[Grades] Grades v. Bulls 11/27/10
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DeMoN
Bench
If i knew we'd have the frontcourt we have right now i wouldn't of made the trade.
Gabriel
G-League
Beno = F
I hope Luther head gets his minutes. People here don't understand that beno as your point guard isn't going to win you ball games. Having Head there isn't going to get you much further, but imo he gives this team a better chance of winning as he meshes well in the back court with Tyreke. All beno does is play fundamental basketball but the moment the game gets physical or requires tough defense, he disappears.
I hope Luther head gets his minutes. People here don't understand that beno as your point guard isn't going to win you ball games. Having Head there isn't going to get you much further, but imo he gives this team a better chance of winning as he meshes well in the back court with Tyreke. All beno does is play fundamental basketball but the moment the game gets physical or requires tough defense, he disappears.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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LWP777
Guest
It's funny you say this because I was thinking the same thing last night. We desperately need a player who can score and hit outside shots. Of course, KMart fits that description perfectly. The problem is we have so many deficiencies on our team that when we make a trade to help fill a need it exposes us in other areas. It's like putting a band-aid on a hole in a boat only to find there are other holes that spring up. I thought that it was a great trade after seeing what Landry could do but now I think they got the better of it.
Jkbiker
Starter
Wow was at the game last night, we had a great first half!
Was suprised by JT getting the start, but oh so Happy!
Sammy,JT,Greene in the front court was awesome!
Sammy was in the zone scoring, JT was knocking the jumpers down,
Greene was 2 for 5 on his 3's (one on his first attempt)
Was thinking OMG PW has finally seen the light!
We have size and defense on the front line!!!!!!!
Then I read this morning the only reason JT started was Landry overslept thru the Sat morning shoot around? WTF!!!
Then he said post game he still liked Landry Starting?
PW didnt go back the the original starting lineup in second half?
In the first half the bench Cuz, Landry,Omri,Beno I thought would tear it up on offense but at least
kept it even and ended half with big lead
Second half seemed to start going downhill real fast when PW started with slow painful subs pattern
to the bench unit and never really had a consistant bench for any length of time
Even worse as Brick said PW never really returned to the starting lineup that worked so well
Sammy only had 30 min should have had 38
Cuz had 16 min should have had 10
If PW would have ran the rotation more like the first half (lets call it the alarm clock rotation)
instead of the crazy - (lets call it the Oh lets try this now? rotation)
maybe everyone on the court would not have been so confused, lost, clueless,ineffective
in the second half
My beautiful fiance' said it best - WTF is PW doing?? Why doesnt he stick to what was working?
Was suprised by JT getting the start, but oh so Happy!
Sammy,JT,Greene in the front court was awesome!
Sammy was in the zone scoring, JT was knocking the jumpers down,
Greene was 2 for 5 on his 3's (one on his first attempt)
Was thinking OMG PW has finally seen the light!
We have size and defense on the front line!!!!!!!
Then I read this morning the only reason JT started was Landry overslept thru the Sat morning shoot around? WTF!!!
Then he said post game he still liked Landry Starting?
PW didnt go back the the original starting lineup in second half?
In the first half the bench Cuz, Landry,Omri,Beno I thought would tear it up on offense but at least
kept it even and ended half with big lead
Second half seemed to start going downhill real fast when PW started with slow painful subs pattern
to the bench unit and never really had a consistant bench for any length of time
Even worse as Brick said PW never really returned to the starting lineup that worked so well
Sammy only had 30 min should have had 38
Cuz had 16 min should have had 10
If PW would have ran the rotation more like the first half (lets call it the alarm clock rotation)
instead of the crazy - (lets call it the Oh lets try this now? rotation)
maybe everyone on the court would not have been so confused, lost, clueless,ineffective
in the second half
My beautiful fiance' said it best - WTF is PW doing?? Why doesnt he stick to what was working?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
She wanna coach? I'm ready for the change.
Jkbiker
Starter
Well she is going to retire next June, so she will be available for next Season!!!
Mario Ellie can take over as Interim coach til then!!
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
bloom
Starter
Why do we always have to change our line-up to please the other team? Is it that hard to keep something that’s working?
We really have to work on keeping it together when the other team puts on the defensive pressure. I guess that’s something that just needs experience.
Coach’s love for Carl Landry reminds me of the time where Spencer Hawes made some nice plays for our team and Reggie Theus had to put in Mikki Moore back in…btw. I don’t mean to put Carl and Mikki together. I like Carl, but this particular situation just resembles each other.
Car did his most damage for the Rockets from their bench and he’s not exactly tearing it up from being a starter. I just don’t understand why he can’t give us some spark from the second unit.
We played awesome in the first half. I loved the way we passed the ball and worked together. Tyreke was doing his thing and so was everybody else. Good things happen when you move and pass together…It was sad to see it completely crumble in the 4th quarter. Everything that we worked for and everything we did right just disappeared.
