[Grades] Grades v. Blazers 12/27/11

What stinks worse?

  • Rotten cabbage

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Dog doo doo

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Uncle Bernie's halitosis

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • That gas station bathroom with the out of order sign

    Votes: 7 16.3%
  • Our offense tonight

    Votes: 33 76.7%

  • Total voters
    43
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
Well...you run into a team with 75% of its rotation known as defensive players (Camby, Wallace, Matthews, Felton, Batum, Thomas) I suppose this can happen, but still...we pretty much sucked. Maybe we played last night an spent too much passion on just one game vs. the Lakers...but the Blazers played last night too. Maybe this is an early and troubling sign of the classic young team plays good at home, bad on the road syndrome. Whatever it was..we sucked.

So, who's with me for some Pretty Girls, Holiday Edition?

Salmons ( F ) -- this is one of 2 Fs handed out tonight as Johns was simply overwhelmed from the very beginning of this one. See, there's a little secret here: John Salmons is a guard. Oh, we like to play him at SF and he's swapped between the two spots over his career. But he's a guard. He's 6'6"-6'7" 210lbs. That's a guard. Gerald Wallace is not a guard. Aside from LeBron he's as strong and athletic as any SF in the league, and from the very beginning of this one Salmons was having major probelms containing that power and athleticism, and was racking up fouls at a record pace. With his minutes so chopped up, and constantly having to deal with Wallace, he never had any shot at all at establishing any offense back the other way. Meawhile Gerald, the gift/mistake who juxt keeps on giving for Kings fans, dominated the game on his way to 25pts on 8-11shooting 8rebs and 5ast. John? 2pts 2rebs and 5TOs. And an F.

Missy Peregrym

Hayes ( C+ ) -- had his physical dirtworker moments, in the early going in particular, but most of the moments were on the glass, not defense, and whatever impact he had faded as the game went along. And on the other side of the ledger he found out that leverage/being immovable is great...unless your 5-6 inches taller opponent just turns and shoots right over you. Meanwhile as our offense fell further and further apart, Chuck's lack of it became a luxury we could seemingly ill afford. Scrapped on the defensive glass, but had a number of flubs that I suppose would be his verion of the malaise effecting the whole team. On one defensive possession actually ended up picking his own man (Tyreke) up top letting Felton slash into the lane. On the final defensive possession of the half fouled Aldridge unnecessarily with half a second to go in the half trying to fight for rebounding positon. Threw in another of his seemingly randomly timed one on one fugly exhibitions, which he should probably stop. But the biggest problem was simply that he was too small to stop Aldridge in the post all night long. Without trying to keep alive a moot issue, I will just note that last year Daly dominated his matchup with Aldridge precisely because he was tall/long enough to challenge every Aldridge shot. Tonight our forwards were no longer 6'11"/6'11" as they were at times last year. They were 6'6"/6'6" and the Blazers forwards just played over them.

Laura Ramsey

Cousins ( B ) -- sloppy night, but probably the best thing we had going, and certainly the only guy to threaten at any point to elevate us out of the doldrums. Hence probably gets half a grade more than he might otherwise. Was very active, with both the good and the bad, from the very beginning of the game. Was mixing in some impressive spinning post moves, scrappy rebounding making use of his great hands and was even getting those hands on a number of balls inside on defense. On the other hand took too many jumpers, none of which he hit, had a number of his shots sent back in his face by Camby, and was still committing too many loose unnnecessary fouls and turnovers. Remained one of the few players who did not look tired out there though until late, and drew several charges in the middle 4th as with no shtoblocking that's our idea of interior defense. Was about the only Kings player who was an impact player in this one, buit this was still a very young effort full of young mistakes.

Reka Ebergenyi -- if you're ever in Hungary...

Thornton ( D+ ) -- looked uncomfortable from the start with the Blazers D, and nothing more than just a couple of awkward flip attempts in the early going. No legs on the long bombs even when set up well, and there wasn't much of that reckless physicality to his game. Just used up all hsi mojo in the first game. Struggled to a bit of life in the 4th, but you could feel just how much a force that was. You could practically hear him muttering "I think I can, I think I can" as he chugged along forcing up shots because he knew he had to rather than because they felt good. Just no rhythm to it at all, and yet if we had any hope late in the game it was going to come from sloppy, inefficient Cousins and clearly tired forcing Marcus. Was not nearly enough obviously.

