[Grades] Grades v. Suns 12/17/2012

Most encouraging game by a bench scrub?

  • Jimmer

    Votes: 31 79.5%
  • JJ

    Votes: 4 10.3%
  • TRob

    Votes: 4 10.3%
  • IT

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Hayes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Outlaw (hey, he didn't play! step forward!)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    39
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Sigh. Sigh.

Mostly you gotta put this one on DeMarcus. With Reke and Thornton out, he had to be the man. He was the bug on Gortat's windshield instead.

On our nightly search for positives, various of our scrubs/draft picks etc. had good stretches off the bench, in particular during that second quarter, so there was something. Since it can't lead to more consistent playing time with this coach I have no idea what it means, but hey, good games > bad games. Mostly though Reke has to get over his knee, and hopefully Marcus's mom gets on the mend. Its hard to even see what we look like with both of them out and Boogie playing like its a sick day.

Not bad enough for even more girls. Saw something online about really bad santa cakes. Sounds like a theme to me!

Boxscore

Stats: 31min 6pts (2-7, 0-0, 2-4) 6reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
Salmons ( D ) -- the 3 game totals have now reached 4-22 in three games. With our core gutted, hurt, home, foul trouble, whatever, there was a little bit of the same John Salmons to the rescue stuff going on as we have seen, with wildly mixed results, in previous games. In general that's a good trait, to have a starter underutilized who willingly steps back when your stars are in, and is able to step up when they're out. But is John underutilized? Or still just living in a not terribly glorious past? In any case pressed as we lost the last of our main scorers in Cousins. Dribbled into Scola's chest and turned it over. Was losing Brown off of screens on defense. Better luck defending Beasley, but of course everybody has that anymore. Got a terrible 5 seconds call on our last possesion of the half. I mean, I think he literally fell asleep. Might explain his, and our game. Walking somnulence, or whatever they call falling asleep sanding up. Did not even tso much as witch while at least 6 seconds ran off. Might still be standing there now tih the ball if those meddling refs hadn't finally decided to blow the whistle. Another forced contested midrange jumper to start the thrid and came up short. Might have been called, might have been the John Salmons tradition, not sure. Just a bad shot if it goes in or not. Reinserted into the game late in what seemed a smart defense for offense move...but a turnover off his thigh hurt us and led to his reremoval. Needs Reke back in the wildest way to rejustify his existence in the lineup.
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Stats: 28min 8pts (4-10, 0-0, 0-0) 6reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Thompson ( C ) -- started the game with an easy little turnaround. But did not have the same energy as the other night, and who knows, maybe was tired. On one play did not move at all going for (or not going for) the defensive rebound as Scola went right by him. Offensively aggressive after Cousins left in the early third, but not hitting the little flips and faded out and disappeared after a few minutes of elevated activity.
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Stats: 26min 9pts (1-10, 0-0, 7-8) 10reb 0ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