Tyreke really needs to stop with the jumpers – when there’s nothing there. He’s working on his shot – I love that. But he’s not anywhere close to just throwing it up – I hope he understands that cause he’s made this mistake several times this year. Right now his biggest asset is his drive to the basket, and he should be using that much more.
Why does this worry me? What happened between last year and this year with him?
We really have to work on keeping it together when the other team puts on the defensive pressure. I guess that’s something that just needs experience.
Coach’s love for Carl Landry reminds me of the time where Spencer Hawes made some nice plays for our team and Reggie Theus had to put in Mikki Moore back in…btw. I don’t mean to put Carl and Mikki together. I like Carl, but this particular situation just resembles each other.
Car did his most damage for the Rockets from their bench and he’s not exactly tearing it up from being a starter. I just don’t understand why he can’t give us some spark from the second unit.
We played awesome in the first half. I loved the way we passed the ball and worked together. Tyreke was doing his thing and so was everybody else. Good things happen when you move and pass together…It was sad to see it completely crumble in the 4th quarter. Everything that we worked for and everything we did right just disappeared.
Tyreke really needs to stop with the jumpers – when there’s nothing there. He’s working on his shot – I love that. But he’s not anywhere close to just throwing it up – I hope he understands that cause he’s made this mistake several times this year. Right now his biggest asset is his drive to the basket, and he should be using that much more.
Why does this worry me? What happened between last year and this year with him?
bajaden
Hall of Famer
JT shot 50% from the floor, which is just fine. Also, two of the those jumpers came as a result of guards passing him the ball with 3 ticks left on the clock. What was he suspossed to to with the ball? At least he had the where with all to shoot the damm thing instead of dribble it around looking for someone else to pass it to.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
The problem isn't with our frontcourt. Its with our backcourt.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
An F is too kind for Beno. Beno knows what he's doing. He's playing like crap in order to get traded or "get his way", whichever comes first. He'd like the offense to revolve around his skill set, he'd like to be a starter. He's just not a happy camper. Poor Beno.
I'd like nothing better than the Kings to pickup of a CBA guard and replace Beno pronto. You really couldn't get anyone worse...
I'd like nothing better than the Kings to pickup of a CBA guard and replace Beno pronto. You really couldn't get anyone worse...
IfAt1st
Starter
I only saw this game from the 4th qtr, when the game was tied, around 8:30 left.
I took notes, observing the mistakes Kings players made, from the 7:45 mark when the Kings were up by 3 (I think 81-78).
These are observations of play, with minimal analysis or conclusions:
* Tyreke missed badly on a jumper, when it was contested. With his game, he cannot be shooting contested jumpers when there is time left on the clock.
* Tyreke made one of the stupider TO's I've seen on the break, ignoring Beno open ahead of him on the right side, another guy ahead of him on the left, then dribbled it inot 3 defenders before amazingly, inexplicably, pulling a nifty-looking behind-the-back-pass (?!) to the guy on the left and then charging right over Kyle Korver who had been planted there for a second waiting for him in the key.
* Donte had a terrible forced drive into multiple defenders that had NO chance of working - he even continued and shot the ball when near the ground, making it easier for Noah to block it.
* Beno took a good pull-up J that missed, then made a stupid foul leading to FT's for the Bulls.
* DMC made the horrendously-ugly TO when spinning at the foul line.
* JT looked away and lost Deng, took the wrong direction and got picked by Noah, which left Deng wide open for the 3.
* Tyreke walked the ball up repeatedly, dribbled, then passed the ball to Beno with 14 seconds left. This leads to fewer offensive opportunities or margin for error, and is a major problem with the offense.
* JT missed a shot, then DMC destroyed the Bulls in an offensive rebounding display, drawing 4 defenders to him leaving JT wide open for his only offensive RBD of the night, which he proceeded to not immediately put back up, but brought it down to his waist and dribbled it, and travelled for the TO.
* JT horribly defended Deng when he was handed a pass off to, which forced Beno to foul Deng.
* Tyreke shot a contested 27 ft 3 ptr that had no hope of going in. He has no business shooting those - in fact, any badly-chosen shot is almost a TO, since there's not much chance of the ball going in or the Kings getting the ball back.
I took notes, observing the mistakes Kings players made, from the 7:45 mark when the Kings were up by 3 (I think 81-78).
These are observations of play, with minimal analysis or conclusions:
* Tyreke missed badly on a jumper, when it was contested. With his game, he cannot be shooting contested jumpers when there is time left on the clock.
* Tyreke made one of the stupider TO's I've seen on the break, ignoring Beno open ahead of him on the right side, another guy ahead of him on the left, then dribbled it inot 3 defenders before amazingly, inexplicably, pulling a nifty-looking behind-the-back-pass (?!) to the guy on the left and then charging right over Kyle Korver who had been planted there for a second waiting for him in the key.
