[Grades] Grades v. Lakers 12/3/10

[The Hammer]

The Kings are moving to Louisville.

It's perfect. They'll get Demarcus back. Evans from Memphis not far away. They've got a great arena. Once the Kings move, they can settle down.

The Kings are moving to Louisville, and it will be better for the team's chances of developing. Since I no longer live in Sac, I'm actually in favor of this. To all of you Sac folks, condolences.

Attendance is going to shrink so low. There is going to be a losing streak a mile long come January/February. Team moral is at a possible all time (and not just sac era) low. The team is in shambles. I've never seen body language this bad in any professional sport, let alone on a Kings team. You have players like Demarcus saying out loud to the media that it's like a DARK CLOUD is hanging over everything at practices.

Fans are beginning to withdraw their emotional energy. Parents with kids are beginning to not really encourage their kids to bond with the team and players, because they don't want to break their kids hearts when they leave. It's like the beginning of the end of a relationship, when it starts to dawn on both parties individually, but it hasn't come out in the open yet. Although each knows the other must know.

Folks the team is gone, or sold and gone. Doesn't mean you can't still root for them in their new location.

 

[nbaFan]

I can personally guarantee they arent moving to Louisville, no local ownership has stepped up and no Maloof will relo that far away. Sorry. Also DMC would never say such a controversial or adversarial statement in the media. He's the poster child of professionalism.

 

[The Hammer]

I can personally guarantee they arent moving to Louisville, no local ownership has stepped up and no Maloof will relo that far away. Sorry. Also DMC would never say such a controversial or adversarial statement in the media. He's the poster child of professionalism.

Really he didn't say that? I coulda sworn I heard about it. My bad for repeating hearsay. Well, the local ownership might be the only obstacle for the Louisville thing. Ain't no way they're stayin here though.

 

[sactownfan]

wow you guys are retarded... go ahead and find the last time i said i was over this team???

the team???

i've never said that .... i've said it for Muss, Regiie, and now... its a team thing... Westphal and the team... we need to do something majoy... but yeah ... good luck finding the last time i said "team"

get it together

 

[Bricklayer]

Really he didn't say that? I coulda sworn I heard about it. My bad for repeating hearsay. Well, the local ownership might be the only obstacle for the Louisville thing. Ain't no way they're stayin here though.

Much of that depends on a city council meeting in January. If there is a new arena, they will stay. If there is not, there is no longer a question of the "world's greatest fans" making them stay even without it.

 

[IfAt1st]

JT - A

Rest of team.... no comment so I don't get warned

JT, the recipient of the most stat-padding garbage-time grade this year....


May as well give Pooh Jeter an A, too.

 

[cuad]

i'm so mad because my streams never show the Kings broadcast for the Walton games. But for every other game it's Grant and Jerry.

i looooove Walton

 

[ZZ-TOP]

there shouldn't even be any grades for these guys. This should be an incomplete grade thread and just post images of dead animals.

:d:d:d

 

[bubulina]

Suggestion

I've got nothing to serve as an adequate balm for this guys. I can't post porn. Sorry.



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Why not something like '10 greatest miracles' to cheer us up? My soccer team sucks too so go imagine how I feel. However I will never loose my hope or stop supporting my Kings and Galatasaray (yeah that's my team too and they are terrible this year).

By the way, does any of our Israeli friends know why there are fewer Kings games on TV this year? And I don't think Kings sucking is the answer here )

 

[Andre87]

Thank I didnt watch that crap.
Screw the kings.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Why not something like '10 greatest miracles' to cheer us up? My soccer team sucks too so go imagine how I feel. However I will never loose my hope or stop supporting my Kings and Galatasaray (yeah that's my team too and they are terrible this year).

By the way, does any of our Israeli friends know why there are fewer Kings games on TV this year? And I don't think Kings sucking is the answer here )

There seem to be fewer NBA games being aired in general (but on the other hand we get highschool games and the Leumit. Yay.) It's just a continuing erosion in the value of the product Sport5 provides.

 

[King Baller]

Pretty bad game by the Kings, except for the first quarter. I thought the Kings should have been leading after the first quarter, but turn overs prevented it.

Teams are just loading the paint on defense and daring the Kings to shoot the J which they do not do very well. The lakers were slapping at the ball fouling on every play and the refs let it go. The Kings got by with their share also unless it was defending Gasol who was treated like a princess by the refs.

There is a lot of bad attitude on this board. You got to suck it up and rally around the Kings. It looks to be another bad season. As VF21 mentioned in her blog, being a Kings Fan ain't for wimps!

BEAT DALLAS!!!

KB

 

[FaStRmAn]

It was just a perfect storm of crap tonight. We couldn't shoot or defend.

