Grades v. Lakers 11/26

[sloter]

Well, I know it is early in the season, but that man plays his heart out every game so I'm sure that he could use some more rest. Unfortunately, that's where short rotation and not having enough big men will hurt us. If Osterag could give ANY quality minutes that would be helpful.

 

[VF21]

Rick is no higher then a C because he cannot adjust to a game at all. Lakers killed us with the pick and roll with Kobe and Cook because Miller could not gaurd it. Instead of going small and bring Bobby in and putting Pedja on Cook to help on the pick, Slick Rick continued to allow the Lakers to stay in this game. Oh well

Oh please.

Adelman didn't suddenly go ice-cold and miss basket after basket. How you can always find something to criticize the coach for, even after a win, astounds me. Adelman made some key substitutions at critical times that kept us in the game in spite of questionable calls/non-calls, player errors, etc.

Oh well...

 

[sloter]

I thought that Adelman was outcoached by Tomjanovich as well, and that he didn't make good defensive adjustments on Kobe, but oh well... somehow it worked.

 

[#1sacfan]

Oh please.

Adelman didn't suddenly go ice-cold and miss basket after basket. How you can always find something to criticize the coach for, even after a win, astounds me. Adelman made some key substitutions at critical times that kept us in the game in spite of questionable calls/non-calls, player errors, etc.

Oh well...

I was talking about the defensive side of the game. The Lakers really had only one play working the entire game and there was not an adjustment made. Oh and just because a team wins does not mean that the game was well coached.

On a sidenote one thing that I just do not understand is why our two best outside shooters (Pedja and Mike) are also the only guys who know how to set picks?? I would like to sit Brad down one time and make him watch how Mike Bibby sets picks.

 

[KingKong]

Again why don't we play more zone defense? I think we are more effective on D especially towards the end against kobe. We get killed when we play man-to man.

 

[VF21]

Oh and just because a team wins does not mean that the game was well coached...

True, but it's very easy AFTER THE FACT to look back and see when you think the Coach should have done something different.

Adelman made some key substitutions, we saw some different looks that we haven't seen a lot of before, and it is ONLY November. I think Coach is doing a very good job of experimenting with various combinations to see what will work and what won't. While you may fault some of his decisions, the result was a win. And that DOES count for something.

 

[sloter]

On a sidenote one thing that I just do not understand is why our two best outside shooters (Pedja and Mike) are also the only guys who know how to set picks?? I would like to sit Brad down one time and make him watch how Mike Bibby sets picks.

Hahahahah, funny cause it's true. Bibby and Pedja run more picks than any other two-man combo. It's sad.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Not sure i want to argue any particular grade but wil note one exciting thing that other people seem to be bemoaning. The Kings won a close gameagainst LA, and in fact they have been winning alot of close games games latey. Up untill this year I felt taht close games did not favor the Kings, ESPCIALY a close game with LA. Historicaly if the Kings did not have at least a 10 point lead in the bottom half of the fourth they were NOT likely to pull it out, on the other hand historiclay if LA was only down by 5 in the final minuets of a game it was as good as a leat to them. Nice to see the tabels change.

As far as the over all team play they moved the ball well at times but still looked slugish at times. Rebounding was a one man show but my how Webber showed! In general my only concern with the starters is the rebounidng.The other obvious problems will work them selvs out as the team adjusts to innitating the offense moreand more through Webber and adjusts to Millers strenths and weaknesses. But if this team is going to be ready for big time play in the post season they have to adress the rebounding, and the bench has to be able to play bigger min. Part of Webber's problem down the streach was getting tired, same could be siad for Cristies mentla mistakes ,and Brads foul trouble. Bobby is doing better and Darius is able to give good min, but Barnes needt to be able to play more and some where some how this team needs another big man to play an open court game off the bench. Tag has his uses and will be vital come paly of time, but against young fast athletic teams the boy is uselsess. The starters are doing grate but ther is no room for error, injury, suspensions or ejections.

 

[TheSerbianQueen]

I am not even sure why we have to analize this much (I understand, it might be fun for some people)...... KINGS played a good game (not "great" one) and still won. Not every player is ALWAYS going to have a GREAT GAME...... Last night was more about playing smart, I think. The game could have gotten away from us, but Pedja did well by getting lots of calls - those FT made the difference at the end.

Overall - great game

 

[Heuge]

I thought that Adelman was outcoached by Tomjanovich as well, and that he didn't make good defensive adjustments on Kobe, but oh well... somehow it worked.

When will anyone give adelman respect. His team started 1-4, he has them winning seven in a row. Not to mention his 300+ wins as Kings coach and his 670 wins as an nba coach. When you have been winning for that long maybe you do things right. On Adelman being outcoached by RT, RA had most of his players with off games in Staples, and still WON.

 

[kgrichwine]

The Kings, for the most part, held their composure during some very questionable calls/ non-calls by the officials. I give the team an "A" for that.

 

[quick dog]

The officiating was not good, not terrible, but not good. The single most annoying issue with the officiating was the tendancy for referees to send Kobe to the line for minor touches. The Kings defense was better than game statistics would indicate. How does a defensive player maintain composure and confidence when penalties are assessed for simply standing in a given spot while Kobe flys into them. Darius and Brad are abused on a regular basis. Without poor officiating, Peja would not have gotten to the line much, but by the same token, the Kings would have run away with this game.

The Kings exercised amazing self-control. They must have been expecting this situation.

 

[Bartking]

I liked Pedja's steal at the end. The Laker had him tied up, but he kept moving his legs, just like a good running back!