Cousins ( F ) -- should have been whistled for a foul for failure to bring a star player's gameface berfore this one even began. Would not have been any faster than he racked up fouls on his won. Came out extremly short on tow opne jupers, an dmaybe fatigue or whatever as we played tired. Did not look comfortable, and into quick foul trouble having gotten nothing accomplised. Came back in picked up his thrid foul. Went back out. Came back to start the third. Foolihsly picked up his 4th foul trying to take a charge (his behavior in foul trouble this time seemed to have swung all the way back around for his extreme hands in pockets play of recent games. Now he was reckless. Could almsot see someone criticizing the hands in pocket defense, and DeMarcus, being DeMarcus, overreacting the other way in "watch this" fashion). End result was our star, the guy who absolutley needed to be our rock wiht reke and thornton both out, took himself out fo the game wiht 4 fouls in his first 7 minutes of action. Oy vey. As the enitre lead evaporated, brought back in in the mid 3rd despite the foul trouble with us with us desperately needing him to produce. Seemed like a good coaching move, but he struggled in fugly fashion -- and we've seen this before when we want to 100% work through Cuz we start posting him on that left block, except his post game may be the weakest part of his repertore at this stage. In any case struggled mightily to post on Gortat and got his attempts blocked again and again. And in a related issue that makes the struggles aharder to absorb, simply was not/did not even think to pass when he was being muscled. Jermaine O'Neal came in, and he went in there, and same result. Mini chuckers and blackhole big men are destructive to any sort of organized offense, but will say that despite all of that his mere presence seemed to settle us in that at least we had an organized gameplan/attack, no matter how hirribly iuneffective, ratehr than running around like chickens wiht our heads cut off. On the more positive side after the 4 quick ones, mangaed to stay in the game from there on out, and struggled his way into a little productivity on the glass in the 4th, including grabbing a key offensive rebound off a missed free throw in the mid 4th that we converted as we tried to hang around. Still he, and we can't afford games like this out of him when our other main guys are out. Being a star means you don't have that luxury.
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Stats: 19min 6pts (2-6, 0-2, 2-3) 2reb 0ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Garcia ( C- ) -- rolepayers be handy if you have stars. Absolu8tel necessities if you want to win. Take away the stars...and you get this. There was alittle somethign early. Kind of. At least he was running the floor hard trying to get easy ones. And the Suns foolishly swarmed him on a broken play and fouled him beyond the 3pt line to give him 3 FTs. But that was about it. And the longer he played the more fugly came out. Was missing everything that was not a gimme, took a really foolish chicken with his head cut off three in transition as the Suns made their run at us int he third. Reminded one of the young and dumb constantly panicked and out of cotnrol Cisco. Hre iut was just a sign of our losing our focus and heads and everyboy trying to singlehandedly stop it, even our version of a grizzled vet. Cherry on topped the ngiht with an offensive foul with his old Reggie Miller kick the defender move that used to mysteriously get called on the defensive guy for so many years in the NBA. They change the rule sevral years ago, and we haven't seen Cisco do much of it since then. Until now.
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Stats: 30min 12pts (6-11, 0-3, 0-0) 3reb 3ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Brooks ( C+ ) -- got nothing accomplished in the early going, and neither did we. the Suns doubled him to try to take the ball out of his hands, which seemed odd. Seemed to do better in ridicuball lineups paired with the other mini chuckers than he did tryign to direct the dead or missing starters. Good blow by drive past Dragic to score the final hoop of the first and put us up 22-16. Really swarmed by Telfair at times, as had a surprising amoutn of toruble bringin it up cleanly depsite his quickness, and the Suns maybe knowing this from his time there, were up on him a lot. Nothing in the early third again trying to direct things, but after Thomas entered the game, lit a fire under Brooks and he made several good plays including a spectacular pass in the open court to Salmons for a layup. Best of our starting crew, whihc is saying absolutely nothing on a night like tonight.
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Bench