That storm system has camped over this team's head the entire season like Schleprock. I just dont think the Kings have enough talent to compete with teams like the Lakers for sure, but really ANY NBA team that has an allstar. Since that describes most every NBA team, the Kings just cant compete! There is a obvious dearth of talent on the Kings roster. This team was not meant to compete, just to improve. The Kings have all young players who are in different stages of improvement. PW is looking for a combination that will make the Kings competitive, but he just does not have enough pieces to solve the puzzle! The organization chose not to spend what cap room they have (some 20 mil not counting Dalembert's expiring 13.5 million) They have the LOWEST PAYROLL in the entire NBA !! Click on the Link and check the salaries for yourself.

So the fact that they are unable to win on a nightly basis is part lack of talent (not enough paid talent to win), part team effort (knowing they dont have enough talent to win), and part coaching inability (to deal with the lack of talent nightly) . That is the PERFECT STORM for a HORRENDOUS SEASON ! All you can hope for is that the young players improve without losing confidence, the free agents are available after the New CBA agreement, that they can sign enough additional talent to improve the roster, and that the owners are willing to spend that money when they need to.

The truth is, they REALLY needed to sign a veteran player in camp to a one year contract at either the SF or PG position who could make baskets to help this team be semi competitive! As the team is now, it is pretty hard to watch. Hopefully Geoff Petrie can find a player around the allstar break for a reasonable price at either SF or PG , or make a trade for a player in order to make watching these games less stomach churning.

 

[King Baller]

Those payroll numbers are enlightning!!! Kobe and Pau are paid almost as much as the ENTIRE Kings roster??????

See it here: http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

KB

 

[bajaden]

Those payroll numbers are enlightning!!! Kobe and Pau are paid almost as much as the ENTIRE Kings roster??????

See it here: http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

KB

This is nothing new. If its new to you then you haven't been paying attention. I and many others have done countless posts on the Kings payroll. When the Kings were paying out bucks for every Tom, Dick and Harry with Mid-level exceptions and bi-annual exceptions they were getting criticized right an left for their stupid spending and continually being over the cap. Now that they are actually doing the right thing, and have set themselves to be in great position after the new CBA, you guys are jumping on them for not going out and spending money. You can't have it both ways.

 

[FaStRmAn]

I'm not jumping on them for not spending. Just pointing out that they have not spent and that might be one reason why they are not playing competatively. I understand they have a plan to spend the money after the new CBA in order to get the most bang for their buck. My fear is there will not be any quality free agents left to sign if the CBA makes it easier for small market teams to compete. I do not trust the NBA to do what is best for the league and institute a HARD CAP and force big market teams to share the talent. If anything, the new CBA will squeeze the players for a bigger share of the profits at best. The owners only care about profits, and the contracts for the players have steadily gone up without the revenue to pay them matching the increase. I fear that teams like Sacramento will be marginalized by the big market teams that control the NBA. Only time will tell if the new CBA will indeed benefit the Kings.

So the plan by Geoff Petrie is a good plan IF the CBA does improve the Kings ability to sign and retain free agents. If it does not make it easier for teams like the Kings to compete, then all will be for naught. I am hoping that after this season, the Kings get one more lottery pick and spend the money to improve the team by signing several mid level players to form a team that is competitive around the rising young stars the Kings have drafted.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

D overall. Very bad game for The Kings. The only player that even looked like he was giving his best effort was Thompson. The rest of the team pretty much rolled over and gave up. These guys have zero confidence right now and it shows. The only way to remedy that is to get a few wins but at this point, them winning even one game seems like a pipe dream.

The more I watch this team, the more I think Westphal is not the problem, or at least not the main problem. The main problem is that these guys just suck. In all honesty, with no exaggeration or hyperbole, this team plays some of the worst offensive basketball I’ve ever seen in the NBA. I never thought I’d say this but I miss Kevin Martin at this point. At least he could score.

It’s getting to the point where I’m not enjoying the games but rather watching them only out of habit and loyalty. From reading over the board as of late, it seems many people feel the same way. I can’t remember there being a time when Kings’ fans morale was this low. Like Cousins said, it’s like there’s a black cloud over the team. It’s become depressing, aggravating, and disgusting to watch Kings’ games. At least the players get paid loads of money even though they’re terrible. Us fans have to endure this debacle of a season without being compensated for it, though!

Yeah, I know, if it bothers me that much, just stop watching, right? Trust me, I wish I could! It’s not that easy, though. It’s like having an underachieving loser for a friend or family member. Maybe you’d be best off to just cut ties with them all together but you can’t. You keep wishing, hoping, that they’re going to pull their head out of their @$$ and get it to together eventually so you can be proud of them. That’s what being a Kings fans is like.

