It did look bad, granted, but the warriors just didn't miss tonight.

I know the defense was MIA but take it for what it is - one game in an 82 game schedule.
 
I know what you mean!

Not to sound like I am making any excuses either but it was a back to back and you best believe the Warriors were prepairing for us tonight. If it wasn't for such a poor start to the game we could have won. We never let them blast us into the atmoshpere even with the poor play we showed on the offensive end.

We shot 1-17 from 3!!!! WTF! I am surprised the game was as close as it was.

P.S. Kenny Thomas blew *** tonight! So far this season he has played 2 of the WORST games I have seen him play. Truly earned a big fat F, good call Brick.
 
This is why K9 is just not reliable as a starter. He seems to disappear for entire games only to show up in the TO column. We need a real Power forward. Bring back Webber.
 
It's hard to blame Musselman for playing small ball when the tallest player he's got right now is 6-9 and under-sized even at PF. He didn't get tricked into playing a small lineup, he has no other option. He did choose to play Price and Hart on the floor together for quite a long stretch, but they were playing the most effective defense of anyone not named Ron Artest, Salmons is unavailable, and Kenny Thomas and Cisco Garcia played themselves off the court. Actually, I want to know where that Jason Hart came from because I've never seen him before. He was brutalizing Monta Ellis and even giving Baron Davis a hard time for a little while. Also, Kevin Martin was guarding Davis for most of the first quarter when he went off with 11 assists, not Bibby --- and after that a lot of his points were scored on fast breaks and three point shots taken with a hand in his face. That's not poor defense, that's just unstoppable offense.

Golden State shot the ball ridiculously well today and the Kings still managed to stay in it right until the end. They could never make up the lead they gave GS in the first quarter, but they played them pretty even after that which isn't that atrocious considering they shot terribly and GS was smoking hot. Oh yeah and GS actually has a center too, and he's one of the top shotblockers in the league so far this year. The layup drill in the first quarter was embarassing, but the Kings defense was pretty solid for most of the game. Everyone rotates over, they make the extra pass, and the last guy drills the jumpshot. That's what the Kings torched teams with routinely in the Adelman era. It's not atrocious defense so much as effecient offense. But I think it is fair to say that the Kings can't claim to be an elite defensive team until they show that they can impose their will defensively on a consistent basis. It started to look like that might happen in the fourth quarter here with Artest, Martin, and Hart forcing steals all over the place but every time they'd get a stop GS would answer back by drilling a three. That works great in Home games during the regular season, but in a post-season series you're not going to shoot over 50% every game. Take the loss here and be proud of our guys for hanging in there and competing right to the end. Petrie: find a big man! And soon!
 
Well, guess I can go back to my original views on KT again. Once in awhile does his Ben Wallace immitation: 10+ rebs and 0-2 points. Not this time. UGH!! 16 min, 6 TO's, Ø as in zero, points and reminded me of a kids toy top, spinning round and round as the Warriors flew by him on the way to a layup. To bad Cisco didn't jump on his chance to get some minutes. And Bibby may need to take a week off and get that thumb-wrist back in shape.

Agreed that Muss got outcoached in this one big time.
 
Well, a great idea turned out not so good. I was at the game, up from SoCal for work, thought I'd check out a Warrior game...low and behold it's my KINGS!! I was so excited, I spent decent chips for 1 ticket, great view..had my brew and pizza..and well we know the rest. :confused:

Being there I noticed a lot of things....

#1 WE LOOKED SLOW, real slow, especially in transition 'D'...I could see all those allyoops coming a mile away.
#2 Kenny Thomas SUCKS, or did last night anyway. The Warriors were just hot, period in the 1st qtr..every shot they put up seemed to go in (even the one's that weren't uncontested layups and dunks) KT turned the ball over everytime he touched it, and would just look at the bench with no expression his face...like he wanted to be somewhere else....finally he was THE BENCH!
#3 Baron Davis needs to put that game in his video archive to watch on those long lonely days later this season when he's rehabbing...he's due for his yearly injury any day now. BUT it was a fantasic performance, wow. :eek:
#4 Mike didn't look right, neither did Ron...both looked like they would give a little burst...then hobble, and neither seemed to ever get a rhythm, although Ron did gangster his way into the paint a few rough and tumble times.
#5 We'll be back, great turnout of Kings fans..more than I expected. Thought I'd be the only one with my Kings t-shirt...but there was actually a whole row of purple down low, nice.

Well, that's my 2 cents...it's always good to see the Kings live, although a win woulda been nice...still a good time.

Peace!
 
fair assesments as usual brick

i'm not too bothered by this loss to be honest. thomas couldn't have played worse, mike looked like total crap out there, ron was forcing crap all night, the kings D looked like the mavs a few years ago, baron davis was doing a jason kidd/steve nash impression and STILL the kings were in the game most of the game. the kings played like garbage, the warrriors were lighting the place up and they STILL couldn't pull away.

that leaves me with a somewhat good feeling.
 
fair assesments as usual brick

i'm not too bothered by this loss to be honest. thomas couldn't have played worse, mike looked like total crap out there, ron was forcing crap all night, the kings D looked like the mavs a few years ago, baron davis was doing a jason kidd/steve nash impression and STILL the kings were in the game most of the game. the kings played like garbage, the warrriors were lighting the place up and they STILL couldn't pull away.

that leaves me with a somewhat good feeling.

....and to look on the bright side, this only counts as 1 loss when in all fairness it should count for 2-3.
 
48 minutes and only 16 shots, and those were forces. If they realized Martin was the key to the offense they didn't show it by setting him up for easier looks.

Plus 11 free throws, that's a lot of touches and I didn't think he forced many shots. He looked worn out at times, he was one of the few guys getting back on defense and he was keeping the Kings in the game on offense plus he played . He had a few closer shots that he missed because the defender was able to elevate with him, when normally Kevin has the legs to rise over anyone at his height. He got enough touches to get us a win, it was the other guys who didn't produce. Getting enough shots for everyone wasn't the problem, it was the transition defense and the overall energy.
 
48 minutes and only 16 shots, and those were forces. If they realized Martin was the key to the offense they didn't show it by setting him up for easier looks.

Very quickly this league will realize the Kings offensive threats are wrapped up in Martin and Bibby, esp. with Miller on the bench. As well as Martin has played I think he'll be in for some serious adjustments to his game.
 
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