Grades v. Spurs 04/25

[4cwebb]

I can't imagine that Rick didn't say, "Allow the two... Don't give up a three" So I don't know what they were collapsing for... Reef needed to step out...

That play isn't on Reef, imho, from watching the replay. Bibby had absolutely no business being anywhere near Duncan or the lane. His man started outside of the three point line, and once the ball moved to the other side of the floor, there was no chance that he was going to need to help on any other player who could've taken a shot that would've tied the game other than his own man. Once Manu drove, Mike got sucked into the lane (when he should have been no more than two feet away from Barry at the time because once Manu crossed the three point line, he was no threat to tie the game with that little time left) and Duncan got a beautiful chance to completely jam him. Mike's head should've never turned toward the basket...it should've been focused on his man. Probably the one instance in basketball where the mantra "know where your man and the ball are at all times" doesn't need to apply, at least not after the ball has moved inside the three point arc (which it had by the time Mike moved).

 

[shaka zulu]

Well Rick said in the postgame that he told the guys to "hug the three point shooters". But they didn't.

Well bibby was playing the passing lanes and Helping when he didn't need to,If Rick said this he should have been closer to barry as Barry ran through the offense. He didn't have his periphial vision locked in right.

 

[SacKings384]

That play isn't on Reef, imho, from watching the replay. Bibby had absolutely no business being anywhere near Duncan or the lane. His man started outside of the three point line, and once the ball moved to the other side of the floor, there was no chance that he was going to need to help on any other player who could've taken a shot that would've tied the game other than his own man. Once Manu drove, Mike got sucked into the lane (when he should have been no more than two feet away from Barry at the time because once Manu crossed the three point line, he was no threat to tie the game with that little time left) and Duncan got a beautiful chance to completely jam him. Mike's head should've never turned toward the basket...it should've been focused on his man. Probably the one instance in basketball where the mantra "know where your man and the ball are at all times" doesn't need to apply, at least not after the ball has moved inside the three point arc (which it had by the time Mike moved).

O absolutely, Mike Bibby is 100% at fault here... But when Reef saw Bibby laying on the ground Reef could have at least charged at him, may not have done anything, but you need to do all you can...

 

[Bricklayer]

Rewatching that play, I think the only man on teh floor who's focus WAS where it should have been was Cisco, who stayed glued to Horry. Hart got beat off the dribble. Parker might have had an even more open look up top than Barry after Kevin abandoned him. Once Reef lost contact with him, Duncan could easily have stepped out, and did step up to screen Mike. Of course Mike had drifted in a step or two for no apparent reason etc. In a three point game, just poor execution by pretty much everybody out there but Cisco.

 

[reyes13]

How many times are they going to let Ginosebli and Parker waltz down the lane from an initial pick set up top? They're exposing Miller and Bibby...and since they can't score their now liabilities.

 

[DaMan]

That play isn't on Reef, imho, from watching the replay.

A little blame should go on sar because there was no need for any body to go help, they were losing by 3, eveybody just had to stick there man. So even if Manu did make the layup we would be up by 1 and force the spurs to foul us again. So as long as we didn't miss a free throw or turn the ball over during the in bound we would be ok.

 

[kennadog]

Rewatching that play, I think the only man on teh floor who's focus WAS where it should have been was Cisco, who stayed glued to Horry. Hart got beat off the dribble. Parker might have had an even more open look up top than Barry after Kevin abandoned him. Once Reef lost contact with him, Duncan could easily have stepped out, and did step up to screen Mike. Of course Mike had drifted in a step or two for no apparent reason etc. In a three point game, just poor execution by pretty much everybody out there but Cisco.

Hadn't really paid close attention to Cisco on the play, but you're right. I'm sure he was told to stick to Horry like glue and he did. Good for him. I was strangely glad it wasn't Horry again, even tho it makes no difference to the outcome.

 

[PejaFanatic]

O absolutely, Mike Bibby is 100% at fault here... But when Reef saw Bibby laying on the ground Reef could have at least charged at him, may not have done anything, but you need to do all you can...

He just stood here. Unbelievable.

A disappointing finish.

 

[BMiller52]

i would knock bonzi down to an A- due to the fact that he missed so many free throws. if he had made just ONE more we would have won. it's hard to criticize him since he had such a fantastic game, but i have to on that. missing free throws in the playoffs in tight games are inexcusable.

A for SAR and Kevin.

D for mike, his shot wasn't falling, bowen, but he did get 7 boards and 6 dimes. also hit some shots in OT, before making that critical TO.

Z for brad. where the **** has he been these playoffs???

Didn't you know? He left early for Indiana this year.