Stats: 24min 6pts (1-4, 0-0, 2-2) 6reb 3ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Hayes ( C+ ) -- more fish out of water stuff trying to lurk inside and pick up garbage hoops. Only able to finish one however. Continued his odd stretch of not being terribly effective defensively. Not able to challenge Scola on htos faceup jumpers, and you would think he would know his game. Did get a good strip on Dragic on the drive though. A little more settled as the game went along helping Jimmer on his good night and giving us some boardwork. Been a while since his last impact outing though.
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Stats: 21min 11pts (5-6, 0-0, 1-2) 3reb 1ast 2stl 3blk 1TO
Johnson ( B+ ) -- best game in some time. And I think potentially the most significant of our "best games" because he was our intended starter, and could be again if he ever calms down and/or learns to shoot. Some nice help defense inside, and a real saavy play stealing a tip anticipating where the Suns were going to tip it, and then laying it in. His game felt better if you will, as he was making good decisions with his passes. Doing a nice job in the 4th attacking and following around the rim with his athleticism.
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Stats: 22min 22pts (7-13, 3-5, 5-5) 3reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Fredette ( A- ) -- an interesting game for Jimmer full of various stuff, and in the end resulting in his highet point total as a pro. Came right in and was left open and responded by immediately dorpping in 5 points within his first minutes on the floor, causing Gentry to call a timeout. But out of the resulting timeout it was game on as the Suns responded strongly to Jimmer by immediately and repeatedly having PJ tucker go right at him in the post. Jimmer couldn't guard it, but this being PJ Tucker, the results were mixed -- there was no doubt though about the intent and theory. Jimmer kept on firing bacc the other way though as he, and we, had our best and only good quarter really. Made a couple of good passes on broken plays as well. Back in to start the 4th and used a crossover to drain a three immediately to help us get going. But the Suns again reacted strongly to his presence and began swarming him, and as it wa trheother night, Jimmer didn't react the way you'd hope, dribbling around in circles for 10 seconds at a time like he was at BYU determined to find a way to force up a shot rather than passing the ball out. Kept forcing and forcing until he lost his effectiveness. Was briefly replaced, but returned for the last few garbagetime minutes and added 6 more points to get him to his career best. Didn't feel he was an impact guy after the 2nd quarter, but for a quarer at least he mattered. Again...the backup PG mess. Or SG, since that's where we had Jimmer half the time. Maybe he's Thornton insurance if we trade Marcus rather than in the IT/Brooks derby. Who knows.
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Stats: 23min 6pts (3-10, 0-3, 0-0) 3reb 3ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Thomas ( C ) -- solid enough first half stint, pushing the pace during our high scoring 2nd quarter. Back in in the mid-3rd with Brooks, trying to give us some offensive spark. But not as effectve, and may have been taking the "give us some offensive spark" thing too literally, as he once again failed by basically geting dumb and selfish. Was focring shots and fast break attempts, turning it over. Could not hit his threes. And too small to rotate on those perimeter shooters again. In the end basically played himself out of the lineup and was eventually replaced by Brooks in the last 3 min. No reason for things to go the way they did for him here -- problem was entirely neck up.
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Stats: 16min 6pts (3-6, 0-0, 0-0) 9reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 3TO
Robinson ( B ) -- some real offensive forces, but very good hustle around the boards as he became the second of our recent lottery picks to post a career high, in his case it was grabbing 9rebs. Lots of energy and and activity. When he returned in the 4th had lost the rhtyhm. Got an up and down penalty going up to shoot and changing his mind. Picked up another turnover two possessions later, and three in the quarter. One good d-baord, but noit much else and repalced for the finish. Has the one strong quarter though, and once again it was all about hustle and work on the glass when it went well for him.
 