 

[King Baller]

This is nothing new. If its new to you then you haven't been paying attention. I and many others have done countless posts on the Kings payroll. When the Kings were paying out bucks for every Tom, Dick and Harry with Mid-level exceptions and bi-annual exceptions they were getting criticized right an left for their stupid spending and continually being over the cap. Now that they are actually doing the right thing, and have set themselves to be in great position after the new CBA, you guys are jumping on them for not going out and spending money. You can't have it both ways.

And I have read those posts you and others have made. I had never looked directly at the Kings payroll when compared to Kobe and Pau's annual salary. I think a hard salary cap would help the NBA.

KB

 

[Bricklayer]

And I have read those posts you and others have made. I had never looked directly at the Kings payroll when compared to Kobe and Pau's annual salary. I think a hard salary cap would help the NBA.

KB

People forget that during our own golden years WE were some of the biggest spenders in the NBA. In fact our entire "beat you with depth" strategy would have been impossible in a hard cap world. Vlade and Webb earned a combined $30mil, strip our ability to go up over the cap to resign our other guys and maybe we can keep Peja but Bibby is gone, possible Christie, likely have to find a cheaper Pollard etc. You don't compare Lakers and Kings payrolls because they are at radically different spots on the development scale. Put the Lakers into their upcoming rebuild and they aren't going to be spending $80mil either. Financial flexibility is one of the main tools fo the young team.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Pretty bad game by the Kings, except for the first quarter. I thought the Kings should have been leading after the first quarter, but turn overs prevented it.

Teams are just loading the paint on defense and daring the Kings to shoot the J which they do not do very well. The lakers were slapping at the ball fouling on every play and the refs let it go. The Kings got by with their share also unless it was defending Gasol who was treated like a princess by the refs.

There is a lot of bad attitude on this board. You got to suck it up and rally around the Kings. It looks to be another bad season. As VF21 mentioned in her blog, being a Kings Fan ain't for wimps!

BEAT DALLAS!!!

KB

I've been here since day one...1985...and this is the worst I've EVER felt about this team...this is just crazy! Even with Musslehead and the bunch, we at least TRIED to win a few games...the fact that we arent even doing THAT is the most nauseating thing in the history of this team, IMO. Westphal needs to go...FIRST and foremost! Elie needs to replace him to bring fire and respect back on the court, and Petrie needs to do SOMETHING to bring in veteran leadership and scoring, or else we WILL 'beat' the 76ers all time worst record from a billion years ago!

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I think a hard salary cap would help the NBA.

KB

A hard cap would be the worst possible thing that could happen to the NBA. All it will accomplish is to make the NBA a boring league like the NFL where there are no truly great teams. Parity in sports sucks. The NBA is much better and much more fun having teams like The Lakers, Celtics, Magic, and Heat. Does anyone really want a league full of average basketball teams? I sure don't. If the league institutes a hard cap, that may just be the death knell for the NBA.

 

[kingsboi]

A hard cap would be the worst possible thing that could happen to the NBA. All it will accomplish is to make the NBA a boring league like the NFL where there are no truly great teams. Parity in sports sucks. The NBA is much better and much more fun having teams like The Lakers, Celtics, Magic, and Heat. Does anyone really want a league full of average basketball teams? I sure don't. If the league institutes a hard cap, that may just be the death knell for the NBA.

How can you say the NFL is boring? Your wrong too about no truly great teams, the Patriots won 3 Superbowls in a span of 10 years, the Steelers won two and the Colts have been in the playoffs for 10 years straight, or something close to it. It's not fair to call the NFL boring, because if you have never watched much of it, then your just being bias. What makes the NFL better than the NBA is that you never know who is going to win the Superbowl, it's not predictable as the NBA where you know the Lakers always get there 9/10 times. Celtics are usually always up there & the Pistons when they were good. The NBA would be much better off with 2 all-stars per team and not 3 or 4 of them. Atleast IMO.

 

[ReinadelosReys]

Team grade:

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

How can you say the NFL is boring? Your wrong too about no truly great teams, the Patriots won 3 Superbowls in a span of 10 years, the Steelers won two and the Colts have been in the playoffs for 10 years straight, or something close to it. It's not fair to call the NFL boring, because if you have never watched much of it, then your just being bias. What makes the NFL better than the NBA is that you never know who is going to win the Superbowl, it's not predictable as the NBA where you know the Lakers always get there 9/10 times. Celtics are usually always up there & the Pistons when they were good. The NBA would be much better off with 2 all-stars per team and not 3 or 4 of them. Atleast IMO.

I just don't like the "we have to keep the teams as even as possible so it's fair" mentality. That's not interesting to me. I want to see dominant teams. I don't like the anybody can win it dynamic. I know some teams have managed to dominate in the NFL, but they did so in spite of the hard cap, not because of it.