 

[swisshh]

You guys can, but I'm not letting the refs off the hook for this. Maybe it's because Wells got his 6th foul on a phantom foul or the fact they called the Kings for an illegal screen minutes later in OT, but I never want the outcome of a game questionable. Barry's three, even wide ****ing open, was iffy and went in on a lucky bounce. You have someone running at him and he probably misses.

 

[NumberFour]

I think Team Dime needs to lay off the Dime bags. Seriously how else can we explain Bibby's inconsistant performances? Does the NBA do drug tests? Sigh...

Might be time to trade Brad Miller too. For whatever reason he's not contributing.

 

[DaMan]

You have someone running at him and he probably misses.

If u look at the replay sar could have been able to do that but he just stood there, watching barry shoot it.

 

[swisshh]

Yeah, SAR could have ran out, but you have to worry about the offensive rebound and kick out. I imagine SAR's main job was to get any rebounds.

 

[shaka zulu]

If u look at the replay sar could have been able to do that but he just stood there, watching barry shoot it.

shareef was out of position,It was Already too late, By the time Barry got the ball, It was nothing he could do.

 

[Bricklayer]

Yeah, SAR could have ran out, but you have to worry about the offensive rebound and kick out. I imagine SAR's main job was to get any rebounds.

At the point you are talking about a wide open three pointer from the corner by an elite three point shooter, you are no longer worrying about offensive boards and kickouts, because there is absolutely no way that oiffensive board and kickout coould result ina better shot than the one you are already giving up.

 

[DaMan]

shareef was out of position,It was Already too late, By the time Barry got the ball, It was nothing he could do.

Even if it was to late, he still should have tryed. He should have thrown his arms around like a wildly man, scream like women, make ugly faces, do anything to distract the shooter, lol. But no he just stood there.

 

[Superman]

Rewatching that play, I think the only man on teh floor who's focus WAS where it should have been was Cisco, who stayed glued to Horry. Hart got beat off the dribble. Parker might have had an even more open look up top than Barry after Kevin abandoned him. Once Reef lost contact with him, Duncan could easily have stepped out, and did step up to screen Mike. Of course Mike had drifted in a step or two for no apparent reason etc. In a three point game, just poor execution by pretty much everybody out there but Cisco.

He must have been watching "Game Four".

 

[LPKingsFan]

Does this remind anyone else of Bibby's game winner over the Lakers in 2002 with the Webber screen? Obviously not the same, but some similar elements...

 

[kennadog]

Well reading this at BSPN's website didn't make me feel better.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=260425024

Every game, players get fouled when not yet shooting, then throw the ball at the rim in hopes of getting a continuation call. Van Exel appeared to get away with it at the start of the second quarter, getting rewarded with three free throws because he was behind the 3-point line -- by several steps. He made all three.

I hate NVE.

 

[BMiller52]

The refs sucked. Also Barry said his shot might have hit the shotclock. Is that true? If it is we got screwed REALLY REALLY BADLY even though that should've been an offensive foul anyways because Tim moved into Mike.

 

[yanon]

Stop whinning about the last play in regulation. Had Brad and Bibby shot a little better, the Kings would have won.

The Kings just have two starters who are worst defenders in the league. One of those two need to be traded.

 

[DeAtHrOw]

The refs sucked. Also Barry said his shot might have hit the shotclock. Is that true? If it is we got screwed REALLY REALLY BADLY even though that should've been an offensive foul anyways because Tim moved into Mike.

It was nowhere close to hitting the shotclock.

 

[bozzwell]

I was going to complain about the '-' in RA's grade, but then I have to agree with Brick: leaving Bibby out on the floor for the last 20 seconds of regulation made that grade drop from a rock solid A. A+ if have won.

But grades aside, it cannot be stressed enough how important performances from Bonzi, Kevin and Reef were. Because of those three, even though we lost, that was by quite some distance, best Kings PO game in 3 years. In Kevin, we now know, we hava a player and a performer who can step up under pressure in PO. As for the other two, Bonzi earned his extension based on that performance only (let alone whole season of tough play and rebounding) and Reef outperformed his contract in a single game. I want those three in the line up next year.

The only downside on the night was that the old "Core" reared its ugly head again (The 3rd Horseman didn't even suit up for Indy to land support to his CA based brethren). I restrained myself from nasty, doom-and-gloom posts after the game 1. But even when we come out to play hard and play a great game (despite the loss, we did play a great game) Brad and Mike killed me. They just killed me. As far as I am concerned, they are fair game now.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

i can't even think about this game anymore, i'm sooo f'ng pissed at the lack of heart w/ some of these guys. no hard fouls as if they wanted this game. lack of focus and determination. i'm going for a jog around the neighborhood