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Think the Suns would do that Gortat + Dragic + Pick for DMC and filler deal?:p
 
Cousins has to stop getting smushed by every guy that isn't smaller than him. Guys like Ibaka, Gortat and Pekovic turn him into a weak player that can't finish inside. Cousins' FG% this game was ... far less than desirable.
 
Cousins has to stop getting smushed by every guy that isn't smaller than him. Guys like Ibaka, Gortat and Pekovic turn him into a weak player that can't finish inside. Cousins' FG% this game was ... far less than desirable.

1-10 isn't any good? :)

He's really just not able to go at guys. I don't know why he even tries and it seems the more frustrated he gets the more he tries to do it.
 
Dude is a bully, bullies have trouble picking on people their own size.

When he was pushing 280, that wasnt really a problem...But now?
 
Very encouraged by JJ, Trob, and Jimmer tonight. We might have been able to steal this one had coach gone back to them rather than let Cisco, Salmons and Brooks suck the life out of us. Unfortunately, we'll never know if they can build on tonight's effort as Jimmer and IT will probably be forgotten about the next game and Trob won't get in until the 3rd
 
1-10 isn't any good? :)

He's really just not able to go at guys. I don't know why he even tries and it seems the more frustrated he gets the more he tries to do it.

No post game. Even JT has a better post game than him at this point. Interesting info from Jason Jones: Cousins is 13th in the league at blocked shot attempts (25) this year. He led the league last year.
 
This is what happens when jimmer takes enough shots to score 22. We give up a big lead and lose to a awful team. Yay kings
 
No post game. Even JT has a better post game than him at this point. Interesting info from Jason Jones: Cousins is 13th in the league at blocked shot attempts (25) this year. He led the league last year.



All very nice, but fact is he absolutely roasted Gortats nuts last year to the tune of 40pts. This isn't the case of Gortat being superior or haivng his number. Until tonight Cousins had owned him, and likely his unborn children as well.
 
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This is what happens when jimmer takes enough shots to score 22. We give up a big lead and lose to a awful team. Yay kings

Explain to me exactly the difference between you and a troll.

We've had people like you in the past around here. Eventually it's going to get to the point where you might just find yourself on the outside looking in, culled for the good of the herd.
 
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All very nice, but fact is he absolutely roasted Gortats nuts last year to the tune of 40pts. This isn't the case of Gortat being superior or haivng his number. Until tonight Cousins had owned him, and likely his unborn children as well.

Yes I have no doubt that Cousins is a better player than Gortat. My point is specifically on Cousins' post game and ability to finish around the rim. The numbers back up what we see every game - Cousins has no reliable post game. He scores mainly on putbacks, outside shots or just getting around guys with his quickness. But as far as finishing over another big inside goes, he hasn't been very successful.
 
Cousins looks like he doesn't want to be here. He's an emotional guy, and it looks like constantly getting blown out has got to him. He came out in this game like he had the flu or something.

I know I would be pretty pissed off if I played for a team that was constantly losing that does not share the ball (last in the league in assists).
 
Yes I have no doubt that Cousins is a better player than Gortat. My point is specifically on Cousins' post game and ability to finish around the rim. The numbers back up what we see every game - Cousins has no reliable post game. He scores mainly on putbacks, outside shots or just getting around guys with his quickness. But as far as finishing over another big inside goes, he hasn't been very successful.


Guess my point woudl be thatit did not stop him from tearing Gortat up last time around. Hence it really wasn't the main reaosn for him failing to this time. that owuld be eithr his mental preparation, or our stubborn attempts to post him in there when last year I think it was mostly drives etc. In any case, something changed and not for the better.
 
Guess my point woudl be thatit did not stop him from tearing Gortat up last time around. Hence it really wasn't the main reaosn for him failing to this time. that owuld be eithr his mental preparation, or our stubborn attempts to post him in there when last year I think it was mostly drives etc. In any case, something changed and not for the better.

I would say largely mental and just the overall game plan (if Smart even has one). Still, if he wants to be a dominant center that FG% is going to need to go up, and that won't happen till he improves his post game.
 
I should keep supporting TRob and Jimmer in this forum. They just had a good game while I was feeling the heat for asking to feed more minutes to these lottery-turned-garbage-time picks.

For the nth time this season, Smart just killed us for being not a "smart" coach.
Too much ISO in the 3rd killed us man.
The suspensions could already be getting into DMC too.
The guy is acting nice, which isn't really nice for the team. I want that bully DMC no matter how many suspensions he get.

This is supposed to be a bully team. Maybe Larry Brown can bring order here, even if most folks here don't really appreciate his history.
With 2 teams that he coached, he turned one of the smallest guy in Philly into a thug superstar, AI.
He even tolerated, Dikembe's finger.
And later he got the best in Sheed in Detroit for a ring along with a journeyman PG (with actually little natural PG instincts at that time) in Billups.
 
Cousins looks like he doesn't want to be here. He's an emotional guy, and it looks like constantly getting blown out has got to him. He came out in this game like he had the flu or something.

I know I would be pretty pissed off if I played for a team that was constantly losing that does not share the ball (last in the league in assists).

