Grades v. Bulls 11/16

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Bricklayer

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Peja ( A- ) -- one of our two offensive weapons for most of the night. Never as hot as Bibby, but at this point I think its fair to say that's he's pretty much out of his shooting slump. Hit a couple of big threes down the stretch to ice the game. Played an active game as well, in particular in the first half. Began to lose control of Luol Deng as the game wore on. One area where he is still in a lifelong slump however is with rebounding. We were getting pummeled on the glass again, in particular in the first half, and Peja was nowhere to be found. Unless I'm mistaken Mike Bibby is now outrebounding him on the season. :eek: Called this an "A-" even though I felt like it was more of a "B+" just based on his late streak and the raw number of points he scored (and efficiently).
Webber ( B ) -- pretty ugly game for Webb in a lot of ways. But earned his grade based upon his boardwork in the second half. We were getting absolutely killed on the boards in the first half, but Webb came out of halftime and just shut down the defensive glass. Big factor in our surge to open up the game, and a welcome sight to a team desperate for boardwork. Had a number of assists, but looked a little shaky directing the offense. Not a good shooting night either, but a number of his misses were up against the shot clock after the offense broke down and nobody else popped open.
Miller ( C+ ) -- not a great effort by Brad. Maybe too much positive press. ;) Was working hard, but nothing coming easily. Missed some open jumpers, and generally shied away from shooting therafter. Was fumbling some boards as well, but did join Webb to help seal the glass in the second half. But just did not look smooth. Struggled to contain Curry in the first half, but was more effective after the break.
Christie ( C+ ) -- not an awful performance, but still hasn't had a breakthrough game this year. Just offesnviely AWOl. Neither looking for, nor making shots. Decent defense, in particular in the thrid quarter when we picked it up, but not a huge impact tonight.
Bibby ( A- ) -- along with Peja, carried the team offensively until Bobby joined the act late. Was hot from the start of the game, and this time maintained his presence. Lot of points, scored efficiently. On the other side of the court got off to a forgettable start as we tried to hide him on Erik Piatkowski only to find that Mike is the only basketball player on the planet, NBA or otherwise, who can not stay with the Polish Rifle. Actually it was bad enough that I wasn't even entirely sure who was SUSPOSED to be guarding Pike until I looked around the court and saw that everybody else was accounted for. Also still having some struggles with his FT shooting -- not sure what is up, but he's not very dependable there right now. Overall figured that either both he and Peja deserved "B+"s or they both deserved "A-"s as our twin offensive engines. Decided to give both of them the vote of confidence despite noticeable holes in their games this time out.
BJax ( B ) -- may seem like a bit of a harsh grade for a bench guy coming in and dropping 20pts, but there are two halves to the game, and in the first Bobby was pretty putrid. Was actually impressed by Rick leaving him in there, because not only was he throwing up junk, he was really breaking down our offense to do so. But maybe the extra floor time helped, because he gradually worked his way out of it, started attacking the rim, doing the Bobby hustle thing, and had himself a nice second half where he contributed on both sides of the floor. Was the first guy to get to all of the loose balls.
Songaila ( C+ ) -- bit of a mixed bag for Darius, and I could be talked into a slight bump. Came into the game in the second quarter and was stinking the place up -- missed shots, fumbled balls, and actualy blew a couple of assists from Greg Ostertag of all people. But got better therafter, and made a few nice hustle plays as the game wore on, including a nifty steal where he slapped the ball away from Chandler maybe? who was coming full speed on a swooping drive and took it full speed himself down the other direction.
Ostertag ( C- ) -- came in in the second quarter along with Darius and was put in the position of running the offense ala Webb or Miller. He actually showed a little passing ability, but you can see a potential problem there with teaming him with Darius -- just as we never had Pollard run the offense when he was here, don't think we want to put the ball in Tag's hands either. Probably needs to always work with either Webb or Miller. Running an offense is just not his strength. On the other end used his big body to help calm down Curry after a fast start -- done that a few times this year for us. But he's still not boarding, and we need that from him (or just anyone).
Barnes ( C+ ) short stint. Missed a three. Nice drive to draw a foul. Some of his usual hustle. Right now we're running tight rotations and Barnes is kind of the last guy to get any regular PT. Just coming in for short bursts of energy.