Kristanna Loken
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Evans ( F ) -- there was a brief moment in the first quarter when this might have been heading somewhere else but an F. Reke never looked strong, but early on he got out on the break a few times for spectacular finishes that you hoped might get him going. But no dice. Many of our guys just looked shot tonight, and no one more than Reke. He just did not have it. It should be noted that Portland, a team constructed almost the opposite of the Kings of course with a whole team full of good defenders, were playing very good defense and, making everybody uncomfortable. But with Reke it was more than that. There was just nothing obvious for him to do, and so he just didn't do anything. It was much closer to the tentative play of those first couple of preseason games. The turnovers that weren't there in game 1 were back for game 2. The legs didn't look there on either his drives or jumpers after the early going, and perhaps typically of a tired player, the improved form on his jumper he flashed in game 1 seemed to have reverted for this one. And so he backed off so entirely as to not matter at all. The mature thing to do of course. But there is some danger to the democratic system we are trying to install when one of your star players can just do that and be doing the right thing. One of the great values of star players is precisely in these situations you want them to start attacking, even if its ugly even if they don't have it, just attack and see if you can get something going. Reke looked tired, he's under orders to move the ball if he doesn't have anything. So he just brought it down, looked around at a defense that seemed to have 6 guys out there, and passively passed it off to the nearest King without ever creating anything. I could have maybe gone with a D- here because he was again playing pretty good defense again (tendency to get caught on screens aside), and his man didn't do much more than he did. But this is Tyreke Evans we are talking about, and 4pts 2rebs 3ast and 5TO is about as bad as it can ever get for him. As an aside, any system (not that watching you would have known we had one) which allows or even encourages a player of Evans' caliber to put up a stat line like that while the team is scoring 79 points on the night needs to reevaluated.

Mayra Leal -- spotted in shall we say a memorable bit role at the beginning of Machette.

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Bench

Fredette ( C ) -- immediately hit a jumper from Reke to start the game. Unfortunately that was about the last time he ever looked truly comfrotable out there, and this performance was only good in comparison to the other guards who were struggling even worse. Struggled on offense after the initial hit, looking scruffy and uncomfortable, unable to hit his threes and struggling to create his own shot. The good news was he hit a couple of long desperation jumpers at really tough angles over the top of longer players that were impressive. The bad news was that after that first shot from Reke, those were pretty much the only way he could score. Seemed mixed up about when to shoot and when to pass and kept running into traps and traffic while passing up better looks around the perimeter. Had a few defensive misadventures in the first half, but the real notable problems on that side took place in the late 3rd when Westphal did the Westphal, once again throwiing the two miniature rooks out there together as a backcourt looking for spark. Well, that was ok, until Nate McMillan inserted 6'8" Nicholas Batum forcing Jimmer to have to guard a player entirely out of his size/weight class. There was no hope, and the Blazers being a smart veteran team went to the matchup again and again and pounded us with it. The limitations of Jimmer playing at the SG were fully exposed. I looked at C- here, but stuck with the flat C because what happened against Batum was really Westphal's fault as much as Jimmer's.

Sasha Jackson

Hickson ( B ) -- came in hustling this time and gave us a boost, in the first half in particular. Used his athleticism around the offensive glass for some strong follows and his athletic takes helped us after the Blazers took away our offense. Had to be watched for a tendency to want to step outside for some long (and I do mean long 20 foot type) jumpers that don't seem to go with the rest of his game and are entirely unnecessary. Less effective after half, as was virtually everybody.

Elizabeth Mathis -- apparently starred with Sasha (above) in something or the other, so I decided, why not, let's put them both up.

Outlaw ( C- ) -- at least this time in as a SF to match Wallace rather than as a smallball PF. Of course Wallace is as forceful as many PFs, but Outlaw provided a much better athletic match for him than did Salmons. And on this night he gave us some rebounding that was lacking against the Lakers. But he couldn't hit a shot, from anywhere, with all his points coming from the line when he was fouled shooting a three in the mid third. Highlight was proably breaking up a fullcourt lob at the end of the 3rd and winning the subsequent jump ball vs. Wallace. Our two SFs combined for 4pts on 1-8 shooting tonight while Wallace ran rampant.

Tawnee Welch -- Raquel's daughter from back in the day. Inherited the face but not the curves.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#3
Thompson ( B ) -- much better effort this time, coming in and makin an impact hitting perimeter shots. Forced a jump ball on defense although still reacting curiously slow on the glass. Very aggressive in the first half. Not effective in his second stint in the 4th.