You realise of course, that Cousins is one of the biggest culprits of not sharing the ball? I also think that there is a huge part of this whole concept of sharing the ball and moving the ball that is often forgotten, and that is guys moving to get themselves in open spots. You can talk all you want about moving the ball, but if at the end of the day nobody is open and the ball is merely swung side to side then it's just as good as going 1 on 1 and not passing the ball. We too often have players standing around not doing anything, not setting screens, and even when they cut it's pretty useless because there's no space or screen set to free up a lane for the pass or for the guy to get an open path to the basket. That's why you're supposed to have a coach, to draw up an offense to get guys open. It's not like we have guys wide open under the rim or at the 3 point line screaming for the ball every game and we don't pass them the ball.
 
Cousins looks like he doesn't want to be here. He's an emotional guy, and it looks like constantly getting blown out has got to him. He came out in this game like he had the flu or something.

I know I would be pretty pissed off if I played for a team that was constantly losing that does not share the ball (last in the league in assists).

I understand that losing sucks and all but there is no reason for him to be playing as poorly as he has this season. A big part of the losing is his fault as he's the centerpiece of this franchise right now.

If he was playing really well and the team was losing then I think he'd have the right to be pissed off but he's not doing his part.
 
it was really a joke. but the point is, maybe now the Jimmer lovers will understand hes not the answer

This makes no sense at all. So you were totally kidding with your original post that Jimmer sucks and shouldn't play, but that joke post somehow proves to everyone that Jimmer sucks and shouldn't play?

Jimmer had a good, efficient, offensive game while our "starters" (for lack of a better word) played terribly during their 2 quarters. Had our starters not pissed away a 20 point lead in the third quarter, we win this game. Alternatively, had Jimmer not played as well as he did, we lose the game by 30 points.
 
it was really a joke. but the point is, maybe now the Jimmer lovers will understand hes not the answer

But watching the game tonight Jimmer was the answer. But a troll maybe didn't see that. TRob gradually getting there. Salmons looked lost tonight. What gives? Cuz has forgotten about passing out to open guys as he is trying to prove he can bull his way to the bucket. Too bad he cn't do that any more. Where is the pick and roll game and ball movement? Pass it out Big Boogie! JT the Rock, every night, not great but always there and always hustling and contributing.

At 8:18 left In the third if coach puts in Jimmer, TRob and JT with Brooks, Kings have a chance to stop the slide and win. But not at the 4 or 4:30 mark as tide has turned for good.
 
Cousins is just an unprofessional moody player. Shows up when he wants to, and if things aren't going his way he curls up in a ball and pouts at the refs for everything. Yes the guy has talent, but this franchise just isn't the right situation for him. He needs to go to a team with a lot of vets that will put him in his place, he will never fulfill his potential here.
 
Cousins is just an unprofessional moody player. Shows up when he wants to, and if things aren't going his way he curls up in a ball and pouts at the refs for everything. Yes the guy has talent, but this franchise just isn't the right situation for him. He needs to go to a team with a lot of vets that will put him in his place, he will never fulfill his potential here.


Obviously. I mean he's basically a senior in college and already a good 20 games into his third NBA season. Defintely finished. And of course its in the bylaws we can't acquire vets or coaches.
 
Obviously. I mean he's basically a senior in college and already a good 20 games into his third NBA season. Defintely finished. And of course its in the bylaws we can't acquire vets or coaches.

Agreed, we need patience, but maybe dolling out a bit of that patience to players like IT, Jimmer and T-Rob would be wise too.
 
This is what happens when jimmer takes enough shots to score 22. We give up a big lead and lose to a awful team. Yay kings

Yeah it was all Jimmers fault.

"joke" or not, i don't really understand the fascination with Jimmer knocking on here. Maybe it's a product of the kind of fandom he gets, a bit of kick back, but it really is ridiculous.

People critisise the jimmer lovers for not being kings fans, and yet there's people who bemoan absolutely anything positive this kid does. How is that a kings fan?
 
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