 

[kingsboi]

I just don't like the "we have to keep the teams as even as possible so it's fair" mentality. That's not interesting to me. I want to see dominant teams. I don't like the anybody can win it dynamic. I know some teams have managed to dominate in the NFL, but they did so in spite of the hard cap, not because of it.

I guess you and I like different things on the court then. I much more prefer to watch a sport where you don't know who is going to win the big game rather than just knowing what your going to get and how the outcome most likely will come out.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I guess you and I like different things on the court then. I much more prefer to watch a sport where you don't know who is going to win the big game rather than just knowing what your going to get and how the outcome most likely will come out.

There's a saying that goes, the quality of the win is measured by the quality of the opponent. If a team can pull off an upset and beat The Celtics, Lakers, Heat, etc. it's much more meaningful and dramatic that beating a team that's never been to the finals before and may never get there again.

I’d also like to point out that big spending isn’t a guarantee of dominance anymore than limited spending is a guarantee of mediocrity. When you factor that in, the hard cap is more symbolic than anything else. True competition shouldn't have limits placed on how good you can try to be to make it "fair". This isn't grammar school where everyone has to get a prize so no one feels left out.

 

[kingsboi]

There's a saying that goes, the quality of the win is measured by the quality of the opponent. If a team can pull off an upset and beat The Celtics, Lakers, Heat, etc. it's much more meaningful and dramatic that beating a team that's never been to the finals before and may never get there again.

I’d also like to point out that big spending isn’t a guarantee of dominance anymore than limited spending is a guarantee of mediocrity. When you factor that in, the hard cap is more symbolic than anything else. True competition shouldn't have limits placed on how good you can try to be to make it "fair". This isn't grammar school where everyone has to get a prize so no one feels left out.

Your just not seeing it the way I do. The beauty of the NFL is that you only get one shot and your out. That's legit, you have to come prepared with all guns blazing and clicking on all cylinders. Everybody has a chance to upset a team depending on match ups and that's how it's always been in the NFL, match ups, match ups & match ups. One team might be favored to win against the lesser team, but if they actually do lose, it won't surprise everybody because the underdog did more things to win the game and move on to the next round.

In order to spend big, you have your organization get rid of big contracts and add youth to the team. When draft time comes around, with seven rounds, the first couple of rounds you usually pay big bucks to your draft picks. After that, it's all abut the players determination of wanting it and making the team.

 

[fnordius]

Really he didn't say that? I coulda sworn I heard about it.

DMC, 11/30/2010, as reported in the Bee: "It's very hard. I mean, you come into practice, you can just feel it in the air. The negativity. It's like a black cloud hanging over."

 

[ArcoKings]

There's a saying that goes, the quality of the win is measured by the quality of the opponent. If a team can pull off an upset and beat The Celtics, Lakers, Heat, etc. it's much more meaningful and dramatic that beating a team that's never been to the finals before and may never get there again.

I’d also like to point out that big spending isn’t a guarantee of dominance anymore than limited spending is a guarantee of mediocrity. When you factor that in, the hard cap is more symbolic than anything else. True competition shouldn't have limits placed on how good you can try to be to make it "fair". This isn't grammar school where everyone has to get a prize so no one feels left out.

I have to agree with kingsboi on this one. I hate when the same 4 teams year in and year out are the favorites. Change is always healthy. I like when the less "fancy" team is a tough team to beat (Spurs, Blazers, Jazz and up and coming OKC Thunder). In the NBA an upset rarely occurs. In the NFL everyone has a chance to win. Look at baseball in the last 10 seasons. The D-backs won in 01; (my) Angels won 02; Marlins in 03; Bosox in 04; in 05 the White Sox beat the ASTROS and the Giants won this season. All new teams. This is great for the cities, the fans and the sport.

 

[kingsboi]

I have to agree with kingsboi on this one. I hate when the same 4 teams year in and year out are the favorites. Change is always healthy. I like when the less "fancy" team is a tough team to beat (Spurs, Blazers, Jazz and up and coming OKC Thunder). In the NBA an upset rarely occurs. In the NFL everyone has a chance to win. Look at baseball in the last 10 seasons. The D-backs won in 01; (my) Angels won 02; Marlins in 03; Bosox in 04; in 05 the White Sox beat the ASTROS and the Giants won this season. All new teams. This is great for the cities, the fans and the sport.

Yes, you see it from my point of view. There are fans that just want some variety, not same ol' predictable, dull, boring basketball. That is why you haven't seen an upset in the NBA since the Warriors vs the Mavs. That was amazing to watch! That had bad match ups written all over it for the Mavericks. Since then, it's been all LA, all the time. Who knows when we will see another upset, it could be 3-5 years or more. It really just depends on what type of fan you are. If you like watching the major markets of the league succeed and give you entertaining basketball, then god speed.