Claire Coffee

Thomas ( D+ ) -- in for the first time just before half, got selfish and forced a dumb drive in amongst the tree, which is something we've seen him do repeatedly in the preseason and first couple of games. Must have worked in college I guess In the NBA, against an opposing frontline going 6'11'/6'11"/6'8" (curious how the good teams often opt for height), not so much. Was back in in the third to try to give us a spark, but he and Fredette together were just too small on defense and Thomas's frenetic attemtps to score came across as more playground than impactful. And again misplayed an end of the quarter situation, forcing a one on one move amongst the trees one more time. Drew two offensive charges in the early 4th as just about the only thing going well for us by that time to get a little grade. Needs some taming, but is Westphal the guy to do it? Maybe BJax can talk to him.

Han Chae Young
 
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#5
why does westhpal keep jimmer after he gets beat time after time platoon did whatever he wanted to him he should have switchd that a long time ago one of the assistant coaches neeeds to slap all the kings players n tell them to wake up and hustle harder
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
#6
Cousins, Hayes, and JT (in his limited minutes) were alright.

Westphail AKA Westphool AKA Worstphal ..... Dude makes me pine for the glory days of Muss. Dude makes Kenny Natt look like Jerry Sloan....Hey, speaking of Sloan, wonder if he wants work?

We are a young team, on the road, going up against a good, playoff caliber squad but still... The rotations were awful, players were being misused (Reke), forgotten (JT) and overplayed (Our two rookie guards). Is it too early to start the "Fire Westphal" thread?
 
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#9
Cousins, Hayes, and JT (in his limited minutes) were alright.

Westphail AKA Westphool AKA Worstphal ..... Dude makes me pine for the glory days of Muss. Dude makes Kenny Natt look like Jerry Sloan....Hey, speaking of Sloan, wonder if he wants work?

We are a young team, on the road, going up against a good, playoff caliber squad but still... The rotations were awful, players were being misused (Reke), forgotten (JT) and overplayed (Our two rookie guards). Is it too early to start the "Fire Westphal" thread?
No...he retired for good. The only time we'll see him on the sidelines is watching classic Jazz games on NBA TV or something.
 
#11
No...he retired for good. The only time we'll see him on the sidelines is watching classic Jazz games on NBA TV or something.
Do you have a source for this?

Because since the day he made his announcement to leave the Jazz, I've felt he's one of the only chances the Kings have at hiring a coach that could make this team come together to be a serious, competitive team.

That would be Really Bad if he truly has retired....
 
#12
Cousins, Hayes, and JT (in his limited minutes) were alright.

Westphail AKA Westphool AKA Worstphal ..... Dude makes me pine for the glory days of Muss. Dude makes Kenny Natt look like Jerry Sloan....Hey, speaking of Sloan, wonder if he wants work?

We are a young team, on the road, going up against a good, playoff caliber squad but still... The rotations were awful, players were being misused (Reke), forgotten (JT) and overplayed (Our two rookie guards). Is it too early to start the "Fire Westphal" thread?
Well said.

I've honestly never liked Westphal's rotations and I even pointed it out the last game when they won. It's no secret these past two seasons he's always experimented with starting lineups, rotations, minutes, and matchups. He has one season on his contract, you think he would tighten the rotation and go with his main, proven guys and not give the rookies heavy minutes in order to win games.
 
#14
Cousins, Hayes, and JT (in his limited minutes) were alright.

Westphail AKA Westphool AKA Worstphal ..... Dude makes me pine for the glory days of Muss. Dude makes Kenny Natt look like Jerry Sloan....Hey, speaking of Sloan, wonder if he wants work?

We are a young team, on the road, going up against a good, playoff caliber squad but still... The rotations were awful, players were being misused (Reke), forgotten (JT) and overplayed (Our two rookie guards). Is it too early to start the "Fire Westphal" thread?
How about we ease into it with a 'who's available' thread?
 

Krunker

Northernmost Kings Fan
#15
I think since there are so many new guys on the team that Westphal can't stop himself from experimenting with the lineups.
 
#17
I think since there are so many new guys on the team that Westphal can't stop himself from experimenting with the lineups.
He did it last year too and it nearly ripped this team apart. Thank goodness Westphal is a basketball coach and not a nuclear physicist. We'd all be toast! ;)
 
#18
Salmons F can't guard, can't score, can't pass.........why are we paying him and garcia a combined 15 million? That could Wallace or any other GOOOOD SF?
Salmons F
Outlaw D

SF position every single ************* night FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we are letting small forwards kill us nightly, why can't we see that salmons/outlaw is not good?
 