* Donte had a terrible forced drive into multiple defenders that had NO chance of working - he even continued and shot the ball when near the ground, making it easier for Noah to block it.
* Beno took a good pull-up J that missed, then made a stupid foul leading to FT's for the Bulls.
* DMC made the horrendously-ugly TO when spinning at the foul line.
* JT looked away and lost Deng, took the wrong direction and got picked by Noah, which left Deng wide open for the 3.
* Tyreke walked the ball up repeatedly, dribbled, then passed the ball to Beno with 14 seconds left. This leads to fewer offensive opportunities or margin for error, and is a major problem with the offense.
* JT missed a shot, then DMC destroyed the Bulls in an offensive rebounding display, drawing 4 defenders to him leaving JT wide open for his only offensive RBD of the night, which he proceeded to not immediately put back up, but brought it down to his waist and dribbled it, and travelled for the TO.
* JT horribly defended Deng when he was handed a pass off to, which forced Beno to foul Deng.
* Tyreke shot a contested 27 ft 3 ptr that had no hope of going in. He has no business shooting those - in fact, any badly-chosen shot is almost a TO, since there's not much chance of the ball going in or the Kings getting the ball back.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I think we can safely say that Deng is quicker than JT. Shouldn't come as a surprise, and JT should have never been asked to defend Deng. JT did an OK job on Noah for the most part and JT did a good job of rotating . Westphal should have had Greene guarding Deng. It workded fine in the first half so there was no reason to believe it wouldn't work in the second half. They could've have moved JT to center.
DesertFox
Starter
That was meant as a criticism of the rest of the team.
If the offense is meant for JT to take a contested jumphot with 2 seconds on the clock, something is wrong.
I really don't know what happened to the shooting form that Tyreke supposedly worked on. If you look at all his mid range jumpers now they're all ugly fade away leg kicking things. You'd think that if someone wasn't even a good set shooter he wouldn't be trying to pull up and fade away off a crossover.
DeMoN
Bench
Which is why i said if i knew we'd have cousins and dalembert i wouldnt have traded martin.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Martin was not going to work, and has carried the losing with him like a disease to a new town. I still have some feeling Landry could work as a 6th man, but woudl probably rather just move him to make way for an all titanic frontcourt with Hassan joining the active roster. Eitehr way we are beter off wiht his small ending contract than Kevin's big long term one.
PurpleHaze
All-Star
Completely agree. Polar opposite of Beno's form, where he's more liening into his shot square and extended towards the rim. I don't think I've ever seen Udrih fade away, simply because he cuts to get open and quickly launches his jumper in one textbook fluid motion. It's been said a thousand times about Reke and his jump shot that if he ever develops one, he'll be unguardable. Unfortunately, he's a long way from getting "the shot", mainly due to poor form, inconsistent form, ragged shot selection, and fact that he'll probably never be a pure shooter from outside. The only hope is maybe 4-5 years from now he'll develop his outside shot the way another big All-Star PG did as his career went along - Chauncey Billups.
DeMoN
Bench
True, although would you resign Landry if he asked for 7+ million?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
At this point probably no. Not so much his talent level, as our extreme overstocked frontcourt, and overstocked in all the ways we should be focusin on -- big guys, rebounders, shotblockers. Landry's post offense is post offense, but it comes with almsot nothing else, so you almost hve to stop the game to go get a post hoopm whcih is not how its supposed to work. Givent hat dynamic I would jsut assume go big right across the frontline and concentrate on dominating the interior defensively/reboundingwise, and use Landry and one of our snalls to try to fix our SG position.
Arco Thunder
Bench
It's the curse of Chucky Brown, I tell ya.
It's bad enough for any team that didn't trade or waive him, but he retired a King. His cooties coat Arco, defy every attempt at exorcism, and all of our players become carriers eventually. That's the real reason Arco has to be replaced rather than refurbished.
DesertFox
Starter
I know this has been gone over a million times, and it's always easier in hindsight, but as the roster stands now, it's hard to agree with that.
Thoe downgrade from Martin to Head/Jeter looks steeper than going from Landry to JT. And if you believe the team has to overpay to attract talent, the risk of 4 years of Martin is better than 1.5 years of Landry and whoever they sign next.
I can understand why he's fading away, and I can't help but wonder if it's more in his head than anything. If you think about it, Jordan, Kobe etc all have that pullup slight fadeaway from the elbow, and perhaps in his mind Tyreke is trying to imitate them. Problem is he doesn't even have his basic shot down, so he shouldn't be jumping straight to fading away. His fades by the way, are also a lot less balanced and he leans back way more than Kobe and Jordan. The funny thing is, teams are playing him for the drive all the time, and he should have more than enough space to just shoot it straight without fading away, so it's not like he actually needs to fade. For some things, the more you do it the better you get at it. In this case though, he's just "practising" poor form and developing a bad habit during games. I really really hope that he improves his shot and learns what he should and should not do.
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