Also, I wonder how many Kings in the modern era have ever gone 4-4 from the FT line in the final minute of a close game besides Pedja? My guess: either nobody or maybe...maybe Bibby/Bobby.

On the downside, Pedja has made a conscious effort not to rebound this year.

 

[webberfan]

When will anyone give adelman respect. His team started 1-4, he has them winning seven in a row. Not to mention his 300+ wins as Kings coach and his 670 wins as an nba coach. When you have been winning for that long maybe you do things right. On Adelman being outcoached by RT, RA had most of his players with off games in Staples, and still WON.

the only concern i have right now about adelman is that it seems in order to right the ship, he's had to cut back to playing just 8-9 players. at some point in the season, we are going to have to find out what guys like evans and martin can do/provide for us ... and i'm not talking about what they can do in garbage time.

continually playing a short rotation in the regular season, given our history of injuries and the age of some of our starters, is a big concern for me.

 

[Bricklayer]

the only concern i have right now about adelman is that it seems in order to right the ship, he's had to cut back to playing just 8-9 players. at some point in the season, we are going to have to find out what guys like evans and martin can do/provide for us ... and i'm not talking about what they can do in garbage time.

continually playing a short rotation in the regular season, given our history of injuries and the age of some of our starters, is a big concern for me.

Yes, but given our margin right now (read none) and the total lack of NBA experience of our deep bench, I don't see that we have much choice at the moment.

What we really need is to ge a few blowouts wehre we can gt these guys on the court for significant minutes, get them some experience, and get a better idea of what they can do.

 

[love_them_kings]

Brickie's assessments are my favorite part of the forum. People that know a lot more about the sport than I usually have relevant things to say. It helps me understand the game, and ultimately, enjoy it more.

I agree completely. I look forward to the game grades almost as much as the games! I was out of town yesterday with no access, and couldn't wait to see what Brick (& the rest of the board) had to say. I don't think looking at it player by player takes away from rooting for the Kings as a team. First and most importantly, I want the Kings to win, and I am happy whenever they win! However, looking at the game player by player is interesting, and helps me realize how great our team is. None of our starters are consistently earning "A"s, but because we have different players stepping up on different nights, we are looking at a team that has won 7 straight games. YAY!! GOOOOO KINGS!!

 

[love_them_kings]

The Kings, for the most part, held their composure during some very questionable calls/ non-calls by the officials. I give the team an "A" for that.

I was impressed by that too, especially because that isn't something that I usually think we do a good job of. I feel like in the past we have severely sabatoged our own chances of winning by overreacting to bad officiating, and I was glad that wasn't the case tonight. It also made me wonder if Vlade's passionate disputes have been a contributing factor to prior problems. Too early to tell, but either way, maybe we've finally decided to stop crying about the refs and just play the game.

 

[CruzDude]

If we keep winning ugly (even tho' Jerry says there are no ugly wins only ugly losses), I mean keep winning when we are not playing our "A" game and don't impress at either end, and at other venues, can you imagine what the Kings will be like when they string a couple of "A" games together?? Boggles the mind. But only an 8-man rotation this early is most bothersome and Peja and Bibby or CWebb getting 40+ min has me "worried again".

 

[VF21]

But only an 8-man rotation this early is most bothersome and Peja and Bibby or CWebb getting 40+ min has me "worried again".

I look at it differently. I think Adelman tightened the rotation to get the team going in the right direction. Get some wins under their belts, build up their confidence a bit, and THEN start blending the kids into the line-up. The Kings and the fans needed these wins. The starters needed to get back into the flow.

There's a lot of season left to go.

 

[LPKingsFan]

What we really need is to ge a few blowouts wehre we can gt these guys on the court for significant minutes, get them some experience, and get a better idea of what they can do.

Don't we play the Hornets soon? Have they won yet?

 

[albeitrue]

The Hornets beat the Jazz (!) last week, so they are 1-10 now. We play them this coming Wednesday, 12/1 at N.O.

After that a pretty easy homestand to Pacers, Celts and Bobcats, yahoo! Maybe we can insert some bench for these homestand games?

 

[VF21]

Don't overlook those lower teams. Traditionally, they seem to step it up against the Kings. Call it pride or whatever, but you'll see us lose a couple of games to teams who seem to be able to put together career nights against us...

 

[albeitrue]

Don't overlook those lower teams. Traditionally, they seem to step it up against the Kings. Call it pride or whatever, but you'll see us lose a couple of games to teams who seem to be able to put together career nights against us...

Naw, this is the NBA, can't really overlook anyone. I bet the Jazz overlooked those Hornets last Tuesday. But being at home is a huge advantage with lesser teams, especially when that home court is Arco.

While I've eaten bigger words that those, I have had my fill of eating these last four days and hope to get back on my diet next week, if you know what I mean...

 

[iheartBrad]

Officials: ( F ) -- there were a couple of simply awful calls in the 4th quarter that were just blatantly bad. Bennet Salvatore was just ridiculous. Entirely blew a clear breakaway foul committed to stop a Bobby Jackson layup, and then called a flagrant foul on Doug Christie with 1 minute to go! Almost decided the game.

fair grades as usual Brick....im a little late with my comments yes i know....but...

i love how you threw in a grade for the officials cuz they definetly earned that grade....in addition to terrible no call on Kareem Rush who committed the foul on Bjax and the ridiculous flagrant (trust me if DC wanted to take down Cook...it would of been a hell of a lot harder...and it would be very clear)....the refs also called two consecutive fouls on Brad Miller that just made me sick to my stomach....( i didn't notice that they were back to back until i watched the game for a second time) i mean i don't complain about refs a lot in any NBA games...but that was unacceptable on their part...