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#19
Salmons F can't guard, can't score, can't pass.........why are we paying him and garcia a combined 15 million? That could Wallace or any other GOOOOD SF?
Salmons F
Outlaw D

SF position every single motherflucking night FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we are letting small forwards kill us nightly, why can't we see that salmons/outlaw is not good?
salmons did a good job against kobe yesterday, Wallace is just a terrible matchup for him, he'll do better on Thursday against Deng.
 
#20
salmons guarding kobe

is a matter of opinion

when you really look at it salmons would take EXTRA STEPS when TRYING to guard kobe. When kobe would take two steps left salmons would OVERRUN and take 4-5 steps, do you understand?

Salmons did not keep up with kobe!

The rest of the team played good defense on kobe, salmons UNFORTUNATELY did not!

Salmons has not had any positive impact AT ALL
 
#21
If he does have a good game against Deng is that all we'll expect from him is to have a good game out of three????

metta whirl peas destroyed salmons, kobe blew by him
Wallace did anything he wanted against salmons, including making him sit with foul trouble
now your saying deng he'll do good? Where do you get that idea from?

Lakers salmons F
Portland Salmons <F
Chicago NOT F?
 
#22
Plenty of bad grades to go around especially when the bench out scores the starting five. Don't know what happened with the long ball we were only three for 16.
 
#23
Is it just me or does Tyreke lead the league in number of times getting caught in a screen? I don't know if it's because he's a bigger player and can't move around the screen fast enough, or the team not telling him that there's a screen, but he just seems incapable of actually fighting through/beating a screen properly
 
#24
Just finished watching the game on league pass... strange game; started off hot; Cousins looked great early on, then we stopped giving him the ball. Tyreke sat for very very long stretch which seemed odd.

Jimmer is clearly worried about shooting; in two games he's passed up a lot of shots, a lot. He's hesitant when goes inside as well. As a rookie he's probably just thinking "these guys are senior to me, they need to shoot it" Needs to stop worrying about that IMO.

the offense was stagnant for almost the whole game was just 1 on 1 or a high screen and drive, there was nothing else to speak of.
 
#25
Jimmer's game tonight was weird. There was a period of time where he passed up 3-4 shots in the halfcourt. They were all better shots than what the team eventually ended up with. Then, as if realizing he wasn't playing his game, he runs the ball up court and jacks up an airball three.
 
#26
You can tell he's thinking "im not the man anymore; i need to pass" We know he can shoot, he can shoot at this level, he did in pre season (yeah i know, but he did) his dribble drives are hesitant too, as if he's thinking "i shouldn't be doing this."

If he's going to get big minutes like he did tonight, then he flat out needs to take his shots, if they miss so be it, but take the damn shot!

and if you're not going to take the shot, pass to someone other than Outlaw.
 
#27
Two of my biggesf issues were free throws and fast break points. Our guards did a horrible job of getting back. Another thing I notice was our bigs not getting back also. Portland would pull down a rebound and our bigs would sit there swippng at the ball looking for a steal. This has never made sense to me because once a 7' with 260 lbs of muscle has the ball in his hands it aint coming out.

As far as PW is concerned, I think by the 2nd half he was just trying to find something that worked. Wallace killed us. No doubt. Unfortunately we, like most teams have no answers for him. Salmons is by far our best option. Oulaw is to slow, Garcia is to small and even less athletic and Greene is a 4 or 5 year vet who offers nothing more than a cheedleader for this team.

Most of our players have a score first mentality and have a lot of confidence. This good and bad. However when the leads start slipping they all want to be the savior. In my opinion thorton is greatest scoring threat. Cousins needs to stay on the block. Tyreke is a horrible shooter. Jimmer needs get more confidence. I think this team should run pick and rolls/pops with coisins and thorton/jimmer. Im not sold on Tyreke unlesa he improves outside shot which i think will never. But thats for another thread.
 
#29
Just finished watching the game on league pass... strange game; started off hot; Cousins looked great early on, then we stopped giving him the ball. Tyreke sat for very very long stretch which seemed odd.

Jimmer is clearly worried about shooting; in two games he's passed up a lot of shots, a lot. He's hesitant when goes inside as well. As a rookie he's probably just thinking "these guys are senior to me, they need to shoot it" Needs to stop worrying about that IMO. the offense was stagnant for almost the whole game was just 1 on 1 or a high screen and drive, there was nothing else to speak of.


One of his best qualities in my book. Hope he doesn't lose it. Not many threes because our guys were guarded and our guys had the idea they could score anytime so I'll skip right now or I'll force a bad shot now.

Tyreke, Marcus and Salmons all need to play a helluva lot better than they did last night. The formula is simple - play better, play some or a lot of team ball. No such thing last night even though Fredette and Thomas tried.