Adelman ( B ) -- well, hard to grade here. We did not come out to play at the beginning of the game really. Kind of sleepwalking and doing the play down to your opponent thing. Also did not appear to be ready for Piatkowski getting the start. But Rick must have said something at halftime. Because we got with it and were serious on the boards and defense in the third quarter. Which is actually annoying in a way, because why can't we be focused all of the time? Anyway, a few interesting notes -- Tag/Songaila experiment failed for us in the first half. He also left Bobby in even while he was killing our offensive flow. But in the end that may have paid dividends as Bobby played his way out of it. And late we weere having problems with a Chicago zone, which really should be easy to defeat for a team which passes and shoots the way we do. I'm giving a B as sort of a shrug -- hard to get too excited about a win over the Bulls. We won. No huge awful mistakes. Not much danger after we came out of halftime roaring. So, ok. We're back to .500, which should shut up most of the sky is falling stuff. Now the real season can start.
 
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I did get to see the game and Stojakovic deserves a clear A. He really wasn't the source of rebounding problems tonight, Deng got a few of his offensive boards on the break when the Kings weren't back, and Stojakovic stayed close to him and Nocioni on a number of possessions. Really good shooting night, a couple of missed shots were last second desperation shots with clock ticking off and zero TOs in 43 minutes - deserves an A.
 
I thought Peja also played very good defense tonight, something he's been doing fairly often this season. I wouldn't give him an A-, just because he is capable of being much more active on the boards than he was tonight.

Webber was horrible in the first half (did I hear some boo's when he made the last play of the half ? Either way, Webb made sure to keep them quiet with a 3 point play), but came out to play in the second.

Bibby was unstoppable on offense, but man...THAT DEFENSE STINKS !
 
Bibby (A) Shot well everywhere, except at the free throw line

Christe (B) Conducted the offense well, hooked up with that cutting Pedja play a few times

Pedja (A) He and Bibby were caring the scoring load tonight, also some nice defensive moments.

Webber (B-) Had a big game on the boards (on defense) which help the Kings in their run during the second. Made all his freethrows, but his midrange jumper is not working for him.

Brad (C+) His signiture elbow jumper was not going for him tonight, he got owned by Curry a few times in the paint.

Jackson (B) Started out cold but really picked it up in the second. He still seems to be struggling with his jumper but he made up for it by attacking the basket and finding open players.

Songalia (C) Nice little stint, i think he made his first elbow jumper of the year tonight. Still picking up too many careless fouls.

Ostertag (D) Still doesn't have his game legs. Came in and filled up the paint in his limited time.

Barnes (Inc) Came in a gave players a breather.

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Edit: dang.. too slow Brick beat me to them again... what happened to the delete thread button?
 
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sloter said:
I did get to see the game and Stojakovic deserves a clear A. He really wasn't the source of rebounding problems tonight, Deng got a few of his offensive boards on the break when the Kings weren't back, and Stojakovic stayed close to him and Nocioni on a number of possessions. Really good shooting night, a couple of missed shots were last second desperation shots with clock ticking off and zero TOs in 43 minutes - deserves an A.
I disagree...I don't think this was a "top notch" Stojakovic. He was really good, but he's capable of better.
 
Probably fair grades but if I actualy tried to do my own I would jsut feel guilty for grading palyers and not students... Oh well good game, not great but good.
BTW you were too hard on Darius.
 
I don't think those were boos, more like the sounds of "oh no..." Some of his plays on offense were ridicilous.
 
Stojakovic said:
I disagree...I don't think this was a "top notch" Stojakovic. He was really good, but he's capable of better.
We both know he's capable of playing better; but I haven't seen him play better since Webber's return.
 
Did we have to wait an extraordinarily long time for this tonight (Grades), or did I just want to talk about the game real bad!!

Tonight's win should be a gimme considering the level of play of Bulls & Kings just this season alone. But we needed this win tonight, to seal the deal on the chemistry issues and begin a momentum during the relatively easy home stretch.

I saw Web go inside way more tonight than any other night. Songalia impresses as a true commodity underneath the basket. Miller never ceases to amaze me how he puts his body on the line so easily! Peja shooting, ahhhhhh....what a relief. Bibby is staying consistant on the good shooting games, good thing to get into early in the season. Bobby getting his legs back was/is an important part of getting this team back together, imo.

Not to mention now being .500, whew...
 
I'd actually give Tag a C because he made two nice bounce passes to cutters that no one mentioned on TV. Looks like he might be able to pass a bit which would be a huge plus when he gets his sea legs going.
 
Stojakovic said:
Bibby was unstoppable on offense, but man...THAT DEFENSE STINKS !
I was thinking the same thing tonight, I noticed that Bibby just gives up when the shooter jumps to shoot. I heard Doug explain tonight (KHTK pre-game) that "every little thing" is important on defense, such as getting a hand in the view of the shooter even the slightest little bit. I don't see Bibby following thru on defense, but Doug...did you see him try to block a pass by kicking up his leg? LMAO!!!
 
Agree with the grades....



At the end of the 1st half when Webb went 1 on 1 with Antonio Davis... I thought that was the ugliest 1 on 1 play I think Ive seen...lol I thought.........Webb NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..... Oh you got lucky!!!!:p


Was nice to see Tag get rejected by Davis I believe in the first quarter. I thought I was looking at Vlade for a second..lol;)
 
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sloter said:
We both know he's capable of playing better; but I haven't seen him play better since Webber's return.
Yes, we all know Peja's slow start shooting wise this season can't have anything to do with the fact that he didn't practice over the summer or the fact that he doesn't spend that extra time shooting that he used to because of the new family.
 
Bricklayer said:
Peja ( A- ) -- one of our two offensive weapons for most of the night. Never as hot as Bibby, but at this point I think its fair to say that's he's pretty much out of his shooting slump. Hit a couple of big threes down the stretch to ice the game. Played an active game as well, in particular in the first half. Began to lose control of Luol Deng as the game wore on. One area where he is still in a lifelong slump however is with rebounding. We were getting pummeled on the glass again, in particular in the first half, and Peja was nowhere to be found. Unless I'm mistaken Mike Bibby is now outrebounding him on the season. :eek: Called this an "A-" even though I felt like it was more of a "B+" just based on his late streak and the raw number of points he scored (and efficiently).
Sometimes I think that the number of rebounds is a deceiving stat for someone's "board work". The Kings problem is usually that every player is going for the ball, and no one boxes out their man. This is a horrible strategy for a team as "low to the ground" as us. A lot of times, if you put a body on your man, you won't get the rebound, but you prevent your man from getting it, and then it gives a chance for a guard to come in and grab the easy board. My questoin is ... how many times has it been Peja's man who comes in for the O-board? Perhaps his numbers are a little misleading if he is boxing out his man. Has anyone been paying really close attention to this? I haven't. I'm just curious if Peja is at least doing a good job preventing his man from getting the board.
 
Bottom line for me - regarding Peja's "board work" - is that he needs to grab more than four rebounds a game. He's almost seven feet tall, for crying out loud.

Peja is a pretty fundamental player on the boards and on defense; it's possible that he is boxing his man out instead of chasing rebounds, and if so, I'd be proud of him for that. It would show that he's conscious of the need to work on his rebounding. But bottom line is, when we're getting beat up on the glass (52-40 last night), we need some rebounding from our big players. I'm not expecting Peja to come out and average a double-double (though he shows at times that he's a very capable rebounder; had 12 or 13 boards a few times last season). I'd just like to see him average 7 or 8 boards a game, and definitely to outrebound Mike F. Bibby on a regular basis.

On a night like last night, when we're getting worked on the boards, only four rebounds from our 6'10" small forward who played 43 minutes is unacceptable.
 
keflanag said:
Sometimes I think that the number of rebounds is a deceiving stat for someone's "board work". The Kings problem is usually that every player is going for the ball, and no one boxes out their man. This is a horrible strategy for a team as "low to the ground" as us. A lot of times, if you put a body on your man, you won't get the rebound, but you prevent your man from getting it, and then it gives a chance for a guard to come in and grab the easy board. My questoin is ... how many times has it been Peja's man who comes in for the O-board? Perhaps his numbers are a little misleading if he is boxing out his man. Has anyone been paying really close attention to this? I haven't. I'm just curious if Peja is at least doing a good job preventing his man from getting the board.
Luol Deng had as many offensive rebounds in 31min as Peja had defensive boards in 43.

Peja rarely boxes anybody out. And just compunds it this year by only sporadically deciding its worth the effort to get back and help clear our defensive glass. Actually as often as not he will be running AWAY from the glass trying to sprint out on the break while the other guys do the peon labor of boardwork. And of course that's all the more annoying becuase he is a BIG guy for a SF. He's basically as tall as Webb, and well built too. No skinny little rail is he.

You certainly can't blame all of our rebounding woes on Peja -- even if he dooubled his numbers from last night and grabbed a very respectable (for a SF) 8 rebs, we still get beat on the boards. But he is making the problem much much worse than it has to be. Webb and Brad have been on and off on the glass, bt overall between them they are still grabbing over 19rebs a game. That should be enough from your starting big men -- was as much as we ever got out of Webb and Vlade. But right now they have absolutely nothign coming from the rest of the team. There is no third rebounder. Peja and Mike Bbby, our relatively unathletic PG, are tied for third on the team at 4.1rebs/gm. Matt Barnes averages as many boards as Peja does in less than half the time. Peja's per/48 mn rebounding numbers right now place him 278th in the league -- and that's from what should be our #3 rebounder.
 
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